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Nine things I think: Justin Verlander, Austin Jackson and left-coast edition

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  1. I think too much is being made over the Tigers' starting pitching right now. The Tigers lead only the Red Sox in starting pitcher ERA with 5.31. It would be easy to look at that number and assume the bottom of the rotation isn't getting the job done. But actually, it's the top of the rotation that is struggling. Justin Verlander has an ERA of 6.88. Rick Porcello's is 6.64. Who here thinks these two players are going to struggle for the entire season, raise your hand. No one? Good. Because they're going to improve and so is the rotation.
  2. I think Austin Jackson, for all his positives, might need a little more time in Triple A to continue working on his swing. I'm as thrilled the next person at his start, and I really want him to grow into the star center fielder the Tigers need. But he is striking out in 37.7 percent of his at-bats. I love that he's working the counts and finding ways to get on base. But there is no way -- no way! -- his BABIP is going to finish the season at .500. So that nice OBP and SLG is going to see quite a dropoff, and the Tigers are not using him as a base-stealing threat. Chasing rookie strikeout records is no way for a leadoff batter to make a career. He's got to find a way to make more contact.
  3. I think too much is being made of the Tigers' struggles to get runners home. I don't expect them to become the Yankees, but I do expect the success rates of certain batters near the top of the order will show improvement over the course of a year.
  4. I think it's remarkable the Tigers are in second place considering a couple of the above points.
  5. I also think -- OK, pretty sure we can move this into the "know" category -- the Twins are not going to remain this hot. But if they do manage to remain on pace to win 118 games, it really doesn't matter how good or bad the Tigers are, does it?
  6. I think the AL East continues to scare the dickens out of me, especially when Boston gets back to winning more often than it loses.
  7. I think I'd like to see Brent Dlugach starting at shortstop. As much as the idea scares me, I think it's hard to justify the Tigers continuing to carry Adam Everett. You'd like to say, "Ah, but the season is young." Yes, but Everett is hitting like we expected him to! Dlugach, meanwhile, has a .322 average and .344 on-base percentage for Triple-A Toledo. At some point you have to admit Everett's glove is simply not going to make up for his poor hitting.
  8. I think I like how Jim Leyland is using his catchers. So far, it's been about a 3:2 ratio for Gerald Laird to Alex Avila. I agree with that. Laird should continue to get a majority of the starts, but Avila is used enough to keep get the necessary experience and keep both catchers fresh. 
  9. I think this is the worst Tigers schedule I can remember. Seriously, it's awful. They go from playing a bunch of 1 p.m. games that most working people can't see to a bunch of 10 p.m. games that most working people can't see. I understand all the reasons they might want to schedule afternoon games at Comerica Park, but their home schedule needed to get the team in prime time more often before they headed out west. If I didn't write a website about team, I probably would scarcely have acknowledged baseball season even began. A return to the central time zone Friday will be nice, and it will be even better when they get back to 7 p.m. games in Detroit on Tuesday.

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by allikazoo on Apr 22, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I think I agree with you about Dlugach

maybe not right now, but by about the 50th game, I think we could see Everett released.

by BigJP on Apr 22, 2010 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Speaking of K's...

Dloogy has 20 in 59 AB’s for the ‘Hens At least his 34% would make AJax look a little less like an outlier. I agree, though, that I’d love to see Everitt’s bat out of the lineup.

by momotigers on Apr 22, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dlugach

you might make the case that he’s the beneficiary of Austin Jackson Syndrome at the plate. .322 BA vs. .344 OBP? So he has, what, like 1 walk? Looks to me like he’s the beneficiary of balls falling in for hits, with the underlying plate discipline skill lacking. Of course, I don’t have BABiP numbers handy, so I may be completely wrong about that.

by ChrisDTX on Apr 22, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

he's my most "think" of "I think."

He does have a high BABIP but he also has an insanely high ground ball rate.

