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What to do with Brennan Boesch and Carlos Guillen?


With Brennan Boesch channeling Roy Hobbs, and fitting in with the Tigers like a 10 year vet, I honestly don't see the rookie getting sent down. He's forced the playing time issue by becoming the batting order protection Miguel Cabrera has needed since he arrived in Detroit.

Just how well is Boesch hitting? His 3 home runs and 17 RBI lead AL rookies...and he's only played in 17 games.  Hell, he's even starting to play against left handed pitching, and play effectively.

So what should the Tigers do with the glass-bodied Carlos Guillen when he's healthy enough to return from the DL? Your guess is as good as mine, and the Tigers' brass are likely throwing ideas around like so much confetti, hoping to see what might stick.

Releasing Guilllen isn't an option. With the Tigers already eating almost all of Nate Robertson's deal, I don't see Mike Ilitch eating another. No man deserves that much indigestion.

Former Tigers beat writer and current Fox Sports pundit Jon Paul Morosi says the Tigers have something planned.

Before the Yankees series began, I believed it was possible the Tigers would send Boesch back to the minors when Carlos Guillen returned from the disabled list. Now, that looks doubtful. He has hit too well. One club source said the team will seek a "creative" solution to keep Boesch around once Guillen is back.

Guillen, on the DL with a strained left hamstring, might not be back until close to Memorial Day, anyhow. The team hasn’t made any plans to send him on a rehabilitation assignment.

So the plan is  going to be a "creative" solution? If you have any suggestions as to how Jim Leyland can keep Boesch's hot bat in the lineup, yet keep Guillen relatively happy, I'm sure he's willing to listen.

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Speaking of creative solutions...

Proving they're totally loopy over at Bleacher Report, a writer creatively suggests the Tigers should play Guillen at...2nd base?

Leave him (Boesch) to a corner outfield/DH tandem with Ordonez and Johnny Damon. Return Guillen from the disabled list and put him at second base.

Ship Sizemore off to the minors. I doubt anyone will miss him.

I'm sure this thought has been kicking around in manager Jim Leyland's head for over a week now.

Well, Sizemore's OBP is an unacceptable.296, and he's slugging an anemic .295, so....WHAT AM I THINKING?

The Tigers defense, to be blunt, sucks. It would be even worse, if that's even possible, with Guillen playing 2nd base.  If this thought really is "kicking around" in Leyland's nicotine addled skull, someone needs to slap a little sense into the Tigers' skipper. The last couple of seasons Guillen played short, his defensive play was less than ideal, and I'm being very generous. Defensively, he has morphed from a middle infielder into a corner position player...and not a very good one at that.

6 weeks into the season is too early to call the Scott Sizemore experiment a failure. Even though he's had only 4 hits in May, he was holding his own at the plate till this past hitless week.

OK, Mr. Smarty Pants Blogger, if sending Sizemore down isn't a sensible solution, what should the Tigers do?

Off the top of my head...

  • Say goodbye to Don Kelly to open a roster spot.
  •  Platoon the DH position.
  • Rotate the left fielders.

It's pretty much the only solution. Leyland has been platooning fairly successfully this season, doing so regularly at short with Adam Everett and Ramon Santiago and at catcher with Gerald Laird and Alex Avila. Guillen isn't going to stay healthy playing full-time. Hurt feelings be damned, Guillen shouldn't be counted upon as a full time player at this point of his career.

Let's not forget Johnny Damon isn't exactly a youngster in left field. He's 36, with a wet noodle for an arm. It wouldn't hurt to watch his playing time as well. Between Boesch, Damon and Guillen, the Tigers have 3 players they could rotate thru both DH and left field. I really don't see anything else the Tigers could do, unless it involves a trade...which isn't going to happen.

The Boesch Bus isn't going anywhere.

Before we get too carried away riding on the Boesch Bus, John Sickels at SBNation's Minor League Ball harshes our collective mellow. 

My feeling is that he will stay hot for awhile, but that pitchers will eventually exploit the holes in his swing detected by scouts.

