Minor League Matters: Right Handed Pitcher Depth Charts
Back with another installment of the depth charts. You know the routine by now- lets get to it!
Statistics used: IP, FIP, K/BB, K/9, BABIP, GB%- and adding HR/9 (oops)
MLB
Justin Verlander- 27 years old
2009 (MLB): 240 IP, 2.85 FIP, 269/63 K/BB, 10.9 K/9, 0.8 HR/9, .327 BABIP, 37% GB
Jeremy Bonderman- 27 years old
2009 (MLB): DNP (enough)
2009 (MLB): 170.2 IP, 4.82 FIP, 89/52 K/BB, 4.7 K/9, 1.2 HR/9, .280 BABIP, 56% GB
2009 (MLB): 170.1 IP, 3.83 FIP, 174.63 K/BB, 9.2 K/9, 1.1 HR/9, .316 BABIP, 43% GB
I won't bore you too much with my takes on these four guys- Verlander's an ace, Bondo needs to learn to pitch after his injury, Kid Rick is overrated but still has all the potential in the world (and is improving) and Max Scherzer is underrated (but needs to learn to adjust to the AL). Onto the prospects!
AAA/AA
Armando Galarraga- 28 years old
2009 (MLB): 178.2 IP, 5.52 FIP, 126/61 K/BB, 6 K/9, 1.4 HR/9, .306 BABIP, 41% GB
The difference in Armando's production between 2008 and 2009 was due to regression of his BABIP, a decrease in groundballs, increase in walk rate and decrease in strikeout rate. Armando will never put up another season like 2008 again- but he has a chance to be a #4 or a #5 if he can get his non-BABIP numbers back to 2008's levels.
2009 (AA): 80 IP, 3.63 FIP, 69/23 K/BB, 7.8 K/9, 0.9 HR/9, .268 BABIP, 46% GB
I like Alfredo- he's a righty with solid velocity- a sinker that sits at 92-95, with a change, curve and slider. BA and Sickles disagree on the quality of his secondary pitches- Sickles hates his breaking balls and hypes his changeup, and BA hates his changeup and hypes his breaking balls. Regardless, he's got a small frame and a lot of scouts believe that that will force him into the bullpen. He'll either end up a setup guy or a 4th starter, and while I'm hoping he starts, I'm not quite convinced.
2009 (AA): 75.1 IP, 4.07 FIP, 44/18 K/BB, 5.3 K/9, 0.8 HR/9, .303 BABIP, 43% GB
2009 (A+): 67.2 IP, 3.67 FIP, 40/11 K/BB, 5.3 K/9, 0.8 HR/9, .236 BABIP, 60% GB
I looked for about 15 minutes for a scouting report on Mr. Weber, and I can't find one that's not behind a paywall. So if anyone knows anything specific about his stuff, I'd appreciate a heads up. It seems to be average- that would explain the low strikeout rate, which to me is the big red flag. Otherwise, his numbers aren't bad, but there's nothing in his profile to expect anything besides a #4 or #5 starter if everything breaks right.
2009 (A+): 134 IP, 3.93 FIP, 123/40 K/BB, 8.3 K/9, 1 HR/9, .299 BABIP, 35% GB
A righthander with a high flyball rate, Gagnier has an average fastball and a decent change. His numbers show a good FIP and decent strikeout rate, but he was a 24 year old beating up on kids in A ball, so the numbers mislead here. He's probably going to slide into the bullpen at the upper levels, and if he makes it, that's where it'll be.
A+/A/SS
2009 (A): 149.1 IP, 3.43 FIP, 115/47 K/BB, 6.9 K/9, 0.2 HR/9, .319 BABIP, 63% GB
I like Putkonen. He's not the greatest prospect in the system, and a 24 year old in A ball is a bit worrisome, but his groundball rate pops- 60% is Porcello territory, and while that doesn't mean he'll be as good as Rick longterm, it profiles well for his future. He has a sinker that he throws in the low 90's, and a good slider as well as a change and curve. If he does well at Lakeland, I'd love to see him try his stuff at Erie in the second half of the year. He could turn out to be a solid #4 inning eater type, and that's nice to have around.
