Revisiting the nine themes to watch during Tigers' spring training
In February, I posted my nine themes to watch this spring training. With less than two weeks before the season opens, we should probably look back at those a bit, hey?
Back then, I wondered how the rookies would look, how the health of several players would turn out and just who would be in the rotation, the lineup and left field.
Fortunately, we know quite a bit more now. With Dontrelle Willis pitching well, Austin Jackson looking like he'll be the exciting leadoff batter many predicted, and the addition of Johnny Damon bringing a fun, swaggery vibe, things look a lot better in Tigertown than they did just five weeks ago.
So let's revisit the themes!
1. Meeting Austin Jackson
While I cautioned we shouldn't look at spring training statistics too closely with Jackson, I thought it was a good idea for him to get off on the right foot in his Tigers career. And he did in a big way.
Even before going 3-for-4 on Tuesday, he had an on-base percentage of .420 with a double, three triples and a home run in his 15 at-bats. He's also shown good instincts on the basepaths and in the field, cut down on strikeouts and walked a bit more. All around, Jackson has done all you could hope he would.
2. Finding a fifth starter
With Jeremy Bonderman's "fourth starter" -- this is not actual position in the rotation, this is the ranking of pitcher by abilities when I say that -- supposedly locked up, five or six pitchers were competing for one rotation spot.
Now it appears Nate Robertson has the position all but sewn up, but Bonderman's place in the rotation may be in peril. We've also learned Dontrelle Willis is pitching around the plate more than ever in his Tigers' career. Phil Coke and Eddie Bonine have returned to possible roles in the bullpen. The coverboy of last edition of the themes, Armando Galarraga, did nothing to earn his stay in big league camp.
Yet, we still don't know for sure who the final two starting pitchers on the roster are. I think all three starting candidates will be around come opening day, but I'm not sure who will be where yet. So stay tuned!
3. Sizing up Scott Sizemore
He fields better than expected. He seems to be getting healthier, as well. The batting has suffered a bit thus far. And you'd always like to see him have a little more success before the season opens, but I don't think batting is really something we have to fear with Sizemore.
4. Sorting out the left-handed relievers
"There is no such thing as having too many pitchers" was proven correct again. Unfortunately, things sorted out a bit when Bobby Seay was lost to an unknown (or undisclosed, at this point anyway) injury. It now looks like Coke and Fu-Te Ni will be the for-sure left-handers. Daniel Schlereth just needs to continue to work on some stuff in the minors, and fortunately there is no pressure to bring him up too soon. If Detroit wants to go three deep, Brad Thomas is a safe option.
5. Joel Zumaya's "last string"
He's been hittable thus far this spring. He's gone a bit missing as of late, with the last appearance a short one March 14. Zumaya has logged just 4-2/3 innings of Grapefruit League action, though he's pitched in simulated games and such. While it is true Zumaya is working on his curveball, to give a little more to his arsenal than just a 100 mph fastball, the Tigers were said to be "concerned" earlier in camp. Jim Leyland said that everything about the way Zumaya is throwing the ball seems to be the same, but the team was checking video to see if he was tipping his pitches in some way.
I don't know about "last string" but Zumaya's spring and the team's reaction to it isn't real confidence building.
6. Sorting out the lineup
Jackson has shown nothing this spring to indicate Leyland's hunch in using him as a leadoff batter was a bad one. The rest was sorted out when the Tigers signed left-handed batter Johnny Damon late in February. With those two at the top, and the Venezuelans batting 3-4-5, the top of the order seems decent enough. Magglio Ordonez, Miguel Cabrera and the switch-hitting Carlos Guillen fit in there. The bottom of the order is just as ugly as before, but at least it's sorted out.
Of course, Leyland won't use the opening day order all that much, but at least it's come together.
7. The 25th Man
The 25th-man battle is kind of boring overall . There will be no surprises. Don Kelly appeared to be the best bet entering camp, and as I recently wrote, it still appears as if he has earned the spot. He is the logical choice to give the roster the most flexibility. He can help both in the infield and possibly as a defensive replacement.
8. Finding a left fielder?
Again, the signing of Johnny Damon helped answer this question. It also helped the manager save a bit of face, after he promised Guillen a position in the field last October. Guillen has gotten his time in the outfield this spring, too, though. He seemed to be playing there just fine, too. So maybe the worry of his inability to play in the field was a bit overblown.
9. Intangibles
Here are the one I suggested could come into play:
There's a lot of little things. Inge's knees, for instance. He had surgery on both of them this offseason. How will that affect him in the field and at the plate?
What about Miguel Cabrera's battle against alcohol? It sounds like he made all the right decisions during the offseason, but he might be entering a new phase as he is back with his team, playing baseball.
What do we know about those storylines? Inge's knees are doing better, but they're not 100 percent yet. Cabrera has seemingly put the alcohol question to bed. Hopefully he can continue to do so.
