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Rick Porcello, Dontrelle Willis lead Tigers under- and over-performers in April

At the end of the first month, we've got a bit more information about the team than we had at the end of spring training. After all, the games are real now. The pitchers are trying to win; the hitters are trying to win; the managers are trying to win. But how much can we really read into it?

These things we know: Dontrelle Willis has the best ERA in the rotation; Rick Porcello has the worst. Austin Jackson has one of the hottest starts a rookie could ask for, lacking but for power. Alex Avila could hardly buy a hit.

During a 162-game season, a lot is subject to change. To get a feel of who we could expect to take a step back and who we think will show improvement, the easiest way is to glance at a few stats that sum up the story nice and easy. They won't tell all the story, but they'll tell part of it.

If you want reason to worry a bit, the sheer number of over-performing players on the team right now is amazing. As always, remember these are long-run predictions. Nothing in them says a player must immediately turn things around or fall off a cliff.

Today we'll look at the pitchers. Tomorrow, the batters.

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First, a quick note about the stats. I use xFIPP rather than FIP because it is a slightly better predictor of what you can expect happen. It's available at Fangraphs.com. I also included Baseball Prospectus' new pitching predictor, SIERA. The reason I look at these numbers is that they use stats a pitcher can control -- walks, strikeouts, etc -- rather rather than just tell you the results. Both numbers are scaled to ERA so you can easily see how much better or worse a pitcher is doing and both are better predictors than ERA. These numbers are for entering play Sunday.

Pitchers you could expect to take a step forward

Player ERA xFIP SIERA BABIP LOB%
Rick Porcello 8.03 4.25 4.04 0.427 60.3
Justin Verlander 5.53 4.23 3.99 0.325 61.5
Jeremy Bonderman 5.74 4.00 4.18 0.329 51.1
Brad Thomas 6.92 5.65 5.71 0.367 63.0

 

As I've been proclaiming, Rick Porcello has had a combination of bad location and bad luck. The Tigers went to the video and found his arm slot was ever-so-slightly off and feel like they've fixed that. However it's easy to see he was getting nickled-and-dimed too. A glance at Fangraphs.com will show you his line drive percentage is better, his strikeouts and walks are better, his contact percentage is the same and yet his results are worse.

Jeremy Bonderman is another guy who is pitching worse than his peripherals. He's having problems getting out of innings, as you can see. He's also getting a bit unlucky. The same could be said for Justin Verlander.

Fangraphs recently took a look at which MLB pitchers were having the biggest under- or over-performances this season. Both Porcello and Bonderman were on the Top 10 list.

Finally, you can see reliever Brad Thomas is not having the best of luck either. Even adjusted his pitching isn't really that good. But it's not as bad as it's been.

Pitchers you could expect to take a step backward

Player ERA xFIP SIERA BABIP LOB%
Dontrelle Willis 3.75 4.88 5.02 0.307 79.6
Phil Coke 1.93 4.98 5.03 0.350 81.8
Jose Valverde 0.75 3.79 2.97 0.129 93
Fu-Te Ni 1.54 4.27 3.87 0.259 77.8
Eddie Bonine 1.35 4.43 4.08 0.171 100

 

Dontrelle Willis is the only starter in this bunch. He's stranding runners at a pretty high pace compared to his career norms. He isn't striking out a lot, and he's walking fewer batters. But he's still giving too many free bases and you could expect that to catch up to him in the long run.

The rest are relievers, and due to the limited number of innings they throw during any single month of the season you probably shouldn't take their xFIP and SIERA as gospel. However, given Jose Valverde's career norms -- his 2010 ground ball rate is twice his norm, his BABIP is half the norm, his left-on-base percentage is way better -- I feel comfortable in guessing he's going to take a step back.

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what about zumaya?

or does he not enter the conversation because we’re used to him getting hurt by july..

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by allikazoo on May 3, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

zing indeed

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by David Tokarz on May 3, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

ouch

nice

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by JoelZumayaKegStand on May 3, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, it was a serious question

haha

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by allikazoo on May 3, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

any pitcher left out is performing about as you'd expect

and should vary a bit but do OK for himself.

Long as Zumaya as healthy, he’s an incredible pitcher. No one has ever debated that. Just have to keep him healthy.

by Kurt Mensching on May 3, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

Also, does anyone else think we should play “Down Under” by Men at Work every time he comes into a game?

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by David Tokarz on May 3, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thomas needs a demotion!

Gallaraga or Figaro need to be brought up.
Player W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR HB BB SO WHIP HLD GF
Armando Galarraga 3 2 2.30 5 5 0 0 0 31.1 24 8 8 2 2 6 28 0.96 0 0
Alfredo Figaro 3 1 2.76 5 5 0 0 0 29.1 28 9 9 1 0 9 21 1.26 0 0
Rayburn down

by Marcmargolis on May 3, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I apologize...

for accidentally starting the Ryan “Rayburn” trend over the weekend. 1,000 apologies.

Where is Randy Smith when you need him?

by trross1200 on May 3, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marc always does this.

It’s okay.

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by David Tokarz on May 3, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've said it before

“Rayburn” is just the bad version of Raburn, much like bad JV is Jason Verlander.

by Rob Rogacki on May 3, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like that!

"There's no crying in baseball"

by VegasTigers on May 3, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

R-A-B-U-R-N

It’s not hard.

