Tigers' questionable defense and dormant offense hand Twins a 5-1 victory
A list of things I hate:
1. The Minnesota Twins
There is no number 2. Nothing else comes close.
Regardless, I have a game recap to write, as the Tigers' 9 game road trip came to a fitful end this afternoon with a 5-1 loss to the Twins. Though I think the above admission of HATEHATEHATE pretty much says it all about any Tigers trip into the wilds of Minneapolis.
Today's loss gives me even more reason to despise the team that always has the Tigers' number at home. Always, be it in the late, unlamented Baqggiedome or in brand spanking new Target Field.
The Tigers ended their road trip against playoff contenders at 3-5, but today's loss droped the Tigers 1.5 games back of the Twins in the Central. More disconcerting is the fact the surging White Sox are only .5 game behind the Tigers. After tonight's action the Sox may find themselves in a tie with the Tigers for 2nd.
On the bright side, and there is a bright side, the Tigers are only 1.5 games back of the Twins despite the losing record on the road trip. Even better, there's 6 games upcoming in Detroit against the last place Mariners and Orioles, starting Friday night.
It's time to make hay in the win column.
As for the game itself, what's to say? It was as damn near as sucktastic as last night's loss.
Once Miguel Cabrera doubled home Magglio Ordonez in the 4th, the offense disappeared. The Tigers must have thought the alarm sirens going off at Target Field (ATTENTION! ATTENTION!) at the time were a sign they were to duck and cover, and pack it in for the afternoon. Packing it in is exactly what they did against Twins starter Kevin Slowey.
There were mild threats to score in the 8th and 9th, but as has been the Tigers' M.O. all season, they couldn't get a hit with RISP.
As for Sloweys counterpart, Tigers rookie Andy Oliver...he was...how should I put it?
Well, he was OK. Not great, but the kid did pitch well enough to keep the Tigers in the game. Although he got no help from his own defense. His throwing error in the 5th led to a pair of unearned runs, breaking open what had been a tie game.
Oliver also received no help from his outfield defense -- I'm looking at you, Johnny Damon-- as Damon butchered a wind blown fly ball in the 6th, which became a Jason Kubel double. Kubel proceeded to score when Damon bobbled Michael Cuddeyer's single.
Damon played both balls like a DH...which is where he should be getting all of his playing time. (Not that Jim Leyland is reading....but just in case....Uh, Jim? DAMON IS A DH!) Not that it would have made any difference, as the Tigers weren't going to beat the Twins today.
At least the Tigers won't have to play the Twins for quite some time...an entire week. The games will be at Comerica Park, where the Twins' mojo over the Tigers isn't as effective.
Thank goodness for small favors...
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Funny you mention Damon’s defense, because they were just praising it on Fangraphs earlier today: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-older-guys/
Not saying either is right or wrong, it probably lies somewhere in the middle, but do we really have better options for LF right now with Magglio banged up?
Both Damon and Magglio are near average corner outfielders.
It’s important to keep in mind that the average corner outfielder is a pretty bad defender.
wow that was brutal
tried to get some beers and fries, and the sprinkler went off at the concession stand… there was an alarm, too, but i don’t think it could have been loud enough to be on the broadcasts?
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and TV
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by JerseyTigerFan on Jul 1, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
quite loud
We we chuckling about it in the gamethread. :)
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Didn't realize it was a day game
Was all ready to get home and catch the end of the Tigers winning back first place, after a really shitty ultimate frisbee game (we’re not going to win a game all season, but this was the suckiest suckfest yet), and now there’s not only no game, but the Tigers have already lost? That’s a whole ’nother ball of suck.
Need to get away in the worst way…so it’s a good thing I’m heading home for a few days tomorrow, eh? :)
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Spot on!
That has been one of the major problems with this team the last 3-4 years. Too many DH’s playing the corner outfield positions. Maggs, Damon, Sheffield, Thames…misplaying just about anything that isn’t hit right to them. As a team, Tigers give away too many extra at-bats to the other teams. Pitching staff does not help themselves with poor fielding and not being in proper position to field balls hit up the middle. And don’t get me started on walks to the #9 hitter. Other than a few bright spots defensively (Jackson, Cabrera, Inge) poor defense is making it difficult to win close games.
What poor defense?
See Bilfer.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 1, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice article, nice stats
As with any almost any argument a person can find numbers and stats to back up their side. Bottom line, if you watch almost every game (and I rarely miss one), I defy you to answer honestly and objectively and tell me this isn’t a poor defensive team overall. Errors are extra at-bats which mean more pitches thrown which means more stress on staff. In addition, way too many plays which do not go as errors because guys with little range don’t even get to balls that decent defensive players make (Yes, I’m talking to you Magglio, Damon and Guillen specifically).
you already said that, jud
Plus, it’s not a good enough argument. You can’t just call all statistics witchcraft and yell “I know what I saw!” You ought to at least be able to articulate what is wrong with these statistics in particular.
You are frustrated by what you see in this team on defense. But so are the fans of every team every time their team makes an error or doesn’t to a playable ball. And stacked up objectively against the rest of the league, the Tigers apparently aren’t that bad at defense. You may still trust your gut over those hocus-pocus stats, but don’t expect the rest of us to do so on faith.
That's why Bilfer went to 5 different statistical measurements.
Cherry picking usually involves only selecting data that supports your argument. Bilfer went with the known defensive metrics To get an overall picture. If three different measurements are positive, one neutral and one bad, that is usually an indicator that things are going well.
Eyes and statistics go hand in hand in baseball; your eyes can lie and so can statistics.
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Who are you defying to answer honestly and objectively?
Didn’t Billfer just do that with that article? Isn’t that exactly what he’s doing?
To answer your three questions in order
1. Somebody who agrees with him.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 2, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
On the bright side.....
Luke Scott pulled a hamstring last night, probably DL bound, and we play 3 vs. the Orioles starting on Monday.
Exactly
Hope it’s not long-term, but it’s nice to have him out.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 1, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He said he pulled it during the swing
But it didn’t really start hurting until he was already running.
Since the series is over
are we done with the generic Twins hate now? It’s getting tacky.
In a long distance relationship with the Tigers--and, yes, we're doing fine.
Denard is a stupid name!
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by JerseyTigerFan on Jul 2, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
He can suck my Denards.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 2, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Just look at the Twins?
Moreanu is Canadian (sorry, but that is a minus) Mauer won’t shave his damned sideburns, Nick Punto is alive, Denard Span is alive, Kubel is afraid of fire and all their pitchers are factory refurbished clones. How can you not hate them?
Ryan Raburn antagonist.
1.5 games IS close.
The Tigers have their issues, but the Twinkies are nothing to write home about, either. No team wins 90 games in this division.
Probably because they're the Lions
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