The problem is there’s really no decent shortstop in the wings and the Tigers’ best bet is probably to shop outside the organization.

by Kurt Mensching on Apr 22, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dlugach won't hit this well

But he’s just as sure-handed with the glove as Everett and he represents more upside with the bat.

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by David Tokarz on Apr 22, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or deal him

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by David Tokarz on Apr 22, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Opie is holding much trade value.

Maybe we can get some old baseball card gum or a Barney Fife picture… maybe.

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by 13194013 on Apr 22, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Save money

At least.

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by David Tokarz on Apr 22, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cleveland should be sellers and take Opie from us for...

Shin Soo Choo!

…I can fantasize!

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by 13194013 on Apr 22, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can still dream.

Oh Choo, your left handed batting prowess is undeniable!

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by 13194013 on Apr 22, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where am I?

“You’re in a Chinese Opie-um den Timmy! Dodgeball was invented by Opie-um addicted Chinamen.”

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 22, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Austin Jackson, for all his positives, might need a little more time in Triple A to continue working on his swing. I’m as thrilled the next person at his start, and I really want him to grow into the star center fielder the Tigers need. But he is striking out in 37.7 percent of his at-bats. I love that he’s working the counts and finding ways to get on base. But there is no way — no way! — his BABIP is going to finish the season at .500. So that nice OBP and SLG is going to see quite a dropoff, and the Tigers are not using him as a base-stealing threat. Chasing rookie strikeout records is no way for a leadoff batter to make a career. He’s got to find a way to make more contact.

It’ll be more than the rookie strike out record. He’s on pace to break Reynolds’ K record from last year. His BABIP is not going to finish that high, oh no, but neither is his K rate. We’re 15 games into the season, he’s never seen MLB pitching before, and he’s still hitting .300. I don’t think I’m ready to agree that he should be sent back to AAA to work on his swing. If you watch the games, he makes necessary adjustments in his latter at bats to make contact (or walk) — even if it takes him 3 K’s to do it. He’ll only continue to improve in that regard.

And let’s assume he does somehow maintain a respectable batting average for a rookie with a high K total? Then who cares. K’s, when nobody needs to be moved over, count the same as a fly ball to the track. Way too much stock put into them because they’re not sexy.

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by Packey on Apr 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

you're far too optimistic about him, I'm afraid

His BABIP is undoubtedly going to come back to earth, but he’s a guy with a high strikeout rate for years and now he’s seeing the best pitching he’s ever seen. And the book is going out to all the teams how to strike him out. This does not bode well.

by Kurt Mensching on Apr 22, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

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by David Tokarz on Apr 22, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're welcome

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by David Tokarz on Apr 22, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

guh

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by Packey on Apr 22, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calm down

I’ve talked about this until I’m blue in the face- go check the CF depth charts I wrote up or any single comment I’ve made about Jackson. He was rushed.

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by David Tokarz on Apr 22, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

everyone's calm

except maybe you… point is, “this” adds nothing to the conversation. If you’ve talked about it already until you’re “blue in the face,” (take a breath, maybe?) you don’t really need to add anything else then maybe, right? especially a pretty worthless, and some might say smart ass, “this”

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by Packey on Apr 23, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Relax, guys

Jackson may have been rushed, but I trust that the Tigers’ talking heads made the correct decision in bringing him up to the big club. I haven’t seen Wells or anyone else play CF, but Ajax looks very comfortable in the field. His bat needs a bit of work, but both of his outrageous rates (BABIP and K) will come down to earth. At least he’s hitting the ball well when he makes contact. I’ll take his .300+ over Opie and Laird any day of the week.

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 23, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

but he's not going to keep hitting .300

that’s the point that has to be remembered. He just isn’t. Everyone needed a reminder to step back.

by Kurt Mensching on Apr 23, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't implying that he would

I agree that he’ll regress a bit, but he won’t be the Black Hole of Suck that is Opie and Laird either.

