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Quantifying Catcher's Defense

[Update, 2:38 PM] - In an email with Lee, my memory was jogged that I didn't do two things: First, I forgot to thank Lee. He was a big help in this. He likes sabermetrics, I like sabermetrics and he's got a book about sabermetrics. Go buy it. Secondly, if you'd like to do the same kind of study -- and who wouldn't? -- basically this is what I did:

This is for 2010 and I got it from here. I get names, teams, league, innings from the Standard Fielding table. I use PA's for the catchers rather than IP since it's better (a catcher must be out there for a 10 PA inning, but it would only go down as 1 inning) and I can get that plus the Fielding Erros, Throwing Errors and Catching errors from the Advanced Fielding table. Then using the Baserunning table, I get passed balls/wild pitches, stolen bases and I use CSctch which is caught stealings from catchers only -- no pick offs from pitchers.

 

Defense in baseball is remaining a hot topic. There's just not enough information out there that is good enough to give us results that come close to the accuracy we have regarding offensive statistics in baseball. But it makes sense, given we've tracked offensive statistics for over 100 years and defense has been tracked for a fraction of that.

But under the defense umbrella is the toughest of which to quantify: catcher's defense. There are a couple different ways to do it. There's a With or Without You (WOWY) method by Tom Tango which is just as the name suggests: how does the defense fair with and without your talents. Dan Turkenkopf and Brian Cartwright have also done WOWY work with catcher's. Unfortunately I lack the necessary database skills (read: I possess zero database skills) to pull off a WOWY study.

Fortunately,  Matt Klaassen's laid out a method that is less intrusive and still yields decent results. This is the same method that Justin Inaz did for his in-house Wins Above Replacement calculations a couple years back before Fangraphs implemented them. I will be using the method that Matt used in October of last year. There are a couple of articles that uses a 'reputation runs' number as well. I'm not entirely comfortable with that idea. The theory behind it is it gives a catcher like Yadier Molina a boost because people don't even attempt to steal against him compared to someone like Josh Bard. I'm not sure how necessary that is.

Nonetheless, you can see that this isn't something new or even ground breaking. I've talked this out with Matt and got everything as close to his results as I can. So lets get to the results; who was the best defensive catcher in 2009?

Star-divide

Okay, so we're not quite to the results portion of this yet. Basically, I want to run down the method I used first. What I did was find the league average in the following categories: stolen bases allowed, caught stealings, wild pitches and passed balls allowed, catching and throwing errors. Each of these has a run value attached to it (using linear weights if you want to be nerdy). The actual formulas I use are the same as in the Matt Klaassen article I linked to earlier. Click over there to get them exactly if that's your cup of tea.

Once I have the league rates, I then compare each individual catcher to the league rates, convert to a runs total for each of the above categories. You then sum those and voila! You have a catchers runs saved (or allowed) above (or below) average.

So, without further ado, your top 25 catchers in 2009, sorted by highest runs saved total.

 

