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Do you root for traded Tigers to fail?


I do.

I never thought I would root for Granderson to not do well, but after seeing him in Yankee pinstripes, I gotta admit I enjoy seeing him waving at pitches against lefties.

Nate Robertson never did anything to me, but I was glad to see the Padres knock him around today.  I want Jurgens to turn ordinary, and Cameron Maybin not to acheive stardom.

For some reason, I don't feel that way about Polanco, though.

 



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I rooted for them. They didn’t ask to be traded. I want good things for them. Just not against us.

by Kurt Mensching on Apr 28, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

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by David Tokarz on Apr 28, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not me

Unless there is some extraordinary reason to not like them, I don’t generally root against players. I view Baseball as a team sport. As long as a player wears the ol D, I love em like my first born child. On another team, once in a while, I might continue to root for a player after he’s traded, but rarely against him. Polanco is definitely one that I’d like to see doing well. Maybe it’s easier to feel that way when he’s in the other league, and his team winning couldn’t hurt the Tigers unless we’re playing them.

A similar question is: do you root for division opponents in the playoffs? I don’t. More likely, I root against them, but it’s still very much an individual thing. I have been resentful of the Twinkies when I feel they’ve lucked their way into the playoffs, but it’d take an act of terrorism to get me to root for the Yankers over anyone!

by Tigerdog1 on Apr 28, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I usually root for NL teams in the playoffs

Something about rooting for another AL team doesn’t seem right to me. To each his/her own, I guess though.

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 28, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends which AL Central team.

If the Tigers can’t make it, then I would root for the Twins (sorry!). If the Royals ever make it, I will root for them. But I will NEVER root for the White Sox or Indians. I usually have a couple of favorites in each division for whom I will root if and when they make the playoffs:

AL East: Orioles and Rays
AL Central: Tigers (obviously) and Twins
AL West: A’s and Rangers
NL East: Phillies
NL Central: Pirates and Reds
NL West: Giants

by Dberg on Apr 28, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free agents who leave on bad terms are one thing

if I liked them as Tigers, I usually like to see them do well elsewhere.

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 28, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

The only players I don't want to do well...

… play for the Twins and the Indians. Also AJ Pierzynski. Screw that guy.

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by David Tokarz on Apr 28, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Oddly enough, the Twins are probably my second favorite baseball team...

for some inexplicable reason. I save all of my hatred for the White Sox, Yankees, Red Sox, Indians, and Angels (in that order).

by Dberg on Apr 28, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate the Indians more

But only slightly so.

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by David Tokarz on Apr 28, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only two seasons in 110 years

have the Tigers and Injuns finished 1- 2.
Maybe 2007 was the third time? Anyway, we were 8 games out.

by Tigerdog1 on Apr 30, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on the guy

But as far as Placido, Curtis, EJax and Pudge — never.

"I see great things in baseball. It's our game, the American game. It will repair our losses and be a blessing to us." Walt Whitman

by NCDee on Apr 28, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Heck no!

In a long distance relationship with the Tigers--and, yes, we're doing fine.

by wepri31 on Apr 28, 2010 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Never!

In fact, I almost never root against anybody individually. I want teams to win or lose, but unless a guy has really done something offensive, I wouldn’t root against a person. And as far as traded Tigers, I generally actively root for them. My ideal result for this season would be—well obviously, Tigs World Series Champs—but then for Curtis Granderson to have a career year on a Yankee team that does not make the playoffs.

by Dale S on Apr 28, 2010 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Rec'd

For awesome.

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by David Tokarz on Apr 28, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm... I never really want someone to "fail"...

And I like to see them succeed… Just not against us!

by DetroitTigersGeek on Apr 28, 2010 7:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I just don't root.

Curtis Granderson is not on my television every night for 6 months a year, no reason for me to root for or against him at all. I root for the Tigers, a few select non-Tigers players (Pujols, Lincecum, ManRam, etc) and that’s it. Even when I’m rooting for the Tigers, I find I’m rooting for the team and not the actual players. I don’t develop much of an intense bond towards any of them really.

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by Mike Rogers on Apr 28, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

no

I want them all to do well. Maybe not to play that great when they play against us, but I never want any of them to fail.

Welcome to Detroit, NO sissies allowed

by Detroitchik on Apr 29, 2010 1:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I am captain neutral for 99% of them

but when Jason Grille came back to town, or I even watched him pitch elsewhere, I was giddy to see him get knocked around, because it wasn’t our bullpen…. Everyone else, I wish them well, unless it costs us a game in some odd way.

