Trade Deadline?
by JMW62689 on Jul 21, 2010 4:56 PM EDT
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PrintAs we near the Trade deadline i think we should very carefully examine our roster. Look i am of the view that we cannot win this division this year unless we pull off a huge trade, unfortantly i also think is extremely foolish to let a very young Porcello go through a trade and since we are already low in Left handed pitching i think it is also foolish to try to send away Casey Crosby or Andrew Oliver in a trade for anything other than a star Lefty or Hanley Ramirez which both are totally unrealistic so i myself would stay away from trading such pieces period. This is why i think why we are going after Ted Lilly because we wouldn't have to give up much for him. Dambroski wants to win but he also wants to keep our top pieces for the future, and i am sorry but i just don't see us winning without another big bat in the lineup. That is why i am going to say what i am going to say.
With all the teams in the hunt for a playoff spot this year there are very few teams selling and of the teams selling not many have the kind of stuff the buyers want. The Tigers however do have a few pieces who could provide a punch for some other team and with a shortage of these type of players around the Tigers could make out in a deal.
Magglio Ordonez: Why we do it- His contract is up at the end of this year and he is not getting any younger. Yes he does have a great bat right now and his Defense is ok the fact of the matter is he just doesn't have a ton left and its not a sure thing he resigns next year anyway which is why i say we start shopping him. We would probably still have to pay the majority of his contract but it doesn't really bother me cause i think they should just promote Jeff Frazier to take his spot.
Why People would want him- A team could use him as the starting Right Fielder and would get a very nice bat to add to the lineup. A move like this could be the differance between sitting at home watching come October or playing for a ring.
Carlos Guillen: Why we would do it- I believe his contract is up too. He is aging fast and is rapidly declining defensively.
Why people would want him- they can add a strong bat to the lineup and add a guy who could fill in at multiple positions and be a great DH
Those are the main two guys i would shop but i would listen to offers for Bonderman and Gallaraga too.
If i was going to make a trade i would try everything possible to get Ryan Domit and Hanley Ramirez but thats just unrealistic.
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They’re both covered under the “ten and five” rule, so you’d have to convince either to go for a trade. In any case, you wouldn’t get a good return for Carlos Guillen.
If our biggest problem is the lack of a bat, then how does trading two good bats solve that?
Magglio's contract isn't up at the end of the year
It’s got an option that’s going to vest for next season. There’s almost no way he doesn’t reach the requirements for that to happen (and I’m ok with that). Suggesting Jeff Frazier should take his spot is just insane. And if Carlos Guillen is such a great trade chip, why wouldn’t we just keep him? There’s no way that anyone is going to take on that contract, as he’s going to be around for next season as well for much more than he’s actually worth.
Why exactly would you want Ryan Doumit? He’s almost exactly league average this year (below average OBP, though the OPS overall is pretty good for a catcher), and is probably the worst defensive catcher this side of Mike Napoli. He wouldn’t be that hard to acquire, and he’s absolutely not someone the Tigers should be looking to acquire. You’re correct that Hanley Ramirez isn’t very possible though, and thanks for not suggesting that. It gets realllllllllly tiring hearing that repeatedly.
by ozymandius1024 on Jul 22, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions
Yes
Because massive injuries can always be predicted.
by ozymandius1024 on Jul 26, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If you do keep them
Where do we get another bat? 4 out of or top 5 hitters are OFs that rules out trading for an OF bat because it just doesn’t make sense. Then the other guy in the top 5 is firmly planted at 1st and the guys at 6 and 7 are cemented in at 2nd and 3rd although one is injured right now. A DH makes no sense in a trade because it is going to be taking out one of the outfielders every night. So that leaves SS and C, You are not going to find a good hitting C that matches Lairds defense so that rules out C, SS is the guy you are looking for and right now in the league there isn’t to many great bats at that spot and basically non existent on teams that are selling right now. If you could swing a trade for Stephen Drew without giving up Porcello then i would swing it, especially if you could just grab his teammate at 3rd base.
Also
Pitching is said to be a bad spot, i however disagree. I look at it as though Verlander and Porcello haven’t pitched at their potential yet this year. Bondo and Scherzer are pitching probably as good as they will but haven’t been at all bad, same with Gallaraga. So if Porcello and Verlander get back to dominate form then we will have a good rotation. Still need a LHP though
Trade
Oliver, Wilkin Ramirez and Bonderman/Ni for Haren. Gagnier as a kicker, if needed
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Word is Arizona wants Turner
Ian tweeted about it but the link was to an ESPN Insider article.
by Rob Rogacki on Jul 23, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahhh &%#@$&%!$
They would. To me, Turner is the only guy in our system who should be untouchable.
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I think including Turner in a Haren deal is wise
Jacob Turner is 19. He’s not dominating this year. He has three levels to go through to get to Detroit. His arm might not respond well to a professional baseball workload.
The best case scenario is that he’ll get to Detroit in 2011 or 2012 and be a solid, cheap contributor for 3-4 years before he hits arbitration and free agency. That’s if EVERYTHING goes right. The worst case scenario is that he doesn’t develop or gets injured…both of which have to be considered possible, if not probable.
Haren is proven and we would get 3+ years from him, relatively cheap, while we KNOW that our team is close to winning the division. (Who knows what sort of team we will be fielding when Turner hits the big squad?).
Plus, we can always draft a quality hotshot college pitcher next year if we’re worried about losing the prospects.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
I would trade Turner a thousand times
before I traded Porcello for the exact reasons that you pointed out. A rotation of Verlander-Scherzer-Haren-Porcello-Jim Leyland’s wife would be the best in the majors. If that 5th starter turns out to be another one of the fairly promising arms in the rotation?
::changes shorts:::
That would be awesome.
Haha
Looks like that’s out.
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Daniel Fields is better than you.
by David Tokarz on Jul 23, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Word is
Haren could be heading to the Yankees for Joba, McAllister and another ML arm. Yankees have to ruin everything
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Seriously?
That’s what they want? DD, just throw in Turner and its a done deal.
by Rob Rogacki on Jul 24, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I know, right?
Turner, Oliver and Fien would probably get that done easily.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 24, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Joba ate the other prospects in the package.
The Yankees are working around the clock to salvage what they can from Joba’s stomach.
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Maggio is out!
The Tigers are finish, for this year, why not bring up some minor League players and let them learn! Inge is out Joel Z is out and now Magglio is out and so you better be looking for infielders, and S.S 2nd. 3rd. and good power hitter for the out field.
NEWS FLASH JUST IN
Angels acquire 3 time All-Star Dan Haren from Dbacks for Joe Saunders and 2 prospects.
"I’d probably get arrested because football’s my only time I get to go out there and hit people as hard as I can, and it’s legal," Follett said. "I need that once a year."
Trade everyone for David Eckstein.
Call it a franchise, move to outer Mongolia.
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Haha
Made me think of this.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 29, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
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