Brayan Villareal- 23 years old
2009 (A): 103.1 IP, 3.29 FIP, 118/34 K/BB, 10.3 K/9, 0.4 HR/9, .325 BABIP, 42% GB
Another pitcher I like. It's easy to see why- that K/9 is in Verlander territory, and he doesn't give up many homers at all. He's small and a Tommy John survivor, but his stuff is really good. He's got a fastball that hits 97 (but sits in the mid 90's), a great slider (BA says it's the best in the system) and a changeup in progress. He also features great control. If you want a breakout player, it's this guy. Sure, he may not be a Verlander in the future, and BA seems to think he'll head to the bullpen, but I'd say he ends up as a #2 starter if everything breaks right- and he stays healthy.
2009 (A+): 34 IP, 5.64 FIP, 17/7 K/BB, 4.5 K/9, 1.9 HR/9, .370 BABIP, 51% GB
2009 (A): 92.1 IP, 3.66 FIP, 52/20 K/BB, 5.1 K/9, 0.3 HR/9, .289 BABIP, 50% GB
Sorensen isn't a great prospect, but he put up a decent line in A ball and has good stuff, so I figured I'd include him. He's a groundball pitcher but doesn't strike a lot of guys out. His fastball sits in the low 90's and draws him grounders, and he has a pretty good slider and average change. His numbers in A+ are inflated by a bad home run ratio, probably an issue with sample size, but he's got potential provided he can draw a few more strikeouts or grounders. He's a #5 starter if everything breaks right.
Jacob Turner- 19 years old
2009: DNP
Jacob Turner is one of my favorite pitching prospects. He's a power arm of the highest caliber, with a fastball that sits in the low to mid 90's but touches 97-98. His curve is very good for his age and profiles as a plus pitch, as does his changeup. His command is also good for his age, and all he really needs is time to develop. And get healthy- health is Turner's biggest enemy. Provided his forearm tightness isn't a major problem, he'll be a good one- he's got the ceiling of an ace, and has been called a "Justin Verlander starter kit". Here's to hoping.
2009 (GCL): 50.2 IP, 3.93 FIP, 55/37 K/BB, 9.8 K/9, 0.2 HR/9, .349 BABIP, 49% GB
First, those numbers are meaningless. 500 innings in the GCL would be useless, let alone 50. Factor in that Lebron was beating up on kids younger than him, and the numbers are especially useless. Lebron has a great fastball- it sits in the mid to upper 90's, which is great. His curveball has a ton of potential and his change is average. The one interesting number in that set is his strikeout ratio- which is good even for 50 innings in rookie ball. 2009 will be a big year for Lebron- if he can put up a line like that at West Michigan, we may have something.
2009 (A-): 42.1 IP, 3.45 FIP, 34/20 K/BB, 7.2 K/9, 0.0 HR/9, .278 BABIP, 66% GB
Newman can draw the grounder, all right. His fastball is fringy- it sits in the low 90's- but it sinks pretty well, thus meaning that the ball stays on the ground. He's athletic, and also features a curve with potenital and an average changeup. He has potential- he went in the 10th round in 2008 but did not sign- but don't bet the house on him.
Final Thoughts
The Tigers are always deep in pitching, and this group is pretty good. Jacob Turner is a wonderful prospect if healthy, and there's plenty of live arms in here. I'm particularly high on Brayan Villareal, Luke Putkonen and Alfredo Figaro (though he'll probably head to the 'pen and disappoint me). There's some good stuff to be found here if you look for it.
Up next (and sooner than 2 weeks this time), relievers in the high minors!
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DD loves drafting pitchers.
Seems like a good investment but I am still worried about the position player cupboard.
Dontrelle Willis apologist.
