You want trade rumors? We got trade rumors! - UPDATED
What's the latest on the trade front? Well, I'm glad you asked!
According to Fox Sports' Jon Paul Morosi, there's quite a bit going on...rumor-wise.
On Thursday (scroll down to 1:45 am), Morosi once again confirmed Tigers are hot on the trail of the Diamondbacks' top of the rotation starter Dan Haren. But it all may be moot, thanks to pesky contractual issues like no-trade clauses.
Here's what Morosi is saying today about Haren to Detroit:
For two of those clubs, acquiring Haren won’t just be a matter of surrendering the necessary prospects and affording the remaining money on his contract. They will need to get his permission, too.
Major league sources told FOXSports.com on Friday that the Tigers and Twins are among the teams on Haren’s 12-team no-trade list.
So not only would the Tigers have to give up a king's ransom, they'd actually have to sweeten the pot for Haren to even consider coming to Detroit. By sweetening the pot, I mean forking over a Brink's truck full of greenbacks with a contract extension sitting on top of the money pile. Even then, do you really want to trade for a player who would rather be elsewhere?
As for what it would take get the D-backs' interest, ESPN's Buster Olney says (it's an Insider link) any deal starts with uber-prospect Jacob Turner.
Heard this: The Tigers are one of the teams involved in the Dan Haren trade talks, and some rival evaluators think that it would be very tough for Detroit to structure a suitable offer for Haren without including highly touted prospect Jacob Turner.
Trading Turner doesn't faze me in the least. In the vast majority of trades involving prospects for an established major leaguer, the team getting the veteran wins the trade. Trust me, Austin Jackson is the exception to the rule. Just ask the Marlins about Dallas Trahern, Burke Badenhop, Eulogio de la Cruz, Cameron Maybin, and Andrew Miller.
UPDATE: Hit tip goes to BYB'er rcpratt, who points out in the comments one of the latest tweets by SI's Jon Heyman, which prominently mentions the Tigers and Haren.
#tigers, #phillies, #yankees, #cardinals said to be in on haren. he is now expected to move. tigers could be favorite.
Bold is my emphasis.
The odds of acquiring Haren remain long. It really comes down to what prospects the Tigers are willing to give up, and then convincing the D-Backs' ace drop his no-trade clause. Either way, Jacob Turner fans may be in for a bumpy ride over the next week...
If Haren is a longshot at best to shore up the Tigers' rotation, who else is there? Why the Cubbies' Ted Lilly, of course!
The Cubs are seriously thinking of blowing up their roster, meaning Lilly is on the block, and can be had at a more reasonable price than Haren. ESPN's Jayson Stark says the Tigers are definitely in on Lilly.
At least a half-dozen teams are still in on him -- a group headed by the Tigers, Mets and Dodgers. And the Cubs are officially in nearly-everything-must-go mode. So not only are they confident they can trade this guy, but they Cubs are also telling teams they don't have to pay any of the approximately $5.5 million he has left on his deal this year.
Stark also quotes a scout on where Lilly would be the best fit.
One scout said of him: "His velocity is down and he has to go to a club with a big park, a fly-ball park. He can't pitch in a small park anymore."
Lilly needs a big park to be effective? I can think of at least one stadium with a ginormous outfield that fits the bill...
There's also one caveat. Lilly has a limited no-trade clause in his deal. No word which teams are on it, though.
UPDATE: Morosi says the Tigers are NOT one of the teams listed in Lilly's no-trade clause. (scroll down to 2:35 pm.)
But two teams with interest in Lilly — the Mets and Tigers — are not on the list. So, they could acquire him without his permission.
And the trade fires are stoked that much more...
As for the other starting pitcher thrown about in trade rumors, the A's Ben Sheets? He's apparently going nowhere, according to the A's MLB beat writer, Jane Lee.
The deal with Sheets is that there likely won't be a deal. That seems to be the general assessment for several reasons, the main one being that Sheets -- because of his inconsistent velocity and overall lack of potential difference-maker presence for a contending club -- isn't going to bring the A's the type of star-power prospects they'd like in return.
What about the bullpen Jim Leyland wants bolstered with a veteran arm? Yahoo's Jeff Passan tweets the Tigers are checking out the availability of a a left-handed reliever and Yale grad considered the "smartest man in baseball".