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 23, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm far too optimistic about him because I don't think he'll break the all-time single season K record and don't think he needs to go down to AAA after 15 games into the season, in which he's hitting >.300???

Gosh, shame on me.

We’ve seen 15 games from him — good ones at that and exceeding expectations overall — and you’re already thinking about having him spend some time in AAA to fix something he hasn’t been able to fix in five years of professional baseball.

So what if he maybe strikes out 150 times. K’s are just an uglier ground out. As long as they’re not sacrificing moving runners, they don’t mean anything more than an out.

And it’s quite contradicting to say with certainty that his BABIP will fall (which I agree, will fall) and then go ahead and assume he’ll continue this astronomically, record shattering high K rate. Both will come back down to earth.

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by Packey on Apr 22, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's normalize things a bit and see

We’ll say he doesn’t continue to strike out 38% of the time. He only strikes out about 25% at the time. Let’s also say his BABIP is a much more realistic .350 for the type of batter he is. What do we come up with?

He strikes out eight times less this season so far. He also has 16.5 hits rather than 19. So now he’s hitting .270 with a .330 on-base percentage. Kind of looks like Granderson without the power, doesn’t it?

by Kurt Mensching on Apr 22, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

granderson has also

seen the AL the past, what, 5 seasons? I’m super high on Jackson. Yes, he strikes out alot, owever, he can hit both left and right handed pitchers, something our boy Grandy had a problem with. He also plays fly balls better, IMO, he takes much better routs. Give him time, i see him doing about .290 BA and maybe a 20-24% SO rate. However, AAA isn’t going to fix the problem we have, who plays center field IF he gets sent down? Rayburn? Lol, yea, I like Raburn as a utility OF, but his defense is far too shoddy, and I’d also rather keep Kelley as a backup as well. If we had a formiable, STARTING center fielder to plug in, then sure, but I don’t see one.

by BearedPlayoffJesus19 on Apr 22, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

and you’re welcome for my astute input.

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 22, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jackson isn't a formidible CF

Not even close. He’s as good as Thomas or Wells right now- his value lies in potenital.

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by David Tokarz on Apr 22, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's better than Granderson yet

but there’s nothing he’s done so far to make us think he’s anything below an above-average CF at the present, with possibility of being a Gold Glove guy in the future (a.k.a. when Torii Hunter retires).

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 23, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it's too early to make judges on his hitting,

it is most certainly too early to make judges on his fielding, no?

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 23, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He strikes out eight times less this season so far.

Yeah in 15 games, but over the course of a season it’s the difference of 60+ strikeouts. His last 2 seasons in MiLB he only K’ed at a near 25% clip. My point is that it’ll balance out to something like that and not wind up being an absurd 38% and shattering records. Again, my main point, he doesn’t need to go to AAA to figure out his swing. He can do that against the pitching he’s facing now as long as he hits .300 (or .270 when BABIP comes back down to earth — that’s more than acceptable for a rookie IMO).

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by Packey on Apr 22, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The more likely scenario

is to strike out more than that and have a BABIP less.

I like the kid, but if you look at him objectively he’s just not as good as you want to believe.

by Kurt Mensching on Apr 22, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he'll be sent down to AAA

there’s just no one to plug in for him. It’s a matter of him being the best option in CF no matter the situation. It’s a lot like Opie at short. There’s not really a better option behind him besides Dlfhedskfjsjggach.

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 22, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't say I think he was going to get sent down
I think Austin Jackson, for all his positives, might need a little more time in Triple A to continue working on his swing.

by Kurt Mensching on Apr 22, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

My mistake

I don’t think he’ll see that time in AAA though, whether he needs it or not. If he’s really “the guy” he theoretically should be able to adjust on the fly in the MLB.