Long-term, despite the fast start I still see Boesch as a .230-.250 hitter with a weak on-base percentage, albeit with enough power in his bat to be useful if deployed properly in a platoon role. He has a decent throwing arm and can swipe a base occasionally, but isn't going to keep himself employed with his defense alone. Tigers fans should enjoy the hot start while it lasts, but eventually Boesch will come to earth.

I realize Boesch isn't going to continue hitting over .360. (His stats, when projected over an entire season at Baseball-Reference.com, are absolutely insane)  But he does give the Tigers a dimension they are sorely lacking this season, and pretty much every season in recent memory, big time power from the left side of the plate. Save for Cabrera, no one on the Tigers was a real threat to go deep...till Boesch arrived on the scene. 

 The Tigers haven't had a  left handed power bat since their days at Tiger Stadium (Save for Bobby Higgenson's 30 homers in in 2000). The fact Boesch may be that long missing bat should, and will, keep him on the big league roster.

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Boesch Will Not Slow Down

His presence in the batters box has been tremendous. Look at the way he keeps his bat back and pulls to all fields shows he is the real deal. Boesch is just a batter that does better with the pitcher in the stretch, and the pitcher is in the stretch for almost all of his at bats with Cabrera, Damon, Jackson and Ordonez in front of Boesch. Put Carlos at second and bat him ahead of Inge, maybe even send down Brandon and let Kelly take his swing at third. Inge has been terrible at the plate and needs a wake up call down!!

by Marcmargolis on May 15, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

10 bucks says Boesch slows down.

Lots.

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by David Tokarz on May 15, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

10 bucks?

That’s all you’re betting?

by handsomerob1 on May 15, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm kinda broke

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by David Tokarz on May 15, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boesch will slow down.

Because the law of averages always happens. Everyone cools off, but not everyone recovers.

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by 13194013 on May 15, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boesch

Yes, money is the issue but I still say we cancel Guillen like a stamp. Boesch can play in the MLB. He can help us for years.

by Gromac on May 15, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait

Boesch is off to a better start than I’d imagined. I had read enough mixed reports on him over the last year or so, that I wasn’t really sure how he’d produce when he got up here.

On the team site earlier in the week, there was a Jason Beck report that said CG hadn’t been running at full strength yet and hadn’t been doing any hitting yet, so Morosi’s guess of Memorial Day seems way too early.

By the time CG returns, BB might have cooled off. If so, then sending him back down probably won’t be a big deal. I hope the rookie can keep on keepin’ on, though!

by TigersFan81371 on May 15, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

This

Don’t rush Guillen, and when he does come back, maybe go down to 6 pitchers in the bullpen?

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by David Tokarz on May 15, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or flip him.

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by David Tokarz on May 15, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

DO NOT RUSH GUILLEN WHATSOEVER. The longer he’s out, the fresher he will be for a stretch run.

Until he gets injured again, of course.

by handsomerob1 on May 15, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hers a new thought

I think Carlos is a little edgy.. my professional opinion he has Anxiety disorder. Hmmm would tigs use this as an excuse to 60 day DL??

by GARYAESCH on May 15, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

An already over worked bullpen…
Why not reduce it from seven to six

by JAYRC on May 16, 2010 4:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Release Everett and his .189 BA

Make Ramon the everyday, use Don in the super-utility role he was brought up for, and sit Carlos on the bench.

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by BrianCMU. on May 15, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

No backup at SS.

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by David Tokarz on May 15, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carlos if needed (makes me cringe)

if Kelly really is a true utility man, he could play short for a game or two

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by BrianCMU. on May 15, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kelly at SS

Not sure about his experience there, but watching his D’ so far this year has made me think he could play a few days per week at SS and not be tragic.

by momotigers on May 16, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think Santiago can play everyday...

…If he did we would probably see Everett esch numbers

by BennieBladesFan on May 15, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone please tell me

WHY!? Or why not, as the case may be?