#Yankees, #RedSox, #Tigers looking at the smartest man in baseball, #A's LHR Craig Breslow. Better vs. RHH (.576 OPS) than LHH (.678 OPS).
Breslow is having a very good year with the A's, and would fit Leyland's definition of a quality bullpen veteran. But he's the sort of arm who is going to get the interest of other contenders, as seen by interest shown by the Red Sox and Yankees. There's no need to get in a bidding war over a bullpen arm.
If you haven't noticed, there's a large hole in the left side of the infield. With Brandon Inge out for 4-6 weeks, the Tigers are investigating options other than playing Scott Sizemore out of position or going with a platoon of futility, with Don Kelly and Ryan Raburn showing why they are bench players.
Rob Bradford of Boston's WEEI tweeted the Tigers scouted the Red Sox's rehabbing Mike Lowell last night.
Scouts at #PawSox/Mike Lowell rehab game tonight: #BlueJays, #Orioles, #Tigers (2), #Royals. They were playing Detroit's affiliate. #redsox
The 36 year old Lowell is having a down season, recovering from a hip injury, and is talking retirement after the season. But as a short-term stopgap, the Tigers could do worse. But the scouting of Lowell feels more like the Tigers just doing their due diligence than than anything else.
As for the rumors of the Tigers' interest in the Blue Jays' and MLB's home run leader Jose Bautista, there's been no change since Passan tweeted on Wednesday the Tigers' have shown interest. I'm not exactly on board trading for a career journeyman having a career season. It's a "buy high" kind of move, which is a risk. But Bautista is versatile (he's played 3B, 1B, CF, RF and DH this season, and has experience at 2B and LF), has hit 36 homers since September of last year, and would fill an glaring offensive need.
As for finding a catcher who is more than just a glorified backstop, the name of the Jays' All-Star John Buck continues to pop up as being on the Tigers' radar.
The 29-year old is hitting .275 this season with 14 home runs. While he's been good at the plate, Buck has also been solid behind it, throwing out 24% of potential base stealers.
It was reported in the Toronto Sun that the Detroit Tigers and Boston Red Sox are teams that have recently scouted Buck.
Buck would be a definite upgrade, but he's also a free agent to be. He's likely a three month rental. Considering the paucity of catching on the market, I'd expect Buck to be a hot commodity this coming off season. Buck is going to be massively overpaid by a team desperate for a catcher.
It really does sound like the Tigers will be buyers at the trade deadline. It's just a matter as to how deep they plan on wading into the trade waters.
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If we could get Buck for cheap
He could fetch us some draft picks.
There might be a strategy in trading low-level prospects for type B and type A free agents- the draft pick compensation could help us rebuild the system provided that a) DD is willing to offer arbitration and b) the draft budget is reasonably high next year.
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ahh good point
Trade some ?‘s for a B that’ll return you a potential A+
Great strategy but the only hurdle is if they would accept the arb. and screw the plan
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DD has done a particularly poor job of stockpiling those comp picks.
Theo Epstein is the guru of that end of the business. Watch Boston pick up some relief pitcher(s) that will net them a couple of picks this winter, then they’ll take a “signability” pick in the late first or supplemental round with the pick(s). DD took the no risk decision to offer arby to Lyon and Rodney, or the Tigers wouldn’t have picked until late in the second round, but he probably left No. 27 and a supplemental first rounder laying on the table by failing- yes failing- to offer arby to Polanco. Even Renteria would have brought a couple of picks, as we now know that his deal with the Giants was done before Dec 1st, as was reported all over the place, and they were just waiting for DD to not offer arby to Edgar. Of course, the sheer horror of Renteria accepting had to be a pretty strong deterrent.
Ted Lilly, Scott Downs, DeJesus (just went DL), Damon, Jose Guillen, Tejada, Inge, Lowell, Vazquez, Millwood, Jason Frasor, Kevin Gregg, Werth, Dunn, Berkman, Guzman, and Aaron Heilman are some of the players that have been mentioned as trade candidates who would bring comp picks if they were to decline arby. Of course, there are some that have such a high salary history- such as Lowell, that there’s no way you’d offer them arbitration, and others such as Downs who may have more value than they’re worth on the market because of their Type A status.
You got it spot on
If we could trust DD to offer arbitration to players, I’d be happy to acquire Tejada, Lilly and Millwood for some of our fringy guys. Worst case is that you have to pay them for next year. Best case- boatloads of picks in a great draft year next year.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 23, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Millwood and Tejada??