Dontrelle Willis apologist.

by 13194013 on May 3, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

I like that

Welcome to Detroit, NO sissies allowed

by Detroitchik on May 3, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I appreciate the stats

but are there some “average” numbers for xFIP and SIERA that we could compare to? What should we expect to see out of a Verlander or Porcello-type pitcher? I’m specifically interested in Porcello to see how off he’s been or if he’s just getting unlucky.

by Rob Rogacki on May 3, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

That's what those numbers are--projections

They tell us what we should expect to see. Otherwise check out ZIPS projections on fangraphs for them if you want other projections for the rest of the season.

by baum on May 3, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah...

his BABIP tells us that he’s been pretty unlucky thus far.

by madpoopz on May 3, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Galaraga needs to be in Detroit....

…..one way or anotehr….Never unserstood why he didnt make the team in the first palce….The guy can flat out pitch and deserves to be oin motown….he had one bad season.

by BennieBladesFan on May 3, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Mmm

I was a huge proponent of keeping him in the minors this year (last year was so very painful, and spring training this year was just as bad), but he has shown some flashes from his rookie year this last month, so maybe it IS time to bring him back. The problem is there isn’t really a place to put him, unless we put Brad Thomas on waivers. For the moment, I like keeping him starting at AAA, because at some point you can be sure Bondo, Scherzer, or Willis will go down, and we will need someone to step right into the role. If he is pitching well, I think Galaraga is much more valuable as a starter than a middle reliever.

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by ewild on May 3, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I should actually read people’s comments before I type my own replies

by baum on May 3, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly....

chances are that we will need a starter at some point. Galarraga is our guy in case of a double header or injury to one of our starters (or total meltdown). For at least this season Galarraga is our insurance policy as long as he pitches well in the minors.

by madpoopz on May 3, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Galarraga needs Detroit more than Detroit needs Galarraga, if that makes sense

And while he had one bad season, he also only had one decent season. And that’s all it was, not great but not terrible.

by baum on May 3, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

two things

1) there’s no where to put him
2) he’s pitching against minor leaguers.

At some point, an injury bug will bite someone and he’ll be in the rotation. Til then I’m not worried either way.

by Kurt Mensching on May 3, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

One think I noticed about this blog is there is not enough love for Willis…I think he has done everything we asked and Bondo….

by Semir313 on May 3, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Realistically, Dontrelle has done better than anyone expected.

Hopefully he can keep it up.

Also: boo to your Sharks and A’s.

Dontrelle Willis apologist.

by 13194013 on May 3, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

and realistically...

everything points to him not doing better than expected for long and at least regressing to “expected.”

by madpoopz on May 3, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he'll be better than "expected"

mostly because everyone “expected” him to be gone by now.

by Rob Rogacki on May 3, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flaw in stats

Not sure if i read it here or somewhere else but isn’t “the cleaners” high line-drive rate something to look at as a reason for the high BABIP not to go down?

by The Duke of Ankh on May 3, 2010 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

his line drive rate is driving the BABIP

but it’s the line drive rate that will come down unless hes a historic hitter

by Kurt Mensching on May 3, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even then

His BABIP is .500- that’s impossible to sustain.

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by David Tokarz on May 3, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what Kurt and I have been working on for the last hour or so.

Interesting results lie ahead!

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by Mike Rogers on May 3, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

if I ever get a chance to finish

don’t blame me if the recap is empty because I forgot there was a game on, ok folks?

by Kurt Mensching on May 3, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

More on Jackson:

highest LD% over the last 3 years is David Wright at 24.7%. Figgins next at 24.3%. Only 7 hitters >23% and one more at 22.9%.

So Austin Jackson has to be as good of a hitter as Wright, Figgins, Freddy Sanchez, Michael Young, Manny Ramirez, Todd Helton, Ryan Howard and James Loney to even be an elite LD bat.

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by Mike Rogers on May 3, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

D-Train Will Regress

As soon as he signs an extension or new contract.

by redwingxviii on May 3, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Galarraga will see time in Detroit

You just simply don’t ever use the same 5 starters for an entire season. Ever. He’s the #1 candidate to be called up in the event of an injury or double-header or something.

Question: what if Porcello is still generating the same results at Memorial Day? How long should the leash be? I know the indicators are some bad luck, but results matter too. You don’t win divisions with an unsustainable BABiP. Of course, the Tigers never win divisions anyway…

by ChrisDTX on May 3, 2010 4:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What's the option other than Porcello?

Galarraga?

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by Mike Rogers on May 3, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Call Charlie Hough

I’m sure he can still throw 3854254 knuckleballs.

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by 13194013 on May 3, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The question is

how long do you let Porcello get whacked around before going to a AAA option, whether it be Galarraga, Figaro or whoever? This will probably be moot since RP is more likely than not to turn it around, but still…how long do you give him. I say until the start of interleague play (June).

by ChrisDTX on May 3, 2010 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

For me? August.

And even then I don’t know if I send him down. I understand that results matter, but these aren’t things that are in his control and he’s not a Jarrod Washburn (i.e. aging vet that doesn’t affect the future). Rick Porcello is a big league pitcher, and he’s made improvements across the board.

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by Mike Rogers on May 3, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a big league pitcher all right

And I do think he’ll get it together, maybe as soon as his next start. If he’s still crapping the bed in August, it probably won’t matter, though.

by ChrisDTX on May 3, 2010 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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