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 23, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did

(see predictions thread)

by ChrisDTX on Apr 23, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

His last two seasons he’s struck out near a 25% clip. He’s never struck out 38% of his at bats, his greatest is 28% of his at bats his first year in professional baseball. I’m not anointing him a superstar, where are all these subtle jabs of “you’re too optimistic” and “he’s not as good as you want to believe” comments from? I said he’s not going to strike out at 38% and as long as he’s hitting .300 (or even .270 as you said would be the case when his BABIP comes down to earth) he’ll be fine as a MLB hitter. My point all along was he doesn’t need time in AAA, like you think, because of an absurdly high strike out rate through 15 games, Mr. Small Sample Size Guy.

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by Packey on Apr 22, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

edit

his K rates before coming to bigs: 28%, 22%, 22%, 24%

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by Packey on Apr 22, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

And those are bound to get higher as he advances level

Especially considering that he’s jumped to this level. Expecting a 30% K rate this year is not ridiculous at all.

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by David Tokarz on Apr 22, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

“And those are bound to get higher as he advances level”

That’s simply NOT a fact. I bet you didn’t know that often times the difference between a AAA pitcher and an MLB pitcher is one minor adjustment or even simply a roster spot being available. So even if, gosh forbid, his K rate increases slightly his first year in the bigs for whatever reason, it’s going to come down. Even everyone’s boiii Curtis Granderson had a 29% K rate his first year in the bigs (after having a 29% K rate his final season in AAA) and it came down to a not great, but whatever, 23-25%.

Jackson strikes out a lot, I get it, but if you think his K rate is going to be at 38% all season, then you’re crazy. I can’t find one guy in baseball to have that over the course of a season, ever Even prolific K guy Jim Thome’s highest season was 34%.

As for your “expecting 30% rate this year is not ridiculous at all” comment: I’m fine with agreeing with that. The difference between 38% and 30% is the difference between him shattering all-time K records and just striking out a lot. Who cares. Right now, I’m going to revel in the fact that he’s playing really well as a hitter and a CF and his K’s really don’t mean shit. All proof that he doesn’t need to go back down to AAA and he wasn’t rushed. My point all along. End of discussion.

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by Packey on Apr 23, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

wasn't looking hard enough I guess
I can’t find one guy in baseball to have that over the course of a season, ever Even prolific K guy Jim Thome’s highest season was 34%.

This is wrong. 39% for Mark Reynolds just last year. That’s what I get for looking at the all-time K list instead of just active big time K guys. My point on everything else stands.

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by Packey on Apr 23, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we can agree

that whether or not Jackson “should” or “should not” go down to AAA for some more seasoning, he won’t go down unless he absolutely faceplants. You’ll have a very hard time convincing me he’s not easily the best defensive CF option in the system with how he’s played so far. Those on the Casper Wells bandwagon need to look at his stats the same way you’re looking at Jackson’s: if you expect Jackson’s numbers to take a dive in the MLB, then expect Wells’ to do the same. I don’t think there’s enough separating them at the plate to warrant Wells taking Jackson’s spot right now.

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 23, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

15 games is too small of sample to say he's bad,

Yet is big enough sample to say that he is ready for the bigs and wasn’t rushed at all? I don’t understand how this works one way and not the other.

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 23, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, for starters, he hasn’t been bad.

My point has been that a 15 game sample size of one specific aspect of his game that plays only a tiny role in evaluating a player is not significant.

How can you say a guy hitting .308/.375 and already to me looks like a better CF than our last one was rushed and needs to be sent down to AAA to work on his swing? Yes, his BABIP will fall, but so will his K rate and everything will balance out.

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by Packey on Apr 23, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying he needs to go down.

I’m just saying that it can’t be both ways: enough of a sample to say he’s good enough for he majors or that he needs to go to Triple-A. My opinion is: I don’t know, we don’t have a sizable sample yet.

For what it’s worth, K% (not the K/AB that Kurt used above from Fangraphs, but K/PA) stabilizes around the 150 PA mark – so we need another 15 games or so to get a read on where his K rate will likely fall for the rest of the year. I’d bet on around 30% (which isn’t a bad thing; I don’t even really care about K’s so long as they get supplemented with either walks or power. My concern is that when the BABIP does dry up and his SLG drops, is he walking enough to offset it?).