Between the two, I'd focus on pitching in the draft
The cost of acquiring starting pitching other than growing starters in the system is just astronomical. Few good ones even make it to the free agent market any more as their clubs spin them off and swap them for buckets of young talent. A mediocre fourth starter gets a sick amount of money as a free agent, and they’re generally not even available in a trade. Pitchers that come over from the NL are a bust half the time, and even pitchers that have been successful don’t necessarily continue that success from one season to the next. I’d be stockpiling good pitchers as much as possible, and if you have a surplus, they’re the most valuable commodity to have when trading for position players. I’d rather go out and try to trade for a shortstop than a starting pitcher.
This, to some degree
There’s got to be balance, but seeking out high-upside arms is not only a strategy that works well for us, but one that seems fundamentally sound.
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I'd like to see DD go with a lot of 'safe' college bats this draft.
It’s not quite stocked like 2008 was with college bats, but it’s got a good amount of them. This is where the no first round pick hurts, but there’s bats that should be available later in the draft.
My philosophy is pretty much always best player available, but i wouldn’t mind it if DD focused on safe bats to sturdy the position player side of things.
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Go big or not at all
You can get 2-3 WAR players on the free agent market for relatively cheap (see Kelly Johnson, Adam Everett, Gerald Laird, Johnny Damon, etc…). You can’t get impact players.
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Everett is more like an 0.9 WAR
I’d rather promote Dlugach than suffer another season of him, especially since Leyland won’t sit him against RHP’s. Opie doesn’t belong in the same sentence with Damon in terms of value.
Who says the safe bats are only 2-3 WAR players?
I mean safe as in high floors, but that doesn’t mean they have low ceilings.
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That is true
I think I misunderstood you- I’d like to avoid a Matt Antonelli type with a low ceiling but getting a good college bat with a high floor and a reasonably high ceiling would be nice.
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Right right.
That’s what I meant. Like what the Pads did in 2008, sans the Dykstra pick.
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Turner
When you say health is the enemy, is that just in the usual 18-year-old flamethrower way, or is there an injury history beyond the current forearm thing?
I don't want to hear any weak sh*t from Jason Grilli.
The usual 18-year-old flamethrower way
No, there’s no injury history that I know of. He’s healthy, he’s got good mechanics and he seems smart enough to learn.
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Some biomechanics guys aren't thrilled with his mechanics.
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if you get on twitter, or on his blog I guess
nick underhill might have stuff to say about weber
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No Run Support
Luis Marte
seems to have fallen off the radar, after being sent to the bullpen this season. Big shame, IMO, because he has sick stuff when he’s healthy, and it doesn’t seem that his injuries were related, or likely to be a recurring issue. Luis doesn’t have the huge frame that DD likes, no- requires, from a RHP, but I’ve been tracking him since his days in the DSL. He has been as good or better than Figaro every step of the way, and flew past Alfredo for a period of time until Figaro became Rule 5 eligible a year sooner. Luis is still on my radar, but I’d bet on DD trading him or letting him get lost in the shuffle with all the arms we have in the system.
He's in the bullpen
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Crosby update?
Great post! I was noticing no mention of Crosby, and was just wondering if you knew of any update on his injury status? I’ve been MIA from the baseball world for a couple weeks, and was curious.
Nevermind....
RIGHT-handed pitchers…RIGHT. I. Am. Blind.
by CoreyMichaelDC on May 4, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No problem
We know nothing right now- I’ll have a fanshot as soon as I know something.
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Always deep?
The Tigers are always deep in pitching
how long have you been following this team? unless you really liked Maroth.
Just teasing, good article.
Haha
Correction: …since David Chadd took over…
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Weber
You should be able to pull some numbers from his time in the Arizona Fall League. Pitch f/x isn’t exactly a scouting report, but it’s a start.
Thanks
I’ll keep that in mind.
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Ohhh, I smell me a challenge!
David, I’ll take a look at Weber for you.
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Bah!
Brooks Baseball changed so I can’t access AFL data. I sent him an email though.
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