You’re joking, right?
For draft picks
No, I’m not. They may only give us a marginal improvement, but their true value is in their Elias ranking. Tejada and Millwood are enough of names that they may reject arbitration, especially if they’re listed as type B free agents.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 23, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if I like that plan
Get two players that are worse than anyone on our roster right now, keep them around somewhere to hurt the team, and then pray that they’re dumb enough to reject arbitration and risk having to pay them multi millions next year to be even worse?
I don't think that's accurate
Tejada isn’t great, but he’s better than the internal options at 3B. Millwood could eat innings at the very least, and some of his numbers indicate he’s been getting unlucky.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 23, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You're taking a lot of leaps there, though.
Who is Tejada better than? He can’t field or hit. I’d rather play Don Kelly. Millwood, we saw what he had left when they came to town: nothing. His FIP is 5, and I’m not convinced his HR/FB is anything more than throwing the ball over the plate and getting it crushed.
So, you’d have to trade for the two of them, hope that they actually stop playing like ass for your club, then hope that they’re Type B, and then hope that they’re dumb enough to refuse arbitration, and then you have to hope someone else actually wants to sign them next year. That’s a lot of hopes for a pretty small reward.
True
The theory still remains- maybe change the names of the players.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 23, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh sure
Play this game with Ted Lilly and I’m all for it.
my only hope is that they don't make a trade for the sake of making a trade
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The Tigers had two scouts at Charlie Furbush’s AAA debut? They must want Mike Lowell!
by mattintoledo on Jul 23, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Trade for Haren and the Tigers keep Porcello?
Sign me up for that deal!
Verlander, Haren, Scherzer, Porcello and a warm body in the #5 spot, and you could then strike “Aquire/Sign Starting Pitcher” from the 2010 off-season tasker list. My initial concerns were that any 2010 trades might weaken the 2011 or 2012 Tigers, but I think a trade like that would actually strengthen the Tiger’s chances of contending for the next three years.
Of course, it wouldn’t be Haren for Turner straight up, so I guess they would need to include either Furbush or Oliver… but not both. And they could have Raburn, too.
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If we are talking with Arizona!
Why not add a thirdbaseman into the talks?
Mark Reynolds
2010 Numbers Avg HR RBI Runs SB
.216 22 61 54 5
No Batting Average but lots of POP & his fielding Pct is not real bad 778 innings at third & a .942 FPCT. Not a bad 4 to 6 week replacement & his sallery for this year is only a meer $833,333 per year.
by TigersFan1957 on Jul 24, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
straiten the numbers
In 324 AB, 92 Games, 4 at First Base, & 90 at Third Base
Avg = .216
HR = 22
RBI = 61
Runs = 54
SB = 5
In 778 innings at 3B
FPCT = .942
by TigersFan1957 on Jul 24, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he would really jack up the asking price
Though I also thought the same thing about Stephen Drew.
by Rob Rogacki on Jul 24, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Do the DBacks solely want
pitching? cause if not, throw Wilkin Ramirez in there. We’re certainly not gonna need him and he’s worth something at this point to other teams with his Future’s Game and org. prospect ranking, etc.
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Tell me why Ramirez is not..
given a shot on Tigers when RaYBURN and co are stinking up the place!
by redchalkster on Jul 23, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
There's no room in the outfield for him
Now or in the future. And if we need a DH, Strieby is a better option.
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Also the lack of plate discipline
Or refinement.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 23, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
He’s struck out 52 times and walked 8 this year… Enough said.
He’s 25 too.. If he was gonna make a splash he would’ve done it with his callup last year: and did not.
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In Toledo *
Also, 84 compared to 22 in Erie
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If by Vladamir,
You mean Wladamir Balentien, sure.
Wilkin Ramirez has a .605 OPS in Toledo right now. C’mon man.
No, the Vlad that just smoked us in last series
by redchalkster on Jul 23, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard Ramirez can actually catch a ball....
by redchalkster on Jul 23, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You heard wrong.
Wilkin’s defense is pretty bad.
Not at all
1.A) Vladimir batted .345 over his 6 MiLB seasons, and has become a perrenial .300 hitter in MLB
1.B) Wilkin Ramirez has batted .258 over his 7 MiLB seasons
2.A) Vladimir had 96 walks to 116 strikeouts in his 6 MiLB seasons
2.B) Wilkin has 201 walks to 815 strikeouts in his 7 MiLB seasons
If we’re using a pre-MLB timeframe as a benchmark, there is no comparison. Wilkin is not comparable to Vlad. Numbers don’t lie.