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 23, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m saying “right now” he’s proving he’s good enough for the majors and wasn’t rushed, thus, doesn’t warrant a “I think he should go down to AAA to work on something that is insignificant compared to everything else he’s doing well right now.”

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by Packey on Apr 23, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, please try reading again what I said

I don’t know how many times I have to paste myself over and over again.

I think Austin Jackson, for all his positives, might need a little more time in Triple A to continue working on his swing.

MIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did I not say “send him down”? Because it’s only 15 games. But I said he might have to go down because there’s certainly some problem areas that may be exposed.

by Kurt Mensching on Apr 23, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha I read it

But I’m sure you’ll be the first person to write you thought he should go back down to AAA should that ever happen. Very simply, the thought of him going back to AAA should never have been even a thought at this point.

Where’s David Tokarz with the “calm down” call?

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by Packey on Apr 23, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, if 15 games is again too small of a sample

How can you say “looks like a better CF than our last one?” There was a time Chris Shelton looked like Albert Pujols, too. Kurt’s claims are probably too rushed as are yours, as well. Truth is somewhere in the middle (though he’s been more impressive than I thought he’d be, mostly defensively).

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 23, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

hitting is much different than fielding

You can tell by just watching him he takes better routes, is faster, and runs a lot better. That type of stuff just doesn’t regress. It probably improves more than anything else. Chris Shelton looked like Albert Pujols for a month because of how he was hitting.

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by Packey on Apr 23, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say he's faster.

I don’t think he’s faster, though I do think he’s a better defender.

However, fielding isn’t much different, in my mind, from hitting scouting-wise. I think he’s above-average defender (and has been better than i thought he’d be … his speed is better than was advertised), but I don’t see how one can make that claim.

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 23, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

well he looks faster to me, but stats also suggest he's faster

Speed Score from just the other day in USA Today:
Austin Jackson: 8.4
Curtis Granderson: 7.9

Also, Granderson ran a 6.6 sixty in high school and Austin Jackson ran a 6.51 – bested at Perfect Game by Cameron Maybin’s 6.42.

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by Packey on Apr 23, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speed scores don't rate speed.

They rate things in baseball that aren’t exclusive to guys with great speed. Smart base runners can steal good amounts of bases. I’ve played around with speed scores for college baseball players a ton and I personally find them to be next to useless. A guy can run a 6.5 but if his coach doesn’t give him the green light, he gets a small speed score. A guy can run a 6.7 but attempt 50 bases and have a huge speed score.

Never mind the inherent dependence on the fact that if you don’t get on base at all, you don’t get the chance to improve that speed score.

Flawed and misleading in my opinion all around.

And the Grandy/Jackson times though, are very intriguing. I don’t think he looks faster in my opinion (been wrong before), but 6.6 and 6.51 isn’t that huge of a split – small enough that multiple running’s or different scouts with stop watches could get slightly different readings.

I’d concede they’re about equal, in my opinion.

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 23, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

right.

that’s why I followed it up with their 60 times, which favors Jackson. I’m fine with agreeing that they’re about equal but I’d say it probably leans toward Jackson as the faster of the two. Like I said, he definitely looks like a better/faster runner.

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by Packey on Apr 23, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

Jackson’s speed was taken with laser, so stop watches don’t apply. I’m not sure how Grandy’s time was taken.

Jackson looks faster because he takes better routes and has better form, but again I’m fine admitting they’re about equal with the pendulum swaying toward Jackson.

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by Packey on Apr 23, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did not know that about Jackson's speed.

That’s a nice tidbit.

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 23, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And what claims have I made that are rushed?

All I’ve claimed is that I don’t think he needs to be sent to AAA right now because of his currently absurd K rate that won’t stick and mean near nothing in evaluating a player. I never said before that he’s going to be an all-star or is even going to turn out good. I’ve simply said that talking about sending him down to work on his swing at this point, given how well he’s done so far, is ludicrous.