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by JerseyTigerFan on May 15, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The powers that be are concerned that he will wear down and that he will be exploited if he has too many plate appearances. Whether they are right or wrong I don’t know. What I do know is that most years Everett is a good enough defender to make up for his inadequacies at the plate, to this point in the season defensive metrics would not support that conclusion

by rif23 on May 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone remember Matt Joyce

I’m sure Boesch is a much better prospect, but he will slow down like Joyce did (after being Player of the Week!!!). He’ll get sent down and learn some patience at the plate. Until then, I agree with Kurt. Boesch, Guillen, Damon (and Maggs too, since Boesch plays RF) can rotate according to match-ups and Leyland’s gut instincts. Also remember that Clete will eventually be brought up—he’s heating up and his defense is SORELY missed.

by Cecil_Fielder on May 15, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

"I'm sure Boesch is a much better prospect"

He’s not. Again, the power is really impressive, but Joyce has a better complete swing. He’s in a bad organization (the Rays) but he should get a chance soon.

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by David Tokarz on May 15, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

By what standard?

Just out of curiosity, how does one quantify Matt Joyce or Brennan Boesch being the better prospect? Boesch has the better draft position by the same team (12th round vs 3rd round, one year difference). They have nearly identical minor league stats through nearly identical plate appearances. To close on their first 64 professional plate appearances (not including the May 15 game where Boesch went 4-6), Boesch has a significant advantage vs Matt Joyce’s first 64 plate appearances in the majors. And its not close.

I absolutely agree that scouts hate Boesch’s swing. Luckily scouts haven’t seem to have told teams how to exploit that swing.

Yes, absolutely, Boesch will not push Ted Williams. But just how is Matt Joyce the superior prospect? And, by the way, I wish nothing but the best of luck to Matt Joyce.

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by jb_sf on May 16, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

well said

and would the Rays qualify as a bad organization these days? If that’s bad, I’d hate to hear the words you use for KC.

by cloud wall on May 16, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

They seem pretty well-run to me

They have done a great job dealing with the talent they have, and to extend their stars (Evan Longoria) on the cheap.

by handsomerob1 on May 16, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also let us not forget

Mr 10 HR’s in April Chris Shelton. He cooled off and hasn’t did squat sense. I do love the way Boesch has been hitting the ball, but I also agree that we have to give him time to se if he pans out brfore making any big chnages. I am for canning Carlos though. And sending Brandon th the minors? Please?

by Rick Chaffee on May 15, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone really believe

that Inge will be sent to the minors? I just don’t see these kind of statements (as purposeful as many may think they are) as furthering a serious discussion of the issue.

My sense is that Boesch will cool down (hopefully not as much as many think he will) by the time Carlos is ready to come back and this won’t be as hot a topic as it now. If he’s still hot and can’t (or won’t) be dealt than I would hope that the management will do what’s best for the team – Guillen’s feelings be damned – and platoon him via match-ups and such. In that situation, Kelly seems odd-man out.

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by JerseyTigerFan on May 15, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got a feeling...

that Inge is out of minor league options.

by madpoopz on May 16, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whats with this Guillen dislike?

The guys hitting .300 and has played great his entire tiger career…..i say put GUillen at 2nd and send down Sizemore to work on things.

by BennieBladesFan on May 15, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

The only problem

I have with Carlos is he’s injured frequently. It’s hard to count on him because he seems to end up on the DL often, way too often. We need another .300 hitter that isn’t always on the DL.

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by Detroitchik on May 15, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

He’s old and fragile, and doesn’t have the range to play in the infield (or field, for that matter) anymore. He’s a good option at DH if he’s healthy.

by handsomerob1 on May 15, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be nice

But if Carlos is one of our best 9 while healthy, then put him out there. If (when) he gets hurt again, put him on the DL again and call someone up. I agree with some others who say the best to put him might just be 2B. If he can’t play defense there, move on to Plan B. If he gets hurt, call up Sizemore again.

by cloud wall on May 15, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

…He is one of the best 9 no doubts about it.

by BennieBladesFan on May 15, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defense

Sizemore has been bad enough that Guillen at Second is sounding less and less crazy. Sizemore is on pase to be less valuable at second than Guillen was at Third in 2008. Not a preferred option, but not something to chalk up to a “nicotine addled brain”

by rif23 on May 15, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Could Boesch just be another Avila?