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by BrianCMU. on Jul 23, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Take that, sucker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nice)
by redchalkster on Jul 23, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm confused..
But if you mean what I think you mean, I wasn’t trying to make a fool out of you by using stats, I thought I’d go ahead and prove my point though
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There are some comparisons that just aren’t valid. The three I know off-hand (and that I dismiss outright) are Greg Maddux, Vladimir Guerrero and Jamie Moyer. All three have very special skillsets that we may never see again.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 23, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe throw Randy Johnson in there?
I swear every time a pitcher that’s over 6’9 does something well, we hear the comparisons
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Randy Johnson, LHP 6'9"
Mark Hendrickson, LHP 6’10"
Yup.
Tell me why Ramirez is not..
Have you not followed him this year in Toledo? He is all flash and no substance He is not going to make it in MLB
Porcello anyone?
MLB rumor mill has Porcello being dangled. What do you all think? Trade Porcello for catcher and bullpen help? Or Porcello and minor leaguer for one of Dan Haren, Ben Sheets or ??
I think maybe Rick will be middle of rotation guy over career. Last year could be his high water mark. Or He could develop into ace?? That may be what prospective traders might surmise.
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I don't want Rick to go anywhere
If we can get Haren without involving him (which we can) I think we should.
Though, Rick for Haren straight up sounds about even.
I think Turner and Rick are equally-valued trade chips as far as AZ is concerned
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I don't want Rick to go anywhere
Haren for Porcello straight up would be a steal….for the Diamondbacks! Don’t do it DD! Not even for Turner or Furbush. For Oliver? Maybe
Haren for Porcello straight up
not worth it!
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by JerseyTigerFan on Jul 24, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Porchello
I will take just Gibby if they fire Smokey! Maybe Gibby can get in shape and be player-mgr??
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Hey Dan
(Puts on soft music)
Dan Haren. Hey, baby. What’s all this a-fussin’ and a-feudin’ about a no trade clause? We love you. You love us too. We know it. It’s no problem. We know you’ve been lookin at us from across the room with those big eyes of yours. You were scared to approach us. What if we didn’t like you? What if we’re not into pitchers with big ERAs? You were so scared, you had us put on your list. Shh shh shh. There’s nothing to worry about. We’ve been waiting for this for a long time. Now just come over here and sit down on this bed by us, and let us give you one of our famous Detroit backrubs. Would you like a glass of fine wine? You just relax.
by theRPS on Jul 23, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
We need Barry and Levon to talk some sense into Dan Haren.
Aww yeah!
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by rock n rye on Jul 23, 2010 5:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
TRADE AMIR NOW!
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 23, 2010 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Can you throw Charlie V into that deal?
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retroactively, I mean
Although, I don’t recall the exact timeline, that might mean trading him before signing him. I fear for the fabric of time and space.
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Turner?
Just when the Tigers got another young hotshot pitcher who shares my birthday to replace Andrew Miller (who also shares my birthday), and now we’re talking about trading him? Man, my birthday might be unlucky for the prospects of young pitchers staying in the Tigers system.
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Turner to Atlanta . . .
. . . for Doyle Alexander?
by rea on Jul 23, 2010 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Don't get too worked up about being on the no-trade list.
The no-trade list is 12 teams long. That’s half of baseball. At some point I’m sure he was just naming random teams. He’s probably got the whole division on that list. I’d guess he’d welcome the chance to go to a contending team.
I don't even want Haren, not now anyway.
He’ might be damaged goods. Currently his ERA and WHIP are worse than Galarraga’s. With Haren, we’d be giving up the farm for a guy with a great K/BB ratio, but that won’t necessarily mean he’ll give up fewer runs or get us more wins.
Haren at one time was probably the most under-rated pitcher in the game, but since everyone got so hot and heavy with sabermetrics, he’s become one of the most over-rated pitchers in the game.
I still love the guy, but I don’t like the asking price and I’m not sure he’ll step right in and make us a better team this year. We’d probably need to trade Porcello to get him anyway. No thanks.
Haren in the last 3 seasons:
222 innings, 3.07 ERA
216 innings, 3.33 ERA
229 innings, 3.14 ERA
How can one be overrated doing that?