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by Packey on Apr 23, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically all of the judgements on him.

I guess I prefer qualifiers, though if you’re arguing he’s had a good 15 games then that’s fine.

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 23, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

as for qualifiers...

from a commenter at DTW:

Last season in the minors, AJax had a .480 BABIP going into June after 171 AB’s and finished the season with a .392 BABIP in 527 AB’s

dont always tell you everything, either.

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by Packey on Apr 23, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of line drives

His line drive percentage has been a very good 34%. Using the rule of thumb of LD% + .120 his BABIP should be in the .460 range, so it’s not as if he’s simply getting lucky on groundballs or bloop singles.

The BABIP will certainly drop, but it’s nice to see that is been mostly due to good hitting (when he makes contact) and not dumb luck.

by Matt Snyder on Apr 23, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends. There's an Expected BABIP measure that is out there.

I’ll use it later tonight when i get back from dinner on Jackson.

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 23, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe it is pre-mature to talk about sending Jackson down.

Part of my curiosity about Austin was how he would try to make adjustments. I think the experience, both good and bad, will be positive.

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by 13194013 on Apr 22, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say give him until mid-May

At that point, call up Thomas or Wells.

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by David Tokarz on Apr 22, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only if he's doing horribly.

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by 13194013 on Apr 22, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually . . .

. . . a k after 10 pitches is far better than a fly ball to the warning track on the first pitch, absent baserunners. A higher k rate will necesarily follow if we ask our hitters to display more patience at the plate.

by rea on Apr 22, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cleveland taking a bite out of the Twins today

Always nice to see.

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by ahtrap on Apr 22, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

And to follow on the heels of that

It’s not surprising that the Tigers are in second place, because the AL Central division simply stinks. Maybe Minnesota will give it some credibility, maybe the Tigers make a run, but after that? Who knows what the the White Sox really have this year? Cleveland isn’t ready for prime time, not with that pitching, and the Royals…they’re the Royals. The Tigers may not end up in second place, but with 9 against the Royals and Indians to start with, the surprising thing would have been if they were anything but first or second 15 games into the seson.

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by ahtrap on Apr 22, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Ajax does need some time in AAA....But....

…I dont wana see him go down there…he can learn on this level…besides who would play CF?…Clete?…He strikes out almost just as much as Ajax…AJAX BABY!!!!

by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Truth

The AL Central isn’t very good, the sox look awful the indians just don’t have talent and the royals are missing a bullpen. The Tigs and the Twins should be the only two teams with a record north of .500

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by ChesterFried on Apr 22, 2010 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Replies, point by point

and those are some excellent points, Kurt.

1. The ONLY reason that I’m not concerned about the starting pitching is precisely because it’s still early. JV didn’t exactly bolt outta the gate with both guns blazing last year, and he turned out okay. Porcello wasn’t hit hard in his last start, but he was hit often and he was getting the ball up. Bonderman showed us something last night after the first inning blues passed, making it two outta three ain’t bad for him. Give it time. But if the rotation is a problem, just start the fire sale on these contracts that are coming off the books anyway. Oh, nobody wants them. Never mind!

2. I was always concerned, as many commentators were, about putting a hitter with the kind of K/ BB ratio that AJax has been, into the lead off role. What I like most of all is the plate discipline and ability to work the count and foul off tough pitches that AJax has displayed. But you take out 38% for his K’s and then multiply the rest of his 62% of AB’s by a more reasonable avg when he puts the ball in play (there are no homers), and the result is not a lead off hitter, if he’s a major leaguer at all.

In the field, this kid is the real deal. Jackson made two stellar plays last night alone, one on the fly into the RCF gap, and one charging in on a blooper, neither of which I think Granderson makes (as much as I like Curtis). I have zero concern any more about defense in CF.