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by JoelZumayaKegStand on Apr 29, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

In particular, I hate the idea of rooting against Grandy,

but since I am a card-carrying Yankee hater (and also an Orioles fan), I can’t root for him at all now. I feel awful about it since it’s not his fault he’s there, but there you go.

by owllover711 on Apr 30, 2010 12:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm torn as well

It’s a tough situation for us. I want to see him do well, but his success = Yankees success, and that’s not cool.

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 30, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have met Grandy a few times

and I will never root against him, he’s truly too good of a man. However, I hope we put in lefties against him 100% of the time, that way I can root for our LOOGY instead of “against Curtis”… I wish him well in NYC, but I have a bad feeling his charitable goodness will only go so far in that city… Too much hate, let alone the people

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by JoelZumayaKegStand on Apr 30, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that seems wrong on a number of levels

And Zach Grienke agrees with me. Personal success does not necessarily lead to team success in baseball.

by baum on May 3, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Owls are super cool

You don’t happen to visit the Owl Bar in Baltimore, do you? If not, you should check it out next time you’re in town for an O’s game.

by cloud wall on Apr 30, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I don't live in Baltimore.

I live in Upstate New York. But I was lucky enough to be treated to a game at Camden Yards for my birthday in 2008! If I get back to Baltimore at some point in the near future, I’ll check that bar out. Thanks!

Yeah, owls are great; they’re my favorite bird!

by owllover711 on May 1, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have that card too

but I made another little card that I stapled to the back which allows me to root for Grandy as long as this is subsumed to my overall desire for Yankee failure

by Dale S on Apr 30, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, I may have to ask you for a copy of that card.

Anything to let me root for him again with a clear conscience. ;-)

by owllover711 on May 1, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Granderson is a unique case

On one hand, I will always love him not only as a ballplayer but as a person, but I must admit that when he was doing really well at the start of the season I was filled with an almost vengeful pride. It was like I was hating him for not playing that well with the Tigers, otherwise he would still be here and everything would be right again.

by nicolas08 on Apr 30, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Those Twins

Total love/hate relationship with me. In a way, I hate playing them because it seems like they’e always found a way to “fundemental” or “small ball” us to death, but I also respect the team that they are and wish we could be them (with a little more sexy…aka HR’s for batters and K’s for P’s.)

As for players, I always root for the ex-players. But if they are doing poorly, I feel a lot better about the trades that shipped them out. It’s easier to feel good about the big Marlins deal when we see Andrew Miller toiling away in the minors and Maybin whiffing all the time. I guess it’s my way of creating a win-win situation. If they’re doing well, good for my old homies…if they stink, it’s a good thing we ditched ’em.

by momotigers on Apr 30, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Pretty much what I meant when I started the thead

The John Smoltz trade haunted me for 2 decades. He is destined for the Hall of Fame and we gave him away for 7 wins with Doyle Alexander. Now Smolz seems like a great guy, a big Spartan basketball fan too, but I could not get myself to root for his success because it should be as a Tiger.

But that’s just me. I want bad things to happen to girls that dumped me too.

by Honeyman on Apr 30, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

9 wins for Alexander

that directly led to a division title
and 14 more the next season
Smoltz never would have amounted to anything in the Tiger organization, and I can say that with every bit as much confidence as anyone can say otherwise. We didn’t have Cox and Leo Mazzone, or the cast of stars in the rotation that the Bravos had. I don’t root for or against him, but I’d do that trade again all day long.

by Tigerdog1 on Apr 30, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

the Tigers essentially gave up a prospect for a guy that won them the division. You can’t ask for anything else. It’s not even like Smoltz was a “can’t miss” guy either. Cox and Mazzone had just as much to do with his development has Smoltz’s God-given abilities did.

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 30, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You and I see eye to eye on this.

I would do the Smoltz trade every time. The Tigers were not exactly in the greatest positions with who they had coming up, aging and the window of opportunity was closing. I’ll take the division and playoffs over a prospect, especially one who is not “can’t miss”.

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by 13194013 on May 1, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree kind of

If you’re in a position to contend for longer than a couple years, don’t give up the blue chip prospect. If not, go ahead. It’s all about timing- I’d rather miss the playoffs in 2009 by not acquiring Roy Halladay for instance, and have Rick Porcello, Ryan Perry and Casey Crosby around for 6 years after.

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by David Tokarz on May 1, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Additionally, the Tigers farm system was thin at that time.