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean.
His ERA is always 3 something. If he were as great as everyone thinks he is, his ERA would be in the 2’s every year and he’d win more games.
We'd paying just as much for him though.
The asking price for Haren is ridiculous. He’s not an elite starter, but we’d be giving up enough talent to get an elite starter. We probably could of had Cliff Lee for less.
Cliff Lee is a free agent after this season
Dan Haren would be a part of the rotation through 2013. There’s your difference.
I have no idea how you’re defining elite, but a 3.18 ERA over 3 seasons with 668 total innings is pretty elite to me. Way better than anyone in the current rotation, anyway. And I certainly see no reason to assume he forgot how to pitch because his ERA is elevated over half a season.
You have almost the same problem with Haren’s no trade clause. We’d have to rework his current contract just to get him here.
and if you're willing to rework Haren's contract
then why not rework Cliff Lee’s?
Haren has a no trade clause
We’d have to rework his contract to get him here.
JP Morosi:
“In some cases, players will ask that club options be picked up as a condition for accepting a trade. It’s not clear if Haren would insist on that condition in a deal with the Tigers or Twins.”
the club option is 15.5 mil, so the Tigers probably want to pick that up anyway, if they’re going to go through the trouble of trading for him anyway.
Lee is going to be a free agent.
He’s already stated he’s testing the market and not really going to negotiate. He’s a rental.
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It's not ridiculous.
Haren’s contract is pretty team friendly.
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It's arguable
I don’t think it’s absolutely necessary to trade for a starter now, and I understand why you’d rather hold onto prospects.
But lets not act like Dan Haren is crap. He’s a very good pitcher.
With a 4.60 ERA and 1.23 WHIP, 7-8 record
We’d be buying high on a guy who we should be buying low on.
No freaking way would I give up Porcello, Turner, and Oliver. No freaking way.
I wouldn't give up those 3 either.
I highly doubt this deal happens and includes Porcello. It will probably be something like Turner, Strieby, Furbush, and a throw-in.
I still think you’re way too focused on his half season 4.60 ERA. A 1.23 WHIP is pretty good, and the record is meaningless because his team is horrific.
Still not terrible.
I guess we’ll just agree to disagree on whether Haren’s bad 2010 is meaningful, but I will say that it’s not exactly unheardof for a great pitcher to have a bad year in his prime and rebound. Happened to Verlander, Beckett, Hamels, among others.
I like Haren too. He should be good for years to come.
but not great.
Keep dreaming
That’s not enough to get them to trade Haren. They want an A+ package for a B + pitcher.
I don't think the Tigers would give up all three big arms for Haren
So if the deal doesn’t get done, we’ll know why.
Haren's secondary numbers are still near his career averages
His xFIP is only 3.39 (he’s only had two seasons lower than that), and his line drive rate is pretty much exactly at his career percentage. He’s still got a great K rate. The HR/FB is up a bit, but that would probably come down if he moved to CoPa, right?
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No to Haren for Porcello
Still leaves a hole in the rotation. But I’d give up any number of prospects for Haren. Rick will be back as he learns from his sophomore struggles.
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by StorminNormanCash on Jul 23, 2010 3:44 PM EDT reply actions
If you guys want starting pitching so bad,
there is always Nate Robertson. He got D’FA’d, so he’s available. Many people here were crying when we traded him. Well, here’s our chance to get him back.
He's nearly a freebie!
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by StorminNormanCash on Jul 23, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It's confusing..
Would he be a freebie? Since we’re already paying his salary technically.. Seems stupid we should have to pay him twice
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It's a moot point
Nate in a Tiger uniform again is nearly inconceivable. I’d take those mad glasses, though.
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by StorminNormanCash on Jul 23, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Nate is in and out but would be my best 5th starter choice
Verlander-swertz-Bondo-Haren-Nate sounds good to me. Sign me up!
Rick for Haren to start. A bag of balls for Nate and playoffs here we come!!!
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by redchalkster on Jul 24, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Nate's the Ryan Raburn of pitching.
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by 13194013 on Jul 23, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
If you guys want starting pitching so bad,
LOL! You are kidding right?! He can chew gum at home with his family on Tiger millions
Why not?
We allready paid for his sallery, right, why not have him pitch for it. I still like him.
by TigersFan1957 on Jul 24, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Because he's not better than anything the Tigers have at the moment.
He’s a downgrade.