NAMETEAMLGINNPACSRnsWP/PBRnsFERnsTERnsTotalRns
Gerald Laird DET AL 1090.1 4842 11.0 0.8 0.3 1.5 13.7
Kenji Johjima SEA AL 580 2597 6.5 1.0 0.6 0.9 9.0
Ryan Hanigan CIN NL 670.1 2913 4.7 0.8 0.7 1.0 7.2
David Ross ATL NL 354.0 1517 4.8 1.7 0.3 0.3 7.1
Yadier Molina STL NL 1176.2 5045 3.2 2.8 0.4 0.7 7.0
Koyie Hill CHC NL 627.1 2755 5.4 0.4 0.6 0.0 6.4
Henry Blanco SDP NL 508.0 2278 2.9 1.3 0.5 1.2 5.9
Carlos Ruiz PHI NL 882.1 3887 -1.5 5.7 0.9 0.6 5.7
Joe Mauer MIN AL 939 4153 0.5 2.6 0.9 0.7 4.7
Rod Barajas TOR AL 974.1 4298 2.6 2.7 1.0 -1.6 4.6
Raul Chavez TOR AL 399 1818 3.6 0.6 0.4 0.0 4.6
Lou Marson CLE AL 175 817 2.3 1.4 0.2 -0.1 3.9
Brian Schneider NYM NL 437.1 1976 1.6 1.3 -0.3 1.0 3.6
Ramon Hernandez CIN NL 451.0 2069 0.6 1.8 0.5 0.6 3.5
Francisco Cervelli NYY AL 241.1 1024 2.0 0.9 0.2 0.0 3.2
Ivan Rodriguez TEX AL 962 4288 2.9 0.7 0.2 -0.7 3.1
Matt Wieters BAL AL 738.1 3384 -1.1 4.1 0.0 -0.2 2.8
Ronny Paulino FLA NL 582.1 2609 2.1 -0.3 0.6 0.4 2.7
Eliezer Alfonzo SDP NL 255.1 1128 2.2 0.3 -0.5 0.6 2.6
Omir Santos NYM NL 680.1 3092 -0.7 3.0 -0.8 1.1 2.6
Taylor Teagarden TEX AL 491.2 2180 3.1 1.0 -0.3 -1.3 2.6
Landon Powell OAK AL 274 1205 2.8 0.5 -0.5 -0.3 2.5
Chris Iannetta COL NL 763.2 3362 0.1 2.0 0.8 -0.7 2.2
Humberto Quintero HOU NL 427.0 1893 2.4 0.5 0.4 -1.4 1.9
Gregg Zaun BAL/TOR AL 643 2902 -1.3 4.4 -0.8 -0.4 1.8

 

Key for the non-obvious acronyms:

CSRns = Caught Stealing runs
WP/PBRns = Wild Pitch/Passed Ball's runs
FERns = Fielding Runs
TERns = Throwing Runs
TotalRns = Total Runs

Before we get into the Tigers aspect of this, I will say that I was relatively good in replicating Matt's numbers. Neither of us could figure out why, but I was anywhere from 0.0 to 0.5 runs off from his calculations. That margin of error isn't palatable, but isn't large enough to give me big cause for concern.

Now this leaderboard is really good news for us Detroit Tigers fans. Gerald Laird was surreal last year behind the plate defensively. The bulk of it, obviously, came on the back of his great 40% caught stealing rate. You can pile up runs saved with just your arm when you gun down 4 out of every 10 stolen bases attempts and you have the fifth most steals attempted against you in the major leagues (99 attempts). I don't know why people kept running on Laird -- maybe it was because they thought non-Justin Verlander pitchers were too slow to the plate -- but whatever the reason was: thank you opposing teams.

What does this mean? Well, it means that if you meander over to Fangraphs and take a look at Gerald Laird's Value section of his page, you will see he was worth 0.8 Wins Above Replacement. I still need to pen a Saber 101 piece about WAR (and will do so at some point), but that is essentially saying he was 0.8 wins better than any freely available talent in Triple-A.

Unfortunately, Fangraphs doesn't include any sort of defensive estimation for catchers. Why? I don't know. I calculated data for the Fangraphs WAR Era which is 2002-present day in about 2-3 hours of actual work -- most of that just copy and pasting from Baseball Reference. So I find it a bit inexcusable that they would leave out the bits that can be measured about catchers defense, but I digress.

When you look at Laird's minuscule 0.8 WAR, you add on another 1.37 wins to that. He was actually worth 2.17 WIns Above Replacement in 2009 before you get to base running (another downfall of the WAR calculations at Fangraphs; Laird was a positive base runner last year, as well).

Other people of note:

  • Like Joe Mauer needed more value added to him, you can tack on another 0.5 wins to his 2009 WAR total.
  • David Ross did a lot of damage in a small (relatively speaking) amount of innings defensively for the Braves.
  • Toronto featured some nice backstops last year in Rod Barajas and Raul Chavez (both 4.6 runs saved). And they had Greg Zaun, too, who combined between Baltimore and Toronto put up a positive number of runs saved.
  • The spread between the best (Laird) and the worst (Mike Napoli) is 23.1 runs. That is basically 2-wins worth of value between what the Tigers had starting behind the plate and what the Angels had.
  • Pudge Rodriguez has some defensive value, still.