And the game is about winning, not about having a good player and zero championships. If moving Porcello or Crosby meant winning a World Series, I’d take it because that is the aim of the game.

Dontrelle Willis apologist.

by 13194013 on May 1, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't guarantee a World Series

You can guarantee a playoff run- which is why surrendering multiple blue chip prospects at the deadline is a bad idea- often you can use those players to create a dynasty.

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by David Tokarz on May 1, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on that point

but the fact that Smoltz wasn’t viewed as a top-flight guy is why this trade was great for the Tigers at the time. They thought they were giving up some random minor leaguer (a la Jay Voss, for example) for a guy like Doyle Alexander.

by Rob Rogacki on May 1, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends to some degree on how they leave

If it’s a trade, I’d like to see the guys we got in return outperform the former Tiger(s). So that might involve a small amount of rooting against someone but it’s not personal. I’m not rooting against Granderson per se, but I’m rooting for D.D. and the Tigers to come out unequivocally on top in that deal.

Also, I can’t say I wished Juan Gone well when he left town.

by cloud wall on Apr 30, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

And I can say

that I wished him to be hit by a car electrified by lightning pulling a steamroller behind it weighed down with bricks and lead.

by 77bestrookieclassever on May 1, 2010 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Juan Gone, that is

not Grandy. Grandy is class and I will root for him to personally do well in any situation. Hopefully, the outcome against the Tigers will never come down to an AB by Grandy, though.

by 77bestrookieclassever on May 1, 2010 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

HIggy

I actively root for Higginson to lose all of the money that he took from the Tigers in a real estate scam.

by MIggy's DD on Apr 30, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no ill will towards Higgy.

He was one of the only bright spots on a lot of weak Tigers teams. I don’t blame him for the contract. I blame He Who Must Not Be Named.

by Dberg on Apr 30, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

His brother Juan Gonzalez

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by David Tokarz on May 1, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather hear about Voldemort...

…than Randy Smith. Voldemort never did anything wrong to the Tigers. Randy Smith was the downfall of the organization.

by momotigers on May 7, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rooting against former players in other sports

I really, really do enjoy rooting against Marian Hossa. I can’t stand the Blackhawks.

I don’t really dislike former Tigers who have left, but Marian Hossa really angers me.

by MIggy's DD on Apr 30, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

well he was kind of a rental anyway

I think there’s got to be a little time for a player to be associated with the team before the “root for them to do good” kicks in.

by Kurt Mensching on Apr 30, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

Hossa was a one year rental. If anything, I’m not a fan because he sucked something awful during the playoffs last year.

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 30, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope miggy does a lot better than maybin

i hope austin jackson is also a lot better than maybin too. i guess i root for our guys to be really good, and better than the guys we traded away (or didn’t sign)

agree on hating hossa

by redwingxviii on Apr 30, 2010 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Depends entirely on the circumstances.

I don’t usually root for them, but I have no real anger towards them either. They (usually) didn’t ask for the trade.

by playoffbeard on Apr 30, 2010 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Did he whine and bitch on the way out?

Watching Grilli hit the suckwall was amazing. Same with Monroe.

by john.kmiecik on Apr 30, 2010 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Grilli was amazing

He terrified me when he played for the Tigers, and it’s nice to see that the same terror affected fans of other teams!

by MIggy's DD on May 3, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

most players, no

Kyle Farnsworth and Jason Grilli… yes

by Ohio Tiger on May 2, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

What about free agents that leave by their own choice?

Jack Morris used to be my favorite, but seeing him in a full length fur coat (albeit in MN one step removed from his tigers days) made it easy to turn on him. Same thing with Steve Kemp who went to the Yanks after a stopover with the CWS.
I can root against Carlos Pena for not “getting it” until he went from the tigs to redsox to yanks to rays.
I can root against Jeff Weaver for losing it after he left the tigs.

by MR_AZ on May 4, 2010 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Once a Tiger, Always a Tiger

I was horrified when Cecil Fielder was traded to the Yankees, he just didn’t look right in that uniform, same for Jack Morris, Kirk Gibson, Lance Parrish, Willie Horton, Steve Kemp, Ron Leflore, Jason Thompson, etc. They were my guys, they played for my team. Once they leave the Tigers I always root for them to do well…unless, of course. they’re playing the Tigers…that’s where my loyalty will always be…to my team, my guys, the Detroit Tigers.

by HonoluluBlueJohn1978 on May 11, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

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