The Tigers feel like a different team now than they were entering camp. With the confident start of Jackson and the easygoing swagger of Damon, the team seems to have transformed into one that promises to be fun to follow this season as it definitely contends for the AL Central title.
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If Zumaya continues to be terrible,
it would be best to option him to Toledo. I’ve heard that mentioned around here before too. Bonine or the rotation loser can keep his spot warm.
Somewhere on the list should be: Who sets up for Valverde?
There’s no question that the Tigers have a bevy of talented young pitchers in their bullpen, and in the pipeline. Several may project to be closers of the future on a major league roster. But this is 2010, and we need a few, okay two, good men to step up and set up our current closer. Entering spring training, the Tigers were counting on Zumaya, just as they have done, at their own peril, every season since 2006. Burn me once…..
In the mix for that second set up job would be Ryan Perry, who’s got talent, but needs to lower that 1.50 WHIP ratio that he posted in 2009- meaning he needs to cut his BB rate about in half. Dan Schlereth is still too rough around the edges, though there is clearly talent there. Bobby Seay was part LOOGY, part set up man- but he was battling a shoulder injury in the second half last year- one that didn’t stop the Tigers from giving him $ 2.5 million on the eve of arbitration numbers being exchanged. That’s four options that won’t work as of today.
Fu Te Ni and Phil Coke are two lefties who were mainly LOOGY’s in 2009, but they’ve looked effective enough that one of them may move into a set up role. Ni led the league in stranding RISP, although in only 35 IP. Coke led the Yankees in appearances and posted a 1.07 WHIP. He faced more lefties than righties, but he faced enough righties to give us cause for optimism that he can handle a bigger role. If he’d be considered a starter, why not a set up man? Another lefty with late inning experience, albeit in Korea, is Brad Thomas, who was a closer last season. He’s looked decent this spring, throwing one bad inning and several good ones.
This is a bullpen that led the league in walks,despite the reputation of Knappster as an anti walk coach. It’s a bullpen that was second in the league in blown saves, with 24- those are games that were in the bag, but got away. That’s despite Rodney going 37 of 38 in save opportunities. It’s an area that needed improvement, and started the winter by losing Lyon and Rodney. While nobody will duplicate Rodney’s save pct, and Rodney wouldn’t have, either, Valverde has to be considered an upgrade in the closer role. For a full season, I’d be optimistic that Coke can be at least as effective as Lyon. That’s just getting back to square one, before any improvement is contemplated.
The Tiger pen was noticably better in the second half of ‘09. The difference? Lyon got better in the set up role, while Nate Robertson and Joel Zumaya went on the DL. Will Zumaya be able to get his stuff back and grab a set up role? If he does, can he keep it? Will the Tigers use Zach Miner’s injury to put him on the DL, then give him a lengthy “rehab assignment” all designed to give DD more time to postpone the inevitable decision to release Willis? Will we see another failed starter in the bullpen ? Burn me once…..
Perry looks like a promising option, but
he needs to dramatically cut down on the base runners. A 1.50 WHIP in the late innings doesn’t cut it.
I think it will come
he looks more promising than some of the others
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by Detroitchik on Mar 24, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
What I'd do for set up men...
Coke gets one spot. If Zumaya sorts himself out, he gets the other. If not, I’d send him down to Toledo, activate Weinhardt (who replaces Willis on the roster) and give Perry a shot at setting up. If he doesn’t improve his command enough, try Robbie.
He was 22
And still posted an ERA+ of 122.
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by David Tokarz on Mar 24, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Bondo to the bullpen and Zoom to the Hens?
both ideas are seeming more and more palatable to me. Having Nate and Willis in the rotation seems like a good idea, and Bondo can take the place vacated by Miner and his injury. Zoom can be recalled when he gets straightened out.
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by David Tokarz on Mar 24, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Ironically...
Zoom should be recalled when he’s less straight.
by SweetLouDoubleU on Mar 25, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
They'll be fun to watch
As a fan I’m excited about the kids, and I’m more concerned about veterans like Guillen, Inge, Robertson, and Bonderman. If the Tigers give us another title run, I’ll be satisfied.
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by StorminNormanCash on Mar 24, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
It's a shame Zumaya has zero trade value
otherwise I’d suggest swapping him. Unconditional release? That sounds fine.
He has three options left
He’d have to clear “revocable waivers”, but that’s never been a problem for any player.
I like the line-up and think we'll score enough runs
Burt right now I’m worried more about the pitching, mostly who’s going to eat those middle innings. Our bullpen is going to get a ton of work and that’s what scares me. I just don’t see our starting pitchers working deep into games. Nate Robertson was a 5 or 6 inning guy when he was at his best. Now we got Scherzer, who is probably a 5 or 6 inning guy. Then we have have Willis or Bonderman, which I don’t expect many 6+ innings starts from either. We’ll need Bonine and the other starter (Bonderman or Willis) to eat a bunch of innings from out of the pen. Hopefully Leyland doesn’t hurt himself making pitching changes.