Remember how high on Alex Avila we were when he came up swinging? Sure, Boesch has been FANTASTIC, but I don’t think we should get too excited until we can see him maintain it. Now Avila is hitting .154. Lets wait and see.

by HJYMorley on May 15, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

couple points...

Avila is a catcher. With catchers defense always comes first.

Avila is a rookie catcher. Now since .154 is bad even for a catcher. Ok really really bad. I’m giving Avila a bit of slack for playing the most physically demanding position on the field in what is essentially a tandem role with Gerald Laird, who by the way, isn’t hitting great either.

But the over exuberant praise is mostly “caught up in the moment, having fun while it lasts.” Most of us around here know that reality hits hard. We’re seeing it now and will probably see it with Brennan. The important thing to look for is progress back toward above mediocrity.

by madpoopz on May 16, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those projected stats Al mentioned

from Baseball-Reference:

.361/.375/.656 with an OPS of 1.031
210 hits
29 HR
162 RBI (!)
19 BB

Those are pretty stupid. I’m all aboard the Boeschwagon, but I know he’ll cool down at some point. The hope is that he’s able to re-adjust to MLB pitching once they adjust to him. He’ll get better in the field too (and hopefully stop running into fences…) in time.

by handsomerob1 on May 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Guillen to 2B

Scott Sizemore goes down. CG and Ramon platoon there. Plus Ramon platoons with Everett at SS.
Batting order looks like this
CF Jackson
LF/DH Damon
RF/DH Ordonez
1B Cabrera
RF/LF/DH Boesch
2B/DH Guillen
3B Inge
C Laird
SS Santiago
Now that looks like a playoff contender. Guillen defense cant be to much worse then what we have now

by The Duke of Ankh on May 15, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Guillen to second makes to much sense

To bad he spends 90% of his life on the DL and has stone hands and no glove.
However, I still feel that he would bring better defense than Sizemore who was obviously rushed. The kicker would also be another plus bat in the lineup.
At least until Sizemore developed!
Maybe not fulltime duty but him and Santiago (Raburn when he returns) etc could share duties.

by JAYRC on May 15, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sizemore was rushed?

News to me.

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by David Tokarz on May 15, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not but YES

Just ask Kurt.. His lack of defense and bonehead plays have had me concerned since his Lakeland days.
Last night he gets hung up between second and third and countless times this season mental lapses have hindered him.
Maybe he will never gain more “baseball knowledge”. IMO he has simply been rushed. He missed half a season in Lakeland and most of the AFL due to injury. Splitting time between AA n AAA in one year was kinda aggresive.
Don’t get it twisted buddy…
Great kid & tremendous upside. However he had some BIG shoes to spell Polly.
Again just my opinion but yes he was rushed!

by JAYRC on May 15, 2010 9:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good point about the injury time

However, the dude is approaching the down-slope of his 20’s and has been successful with the bat throughout his milb career, which includes all sorts of A’s, AA’s and AAA’s. I think another year in AAA would have been a bit of overkill. And if we’re talking about a half year in Toledo, what does the big club do at 2B while waiting? Re-signing Polly means Sizemore is down all year and don’t think we should have relied on an in-house band-aid until Sizemore put in a half year.

by momotigers on May 16, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

a good example

was Nate. I like Ingey boy, myself. He’s a great defensive player. I never expect Inge to bat better than .250 or so in a season. I like him for his mad skills at 3rd.

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by Detroitchik on May 15, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I just used him as an example because someone above said to demote him

and he & opie are usually the most common when it comes to requesting such a move, haha

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by allikazoo on May 15, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd for knowledge

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by Detroitchik on May 15, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

BUT I AM ROSTERBATING!

Don’t ruin my fantasy.

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by 13194013 on May 15, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question

who are the Tiugers? And why would Carlos Guillen be their Mr. Irrelevant?

by CMonroe on May 15, 2010 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Los Tiugers of Tijauna

A minor league kickball team known for stabbing people in the parking lot after games.

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by 13194013 on May 15, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Move Inge to SS

As for creative ideas, what about moving CG to 3B and Inge to SS? Release Everett to open the roster spot. Defense would take a hit, but at this point in Inge’s career his hitting is not much better than a typical SS.

by MR_AZ on May 16, 2010 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

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