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If we are not including porcello I’m fine with it. A rotation of verlander haren scherzer and porcello and bonderman or gallaraga is amazing. Just need to add a ss and a 3rd baseman in the offseason.
by BeardedPlayoffJesus19 on Jul 23, 2010 5:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That is a pretty good rotation
I am starting to come around on trading for 2010…
Like that haren is under contract too.
Two game winning streaks are like magic
by redwingxviii on Jul 23, 2010 5:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If somehow we get haren and porcello and scherzer are able to be studs like their last starts then we may have a top etchelon (sp) pitching staff. Go get him DD
by BeardedPlayoffJesus19 on Jul 23, 2010 5:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Then!
Get Lee in F.A.
Verlander, Lee, Haren, Porcello, whoknows.
joking, of course… but imagine…
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by DetroitTigersGeek on Jul 23, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
V-SCH-Haren-Bondo-Nate=playoffs
Gallaraga would be a splendid long reliever! Wow from special to pen in one swoop!
Red
by redchalkster on Jul 24, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Screw it.
Offer the Nippon Ham Fighters a bunch of money to post Yu Darvish, then acquire Yu. He’s only 23,
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I'm hoping for Cliff Lee redux.
And more Yankee fan/front office tears.
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Anybody watch Baseball tonight last night?
Kirkjian mentioned the White Sox and Tigers having interest in Prince Fielder. He only mentioned it in passing and didn’t elaborate. Anybody know where that stands? He’d look awfully nice in the lineup next to Miggy.
That rug really tied the room together.
Why would the Tigers be interested in Fielder?
He’d have to be full time DH (he’s pathetic in the field) and so there’d be a logjam in the OF (Damon). Unless they would package an OF to clear up room but I don’t see the logic behind acquiring Prince.
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by 13194013 on Jul 23, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just playing devil's advocate...
Yes Prince is not a wonderful 1st baseman, but with Miguel losing the weight that he did, and us having a black hole at 3b would it make sense to move Miguel back to his original position? Essentially we would be trading Scott Sizemore’s bat for Fielder’s, and Scott Sizemore’s glove for Miguel’s. I think the offensive boost certainly outweighs the defensive liability. Not to mention having a Jackson-Damon-Cabrera-Fielder-Ordonez-Boesch-Guillen 1-7.
That rug really tied the room together.
Hmmmmm
That’s really really interesting. I’d love to see Prince in Detroit. Follow in Cecil’s footsteps.. Package Damon and Strieby and some arms to Milwaukee, make Prince the DH. Bam. Protection for Cabrera, and a potent offense that can make up for our lack of 6-9 depth.
I wouldn’t think they’d ever move Miggy back to 3rd. His bat’s too valuable to have him play a position where the risk for injury is higher than at 1st; the safest position on the field.
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I have no idea why Milwaukee would want Damon
Obviously, they’re throwing in the 2010 towel and Damon is a pending FA. I think Fielder is under contract for 2010 and 2011, so he’d be our DH next season.
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Cabrera is fine at first, and was horrible at third. Don’t mess with his mind by changing his position.
Very Nice Lineup
I would rather see Damon more in the outfield. He seemed decent there to me! Even threw a guy out, so he CAN field! Cabrera is adaptable, I think! It is sure compelling.Love the father-son angle! We are not known for defense, OK add Haren and Nate=WS We play 3run homer ball with adequate starting pitching and improved pen!
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by redchalkster on Jul 24, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
do not F with Miguel
any deal that moves Miguel even 127 feet across the diamond would be as ludicrous as one that moves him to another team!
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by JerseyTigerFan on Jul 24, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
compare to fielder no match for maggs,damon, guillen
maggs,damon,guillen has no power but fielders ,cabrera does combined HR & RBI maggs,damon,guillen- fielder & cabrera combined has 48 HR & 130 RBI compare to maggs,damon,guillen combined – HR 10 & ~90 RBI, rest my case, numbers don’t lie!
by '' spiderman '' on Jul 24, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Lowell interest...
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by DetroitTigersGeek on Jul 23, 2010 7:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I hope Detroit stays away from Lowell, Lopez, League or Aardsma.
None of those players bring anything to the table.
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and having sizemore play as the everyday 3rd baseman does?
He went 0-4 last night with an error in his first game. I don’t see him as the savior at 2nd either. But that’s just me…
by BeardedPlayoffJesus19 on Jul 23, 2010 8:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sizemore costs less than Lowell, Lopez, League or Aardsma.