If AJax can’t cut it in a lead off role, who leads off? I vote for Sizemore. We’re not there yet, but we’re getting there.

3. This is the one that I disagree with. We’ve had a full year of this scenario- failure to get runners home Twice in the past two games, Inge fails to move the runner. Two men on base, pitcher struggling, 2- 0 count, and the idiot hacks away and pops out to end the inning. Man on base, we’ve just tied the game, nobody out- move the runner up, right? Wrong, the maroon strikes out. The bigger maroon is the one that sent him in to pinch hit for Kelly, who was driving the ball well all night. Failure to bring runners home is a problem and has been a problem. As long as we have the big LIE- Laird, Inge, and Everett, it will continue to be a problem. It was nice to see all three get a night off.

4. Playing half our games against KC and the Injuns hasn’t hurt the Tigs in the standings.

5. The Twinkies are hot, all right. Isn’t that where they left off last year? They needed a 2B and SS, and they went out and got them. We’ll just have to smack em in the mouth ourselves. Still, this race is going down to the wire.

6. The three best teams in MLB are in the AL east. I change my mind daily on which one is the best. Boston added Lackey, Beltre, Scutaro, and Cameron, lost Jason Bay, and they’re in last place? That ain’t gonna last. Still, none of them can win the Central!

7. Go with the ABE plan. Anyone But Everett! If the head maroon is gonna keep running Opie out there against RHP’s, he has to be stopped. Dlugach isn’t the answer to our prayers at SS, but if he comes as advertised defensively, make the move. He’s an ABE and that’s good enough for me. I’d rather send up a cardboard cutout of Ray Oyler to the plate vs a RHP than Everett!

8. I agree that the ratio of Laird to Avila has been about right. Al’s kid has looked bad at the plate, but better in the field. The darling of fan forums last year isn’t the savior he was cracked up to be, but he can hit better than G$. For my two cents, I’d go ahead and extend Laird if they feel that Avila will be the starter next year. He won’t get much more than he got in arby this year with the numbers he’s been putting up, and he’d be an excellent backup if nothing else. His job of base running last night was superb. If Avila isn’t gonna be the man, and we won’t know that unless he gets his AB’s in, then they’ll have to work up a plan B.

9. Having to play a night game in Anaheim, then the next night in Texas sucks. The league should step in on that stuff. The good thing about the schedule from a Tiger perspective is that they’ll be done on the west coast after the Dodger series in May. I think I might get a hotel room downtown for that series. The only thing that I hate about the ravine is the traffic around the place. At least it’s a weekend series.

All that being said, I’m not impressed with the AL west this year, either. Other than the Royals, the west is no better than the ALC.

by Tigerdog1 on Apr 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I still think Inge is a decent enough 8 or 9 hitter

But you’re convincing me more and more every day that Opie’s gotta go.

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by David Tokarz on Apr 22, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to feel that way

The suck vortex of Laird-Sizemore-Everett at the bottom of the order is disheartening. Nothing against Sizemore – he’s just in the middle of a turd sandwich there. But every time an inning features those three, I go outside to smoke. And really at this point in his career, Everett gets by with “cheating” on defense. He positions himself well, but he certainly isn’t flooring me with his range or athleticism.

by ChrisDTX on Apr 22, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

#3

I disagree on #3. Getting runners home is going to continue to be a problem as long as we have Sizemore, Laird. and Everett hitting at the bottom of the order. This was a problem for us more often than it should’ve been last year as well. I don’t even want to think about how many times we couldn’t get a runner in from third with 1 out in 2009. Game 163 never would’ve happened if this wasn’t such a big and recurring problem for us.

But everything else you’re probably right about. I especially like the idea of seeing whether or not Dlugach can hack it in the show or not. Shortstop is one of the positions that we need to make a decision on next year and probably the most likely one that will get filled with the best free agent they can find since we’ll have flexibility with the payroll. But may as well at least see if the in-house option is there before getting out the checkbook. No way Everett is back in 2011.

by Sutelc on Apr 22, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Next year...