There are caveats here, like with nearly any defensive measure. I don't think there's a way to quantify the impact a catcher can have in terms of game calling abilities. Also, the catcher's defensive abilities are somewhat tied to the pitcher. It's hard to throw people out if your pitcher takes the longest time to get the ball to home plate with a runner on. Kenny Rogers is also going keep a guy closer to the bag than, say, Jeremy Bonderman would. This doesn't happen really with any other position on the diamond. Additionally, the type of pitcher you're catching affects how good you are. Josh Bard spent a large chunk of time catching Tim Wakefield. This type of study can't/doesn't adjust for that. Keep in mind the catcher actually fields the ball so little relative to the other 7 defenders, that it's probably the most unstable position to get a defensive read on.

As with all defensive measure, the larger the sample, the better. One year is not enough to make conclusions on, and that's why I've collected 8 years worth of data. Gerald Laird is probably not going to save nearly 1.5 Wins worth of runs for the Tigers again -- there is great amounts of regression for a player year-to-year.

That said, something is better than nothing. I plan to have updates at the end of each month for defensive runs saved for catchers, and I have the data that goes back to 2002 like I said. My next post in this series will look at the best and the worst over the last 8 years behind the plate.

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This is great stuff

And as painful as it is to watch G$ bat lately, his defense really is amazing. Good piece, I’ll give it a rec as a learning young sabermetric fan

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by JoelZumayaKegStand on Apr 13, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

It would be wonderful if he could hit 9th

Alas, we have no SS.

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by David Tokarz on Apr 13, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I concur

Thank you very much for your work…this is a very good piece.

by loswr86 on Apr 13, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Good deal Mike

But you forgot to quantify how they “handle a pitching staff”

/sarcasm

by ChrisDTX on Apr 13, 2010 10:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Good work Mike. This is valuable information. The follow-up articles looking back to 2002 should be interesting too.

Lee

by LPanas on Apr 13, 2010 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Great Stuff Indeed....

….Id stil rather have Laird catching because hes much better defensivly and hes been hitting the ball well this year despit the low average….Avila is struggling big time with the bat so you have to give the Abs to Laird at this point….Gives us a better chance to win.

by BennieBladesFan on Apr 13, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Question

Can we evaluate Avila yet or do we not have enough data?

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by David Tokarz on Apr 13, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't have the spreadsheet in front of me

But I believe he’s something like -0.3 runs this year (incredibly small sample size) and in the limited time last year, I want to say he was about average. I’ll know for certain sometime tonight. Too lazy to jump on the PC.

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 13, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's way too early to look at this

But I had Avila at +0.3 runs defensively in 2009. As of Monday, -0.3 in 2010.

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 14, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Avila

I think you need at least a year of data before you can evaluate Avila. SB, PB, WP and catcher errors don’t happen that often so you really need a lot of games before the data becomes stable.

Lee

by LPanas on Apr 13, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe Fangraphs is going to add catcher defense and baserunning at some point

Dave had mentioned that on Tango’s blog during the off season. They just added additional fielding metrics, and that is another step in the right direction (though, my subscription to Bill James Online is less useful now).

by Scottwood on Apr 13, 2010 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe that they will be.

In discussions with someone who will remain anonymous, I’ve gathered that David is exploring all of his options. I don’t know why it’s taken even this long to get defensive data for catchers and some base running measure.

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 13, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The downside is that Laird's defensive runs saved last year is probably not sustainable over the long run

and he’ll need to hit better this season to be a league average player again. I have my doubts about that…

by Scottwood on Apr 13, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe not the total from last year

But if he can be worth 1 or 1 and a quarter wins defensively,he’s a two win player.

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by David Tokarz on Apr 13, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Snippet of the next article (and this is off the top of my head): Laird has had another 10+ defensive run saved season but has been anywhere from 0-5 runs defensively. So he’ll be coming back to earth, so-to-speak. I’d expect around a 1.5 season of WAR from him when you include defense. Nothing to sneeze at considering he’s getting 50-60% playing time (or thereabouts).

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 13, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice work, Mike

I find it a little stunning that you don’t have “database skills” as you call it, because the information that you produce is nothing short of amazing, IMO.