Lowell is a trainwreck and so is Lopez.
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He was 0-4, but...
He hit a couple hard balls. That one down the line was nearly a 2 RBI double.
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by Brand New Hero on Jul 23, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
PATIENCE.
Trading Turner doesnt faze you? Prospects for proven talent works better for proven talent? Do you REMEMBER Jurrjens for Renteria? That is still the worst trade the Tigers have made in recent memory. Tigers are NOT a threat to do any major damage this year, regardless of whether or not we were to make the playoffs by winning the division. I want no young talent given up via trades, I want to dump these geezers Guillen in 3years and Maggs in 2 and be on with it. Clear Leyland out while we’re at it…Preach patience.
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As I said, those trades rarely work out well
Sure, Ranteria was a bust. But if you use the same line of thinking, the Tigers wouldn’t have Miguel Cabrera.
The odds Turner ever becomes as good a pitcher as Dan Haren are slim. I’d trade Turner as part of a package for Haren in a heartbeat.
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RHP Dan Haren told FOXSportsArizona.com that he would consider waiving his partial no-trade clause (he can veto a trade to 12 teams, including Cincinnati and Minnesota) in the right deal. “It is most definitely not ‘No way.’ I definitely would consider it,” Haren said. “I was born and raised on the West Coast. Obviously staying on the West Coast would be nice. If I went to the East, if a trade came with a team on my no-trade (list), I would have to consider it,” he said. Scouts from Philadelphia and Detroit were at Haren’s start Wednesday against the Mets. D-backs president/CEO Derrick Hall set the price for Haren on Thursday: “A-plus” talent. “Ideally, what we would ask for is major league-ready pitching, be it starters and/or bullpen, and prospects. Volume doesn’t matter. It doesn’t need to be four, five, six guys. We’re just concerned about the quality,” Hall said. One those pitchers would slide into Haren’s spot in the rotation for the final two months of the season, and it could be a pitcher already in the major leagues, Hall said. “Sure, that’s a possibility,” Hall said. “Or it could be a guy that’s at Triple-A who doesn’t have the opportunity to move up into a rotation but is ready.”
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by JerseyTigerFan on Jul 24, 2010 12:29 AM EDT reply actions
For the record, I stand by Jacob Turner.
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by DetroitTigersGeek on Jul 24, 2010 2:21 AM EDT reply actions
Have you no shame?
BYB should be free of that!
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Stark is saying the Yankees weren't close for Haren.
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Nova and Joba?
The D’Backs were asking for a package centered around Ivan Nova and Joba, but wanted the Yanks to pick up the contracts of Snyder and Qualls? Holy crap. Maybe we’ve all been off by an order of magnitude about what we’re talking about here. I think a reasonable equivalent of that would be Gagnier and Perry. Which is approximately nothing. I want Snyder, and I’d be glad to take on Qualls.
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if , tigers aguire – werth ; ave .280 hr 13 rbi 52 runs 54 sb 7………dunn; ave .279 23 hr rbi 61 runs 56………fielder; ave .263 hr 24 rbi 46 runs 60………buck; ave .284 hr 14 rbi 47 runs 32 …… there we have the dangerous element, tigers would be world champanions for alot of years
by '' spiderman '' on Jul 24, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions
werth, dunn, fielder, buck on board- would be nice
hypothetically, potentally, ……… line-up for tigers…….1. jackson CF 2. fielder DH 3. cabrera 1B 4.dunn 3B 5. buck C 6.werth RF 7.boesch LF 8. guillen 2B 9. santiago or worth! for 2011!
by '' spiderman '' on Jul 24, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions
tigers starting rotation will be potentally?
verlander, porcello,max, potentally ciff lee if the tigers windup getin him, galarraga bset line-up ever in major leaques, i wish it would be possible but!
by '' spiderman '' on Jul 24, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions
finally, be gone laird,rayburn,,availa,maggs,inge,damon --
opition to AAA or trade them, with field,cabrera,dunn,werth buck in the line-up oh yes in a heart beat, then we the tigers many opitions, see, the tigers need offense not strikeouts, those 4 guys hit for alot of power and they can score runs effectively….
by '' spiderman '' on Jul 24, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions
Look at worth’s numbers and maggs’. Maggs iirc is having a better season, by far.
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