How about Dloogy / Santiago mix? Maybe Ramon vs. most RHP and Dloogy vs. most LHP.

by momotigers on Apr 22, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regardless of our opinion of Razor Ramon

the Tigers’ braintrust has shown time and again that they don’t think RR is “the guy” at short. I’d be happy with that sort of split, but I don’t think it’s realistic.

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 23, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you realize just how bad the Tigers are doing with RISP

well, I think you do, but you don’t realize how hard it would be to sustain such bad play. They are batting a full .050 worse with runners in scoring position than without. They have unsustainable low success rates at getting the runner home from second and third. This is going to irmprove.

And what’s with picking on Sizemore? He’s got the Tigers’ fourth best average with RISP. If you want to blame someone, blame Ordonez for batting .118.

… Do you suppose that might improve?

by Kurt Mensching on Apr 22, 2010 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Twins (i.e. Devil's) advocate

Maybe it’s their production without RISP that is unsustainable!

by ChrisDTX on Apr 22, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jackson's BABIP:

Right now Jackson has 19 hits and 23 strike-outs (37.7 K%). Give him three fewer hits (16) and convert 6 strike-outs to in-play outs (27.9 K%), and he’d be hitting .262 with a .363 BABIP (in his two full minor league seasons, he had a .364 BABIP in 1024 ABs). The big assumption, obviously, is whether or not he can adjust and start putting the ball in play more often. I think he can. We’ll see. His defense has been spectacular, so as I much as I like Raburn, I would hesitate to replace him.

Regardless, when he cools off, he shouldn’t be hitting leadoff. I’d prefer Damon-Sizemore at the top of the order.

by StringTheory on Apr 22, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Brent D.

I tend to agree with you about Dlugach. I’m not a big fan of Adam Everett at all … terrible hitter and I don’t think his glove is much above average. That said, I’m still not sure that I’d straight out release him, or at least until we’re relatively sure Dlugach can handle a Major League gig.

If Brent does become the shortstop, do we get to call him Luggie?

by ScottyDan on Apr 22, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Duh-LOO-Gach

I think 13194013 created that one (seriously, I need to learn your name).

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by David Tokarz on Apr 22, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's David.

ChrisDTX likes using it and I think the pseudo-phonetic spelling appeared from him a tad earlier (in the same thread) as mine, but he uses it more.

Duh-LOO-Gach is supposedly how it is pronounced.

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by 13194013 on Apr 22, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

For full effect, it has to be typed thusly

DUH-LOOOOOOOOOO-GACH, with the # of O’s directly corresponding to one’s excitement at the time.

by ChrisDTX on Apr 22, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone talks about Ajax Striking out so much....

…..However no one is talking about how the last 3 games hes seen the most pitches and on the season I believe hes seen the most as well….so hes working the count and doing a great job of bringing up pitch counts of the opposing pitchers.

by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

This

he’s striking out a lot, but when he’s seeing 8 or 9 pitches in that strikeout it still does some damage.

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 22, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

A-Jax

Clearly his BABIP will regress, even then you’re still looking at a player who should be starting for the team.

Granderson without power still plays in this line-up, just not at the lead-off spot. Lucky or not, he’s not overmatched at this level, no AAA necessary in my opinion.

by The Nicker on Apr 22, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

a jax

leave the rook in cf…..need to play avila and santiago..give ramon a chance before u start digging in the minors…thomas is a waste of time…rather see galaraga..if raburn doesnt start hitting bring up wells

by paul wall on Apr 22, 2010 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Raburn

He just hasn’t seen any regular AB’s this year. Tough to find a groove when you get in one of every 3 games.

by momotigers on Apr 22, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

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by David Tokarz on Apr 22, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe Raburn just isn't a good as people thought

I’m maybe a little surprised he’s started off this poorly but he’s not exactly a must-have player either.

by Kurt Mensching on Apr 23, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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