Not only do we have a reasonable bullpen as it stands today
But the reinforcements from Toledo look to be awe-inspiringly badass. I’m so much more worried about the lineup and spots 4-5 in the rotation.
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by David Tokarz on Mar 24, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm talking more about quantity of innings that the pen will need to throw.
Besides Verlander, do you see anyone throwing 200+ innings?
You do make a very good point about our guys in Toledo. When our pen does get over-worked, we’ll just call-up the reinforcements from Toledo. I can see those 6th and 7th bullpen spots being juggled all season long with Toledo based on the teams current needs.
I see close
I think we can get 150+ out of Porcello and Scherzer (unless they get injured, and if that happens, we’re boned anyways). I also think that DD and David Chadd have collected a shitload of really good pen arms that can do some really good work. So I have faith in the bullpen. Not much else, but the bullpen will be ok.
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by David Tokarz on Mar 24, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Al Kaline is worried about the bullpen
That’s what he just said on TV.
I’ll have agree with the HOF’er. He probably knows baseball and the Tigers better than anyone here.
Joe Morgan is a hall of famer too ...
by Kurt Mensching on Mar 25, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha
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by Detroitchik on Mar 25, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on all this
I’m seeing 72-90 or 90-72, either. But nothing in between. We’ll either wind up pretty good or pretty bad.
State of the team
As mentioned, the starting rotation has time in to at least the first 25 games in to the season to get straightened out. And to all of you, I say Willis deserves his shot in the rotation. Some are still looking for him to fall, but he has at least “earned” to be in the starting rotation. Rayburn is the 24th man because he’s already proven, and he’s having an excellent spring.
Don Kelly makes the 25th man due to default. He is out of options. He either makes the 25 man roster or he’s a free agent. But, he is also had a decent spring. Thats too bad for Clete & Jeff who are hitting the cover off the ball with decent defense. Like all the rest of you I agree Zoom Zoom goes to AAA to get his head and pitching motion together. Not so sure Zoom Zoom is going to make it. He seems to have lost his touch with all the injuries he’s had. As of today, Bondo goes to the pen for long relief. Thats not a bad thing. Im sure he wants to start but, may be just as happy pitching back in the majors.
The starting rotation will work itself out based on real live MLB. And, as desmond pointed out we certainly have MLB ready made talent in our AAA team. By the way, its been quite some time (Early 80’s) since I’ve seen this much talent in Ohio. Ooops, forgot setup man. I think we are going to go withe Perry/Thomas for a while to see who can handle that position. Yes, BYB associates, I believe we could have an exciting team. But we need to main factors like every other team. Health, and pitching, pitching, pitching. If the 5 starters who standing out now become our starters, I’d put our rotation up against almost anyone except Cincy/Phili they may be as good or better. PLAY BALL!!!!!
People have been saying for years . . .
. . . that Bonderman was better suited to being a reliever, with his limited pitch selection.
That's actually a really good point.
Plus, if he’s in the pen, he’ll never have to pitch the first inning of a ballgame, which should lower his ERA by quite a bit. :)
by frisbeepilot on Mar 24, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not just the first inning of a ballgame,
even at the end of the year in the bullpen he had trouble with his first inning, therefore I would think the bullpen would be the worst option for the team. If Bondo doesn’t make the rotation, I think you either have to send him to Toledo to start and try to work things out or, and I hate this option because he’s one of my favorites, release him. And the way he’s pitching, he may be a $12M Mudhen to start the season.
by 77bestrookieclassever on Mar 25, 2010 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Will a Trade(s) still happen here?
The Miner and Seay injuries have really messed up any possible trade scenarios i.e a former excess of pitching the Tigers had to deal for more pop in the lineup. A lot currently rides on Laird and Inge giving them at least some hitting this year .Everett is who he is and I don’t understand their bringing him back. Dlugach would have done just fine and with more pop at the bat. Two rookies in the infield? Well Trammell and Whitaker were that once upon a time The White Sox pitching is equal to or better than the Tigers. Is the Tigers current batting order as good as the WS? Guess we will soon know
Our fifth starter
Jarrod Washburn is still unsigned. His knee has been repaired. He pitched great for Seattle the 1st half + The Tigers traded 2 pitchers for him- they ought to get something for such an investment. Maybe they ought to ask him back? Just a thought – I know probably a bad one. I’ll go get a ROLAIDS! LOL!
Not that bad
I’d prefer a different pitcher, but Washburn for $500K or $1M isn’t bad.
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by David Tokarz on Mar 24, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
what the hell are you smoking???
one season was enough
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by Detroitchik on Mar 24, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Our 5th starter
Well now I did say it was probably a bad thought to bring Washburn back. But thanks for clarifying there gang. Oh BTW I don’t smoke, but I’ll go take another ROLAIDS and perhaps some Ginkgo Biloba for my brain cells. LOL!

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