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They ain't dead yet: Undermanned Tigers split twin bill with Blue Jays

Game 1:


Final - 7.25.2010 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Toronto Blue Jays 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 2 5 9 0
Detroit Tigers 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 0 3 8 0
WP: Scott Downs (4 - 5)
SV: Kevin Gregg (23)
LP: Jose Valverde (1 - 2)

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Game 2:


Final - 7.25.2010 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Toronto Blue Jays 0 0 0 0 1 3 0 0 1 5 13 0
Detroit Tigers 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 4 X 6 8 0
WP: Phil Coke (6 - 1)
SV: Jose Valverde (21)
LP: Jason Frasor (3 - 3)

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Yes, the Tigers are still in deep, deep trouble. Yes, the odds this greatly flawed and shorthanded team will remain in playoff contention are slim.

But there's still over two months of baseball left in the season.

To use a golf metaphor, the Tigers have to play it as it lays. Today, they did just that, forced to start 5 rookies in the opener, 6 rookies in the nightcap.

Somehow, some way, the severely undermanned Tigers managed a split of the day/night doubleheader with the Blue Jays. They did lose game one 5-3, but the Tigers came from behind in game two beat the Jays in their last at bat, 6-5.

You can thank the much derided Ryan Raburn (or his evil twin, there was no TV, so we can't be sure) for getting the Tigers a win, if only to keep our hope semi-alive. His bases loaded double in the bottom of the 8th gave the Tigers their winning margin in the nightcap.

Despite the hastily assembled lineup, which for all appearances was a doppelganger of a Toledo Mud Hens lineup from a few months ago, the Tigers ended the day only one game behind the Twins, and two games behind the 1st place White Sox.

A win does not a season, or even a weekend, make. But it was desperately needed.  If you want to look on the bright side, here's a quote from Jim Leyland about having to play so many youngsters...

"This is what these guys' dream was, to get their chance," Leyland said. "There are no excuses. Here is the moment of truth for some of these guys. The guys that want to play more and think they should play more, well they are going to get a chance. We'll see what they can do. Guys like Rhymes, this has been a dream. You wait a long time for this opportunity. Take advantage of it. Run with it. Embrace it and enjoy it. Show us what you can do. Show us if you are a big leaguer."

We could say the same about this Tigers team. We'll see what they can do. Show us if they are a contender.

Star-divide

With Magglio Ordonez and Carlos Guillen out, players the Tigers are going to need to step up, did.

  • The amazing Austin Jackson had five hits, two of them triples, in the double dip
  • MVP candidate Miguel Cabrera had three hits, two RBI, and continued to hit the ball HARD.
  • Brennan Boesch is slowly coming out of his post All-Star game funk. He was on base four times (one hit, three base on balls) and had an RBI.
  • Johnny Damon had the nightcap off, but was 2-4 with an RBI in the opener.
  • Danny Worth homered in the first game.
  • The aforementioned Raburn had two doubles and four RBI on the day.

As for the recent call ups, things didn't go as well. In his return to the big leagues, Jeff Larish was 1-6. Will Rhymes made his MLB debut as a pinch hitter in the opener, and got the start in game two, but went hitless.

Looking back at the end of a long day of baseball, I don't think you could have asked for much more.

But before we start feeling too good about this win, there's plenty to be concerned about.

We still don't know what, if anything , Dave Dombrowski has planned for the trade deadline. Rumors of the Tigers having increased interest in Nationals' slugger Adam Dunn was all over the internets.  But one much talked about trade option went off the table tonight, with the Diamondbacks trading Dan Haren to the Angels.

Even if the Tigers do try to bolster the lineup via trade, this team will still have issues...some which can't be fixed till the off season.

The starting pitching remains troublesome (The inconsistent Armando Galarraga was solid today, but Jeremy Bonderman wasn't), Jose Valverde is beginning to look human (allowed home runs in the 9th inning of both games, one a game winner) and the offense is overly dependent, to the point of absurdity, upon Cabrera, Jackson and Boesch.

Let's not forget the upcoming schedule is murderous. The Tigers leave town tonight to play four against the Devil Rays, then three in Beantown against the Red Sox.  Over the next three weeks, there's 19 straight games against teams with over .500 records.

All you can ask of a team full of young, inexperienced players is to tread water over such a stretch. Just try to play close to .500 ball. But  when you're forced to play a mix of AAAA players and backups in the everyday lineup, even treading water might be too much to ask.

As I said, we'll have to see what they can do.

But at least for one day, we can say the reports of the Tigers' season prematurely ending...were greatly exaggerated.

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Just got back from the game

glad to see it. Despite the numbers, Bonderman seemed to be pitching okay, the efficiency just wasn’t there tonight. Lots of hits seemed to just find the right parts of the field. Also, Damon was definitely a starter in the nightcap, I think you got the games switched in the recap

by crc33 on Jul 25, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe it's

“play it as it LIES”

You lay something else, you lie yourself. So, as the ball is the “it” in question, it “lies” wherever you left it … I think!

Either way, go Tiger Hens!

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by JerseyTigerFan on Jul 25, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I've always used the terms interchangably

Either way, the Tigers Hens won!