I’ve been posting since Al’s kid was called up that catcher is the one position on the field, other than pitcher, where defense is actually more important than batting. My motto: What a catcher does behind the plate is much more important than what he does AT the plate. And if you’re going to use a catcher in match ups, match him up with OUR pitcher, not THEIRS. Translation: Platooning Avila and Laird based on whether a lefty or righty is pitching for the opponent would be a mistake. (In fact, Al’s kid actually hit lefties just as well or better than RHP’s). I’m willing to take the offensive hit to keep Laird in the game, but not Everett.

Fangraphs has just now gotten around to posting the RZR stats that used to be posted over on The Hardball Times website, so I’m sure they’ll get around to putting up stats on catching defense. I’m still trying to figure out how Polanco leads the majors in UZR, but is way down the list in RZR. Maybe I can get my head around these catching stats and I’ll come around to understanding UZR a bit better.

Thanks again, Mike. Keep it coming!

by Tigerdog1 on Apr 13, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks a lot.

Basically, this was just a lot of copy-pasting and throwing together a couple of formulas in Excel. I forgot to thank Lee, so I’m going to edit it to thank him. He helped with some ‘database’-ing to get ‘career totals’ for players from 2002-2009.

I haven’t checked the RZR numbers on Fangraphs yet. But, just know that they are basically a UZR-lite. UZR is a much more sophisticated metric that uses the same data source as RZR. That, coupled with our eyes (we know how good Polly is defensively), I’d trust the UZR score before the RZR.

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 13, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs has a post by David Appleman on the changes to their charts- +/-, RZR, and New Fielding stats

Here: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rzr-and-new-fielding-stats
and a discussion follows his post.
It seems that I’m not alone in my love for the simplicity of the RZR stats. Seems simple enough, the percentage of balls hit into a player’s “zone” that are turned into outs. Add in some credit for the OOZ, out of zone plays and you have the ultimate fielding efficiency stat, right? BUT NO, as Cosell would say. Here comes UZR!

What strikes me is that Polanco leads the majors in UZR, but is only 7th in the AL in RZR, and 9th overall. Quite a drop. So I wonder how they arrive at “runs saved” and that’s where my ADD kicks in at just the wrong time. I’ll get there. Maybe need some meds, but I’ll get there!

by Tigerdog1 on Apr 14, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

UZR accounts for a lot of things RZR doesn't.

Like the handedness of the pitcher and batter, what park the player is in, number of outs, number of base runners, etc etc. I think RZR is more descriptive as Sky Kalkman says in the comments of that post, so it does have some merit that UZR doesn’t. That said, I would still go to UZR over RZR. Here’s my UZR primer in case you missed it.

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 14, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i definitely enjoyed this

seems a crime laird didn’t win a golden glove last year. offensive numbers shouldn’t influence a DEFENSIVE award.

I Like Pie

by mrsunshine on Apr 13, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

agree

as many other people do.

unfortunately, that’s just the way it is. I take baseball awards with a grain of salt.

by Kurt Mensching on Apr 13, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

In fact, i don’t even know who won the gold glove for a catcher. Two things I don’t pay attention to when it comes to baseball: spring training and all of the awards. No. 3 would be the all-star game.

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 14, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh.

See what I mean?

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 14, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the ASG

It’s entertaining at least.

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by David Tokarz on Apr 14, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE IT.

What I would give to abolish the all-star game. I don’t like it (and it’s not just baseball – I don’t like it in any sport).

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 14, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff Mike

Hope I’m not too late to the party here. Do you mind me asking how long something like this took you? I’m hoping to get into more of the sabermetric side of things this summer when I have some free time.

by handsomerob1 on Apr 14, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Couple hours, max.

But that’s only because I didn’t realize I could get all the catchers on one page like I linked to in the update of this post (or right here). So I was going by the AL only page and then the NL only page. Also, I wasn’t entirely focused just on the project … I get ADD-like at times and just abandon it. I’ve gotten much more proficient in Excel, too, which helps. Once you get one line with the formulas in place, it’s just a matter of quick plug-and-chug.

Any questions, feel free to ask whenever I’m around BYB, in the off-topic/open thread, on twitter, or you can email me. It’s at the bottom of the site, click the little envelope.

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 14, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

good for Laird

but he is still boring as hell to watch on offense. I hate this teams offense so much!!

by awm on Apr 15, 2010 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

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