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by BigAl on Jul 25, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was “play it as it lies” in Happy Gilmore

by handsomerob1 on Jul 26, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1 for Happy Gilmore

And in case you haven’t seen it, check out the video where Padraig Harrington tries golfing with the Happy Gilmore swing, awesome stuff (yes, he actually hits the ball farther…Adam Sandler is a much-maligned genius).

by ColemanOld on Jul 26, 2010 2:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

"Ball Don't Lie" is a basketball term

usually used when a ref makes a bad foul call and the player then misses the free throws. The ref might have screwed up, but the ball don’t lie.

by handsomerob1 on Jul 26, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

completely different word

Rooting for Tiger stripes, not pinstripes

by JerseyTigerFan on Jul 26, 2010 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Somehow, the juxtaposition of "Tiger" and "playing it as it lays"...

…has taken on an entirely different connotation since last November.

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by ahtrap on Jul 26, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

While expectations are low, that might not be such a bad thing.

Now no one expects much from the Tigers when they’re this shorthanded, so perhaps this alleviates some of the pressure. They have nothing to lose—perhaps that will result in some focused play and some wins. Who knows?

by Senor Smoke on Jul 25, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

I feel like, no matter what, we’ve been the team in the AL Central with the most pressure since 2006. Ever since we were favored in the World Series, the Tigers have proven they can’t play the “favorite” role. Low expectations may be exactly what we need.

by Elfuego51 on Jul 25, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I smell role reversal this year

Last year, the Twins did it without Morneau, we can do it without Maggs.

by Elfuego51 on Jul 25, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Just remember Maggs stunk for most of last year and we were doning fine.

When he pulled out of his slump, things started falling apart. Not saying it’s his fault, but his bat isn’t as important as everyone thinks. Clete freaking Thomas was batting 3rd for a good chunk of last season and we still kicked some butt.

by linuxit on Jul 25, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um

What’s the Ewing effect?

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by David Tokarz on Jul 26, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Ewing Theory was proposed by Bill Simmons, “the Sports Guy” on ESPN. It states that teams are often better when playing without the person considered to be their greatest player.

The theory started when Simmons and his friend felt that the Georgetown Hoyas and later the New York Knicks played better when Patrick Ewing was on the bench. Simmons considered his theory confirmed when the Knicks upset the Pacers in a playoff series after Ewing got hurt. Simmons then pointed out other examples, such as the Dolphins won a playoff game after Dan Marino retired, and the Seattle Mariners had their greatest season after Alex Rodriguez left.

Link (and more explanation) here

by handsomerob1 on Jul 26, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't that be Miggy?

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by David Tokarz on Jul 26, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Funny things is that our starting pitching is probably our greatest strength right now

Whether we stay afloat or sink completely depends upon on our starting staff. If you think about it, our defense has improved with these injuries also. No more Guillen at 2b or Ordonez in RF slowing us down. This might be the best defense we’ve seen all season. We might be a few ticks faster on the base paths also. We’ll surely miss them, but I think we can still remain competitive.

Lets give our rookies the full support they need. Boesch and Jackson have been major contributors already. Guys like Sizemore and Avila have much potential and will probably be mainstays in Detroit for the next several years. Worth could end up being our SS of the future also. Larish and Rymes could be important reserve players. We can curb our expectations, but the experience these guys gain will make us better in the long run.

by linuxit on Jul 26, 2010 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

We might be a few ticks faster on the base paths also.

We gotta get on base first…

by handsomerob1 on Jul 26, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We'll have our share of run scoring opportunities

In the 1st game, in the bottom of the 8th, we tied the score but we left the bases loaded. We were 1 swing of the bat away from taking a 4 run lead.

Last year, Granderson and Polanco struggled to get on base, Ordonez and Guillen were none factors for most of the season, and Cabrera had his drinky drink problem.
This year we have Cabrera hitting like an MVP and triple crown candidate. Either Austin Jackson or Boesch will win ROY. Damon has helped setting the tables and has had some clutch hits, and has been a great guy in the clubhouse. That’s a good nucleus right there. That’s something we didn’t have last year.

by linuxit on Jul 26, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Tigers are 12th in the league in rotation ERA.

I agree that the rotation will determine how far the Tigers go, but the cast they have now is not good enough and it hasn’t been good enough all season long. Even getting Porcello back in form isn’t enough by itself.

Ordonez was on pace for over .300/ 20 plus homers, and over 100 RBI. That bat has to be replaced.
Throwing a bunch of minor leaguers out there without replacing Magglio’s bat would be downright negligent.

by Tigerdog1 on Jul 26, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can look past that ERA,

since Willis started 8 of those games, Thomas had 2, and Oliver threw 5 of them.

Verlander, Scherzer, and Porcello aren’t slouches. They are top the rotation pitchers.
 Bondo and Galarraga won’t set the world on fire, but they aren’t that bad either. They most certainly belong in the majors. They might not be pitching game 7 of the World Series for anyone, but they are rotation staples, that can eat some innings, and keep your team in the game, and give them a chance to win.

 If the current rotation stays healthy we have a legit chance to win this division.

by linuxit on Jul 26, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

The rotation is fine.

The problem is, with the lineup taking the hits it has, I wonder if “fine” will be good enough. I know everyone else wonders about that too.

At least losing Guillen improves the defense…

by Nick Galea on Jul 26, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

This comment and its replies remind me

of Jerry Seinfeld and that fat naked guy talking about the Mets on the Subway to Coney Island

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by JerseyTigerFan on Jul 26, 2010 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is time to play the best available players

and let the chips fall. A continuation of bringing players in for a pitstop must cease or the season will tank! Sizemore should be given 2B for more than a week. He is out of position at 3rd and I think he has positive potential as a starter.
Continue with Worth at SS. Boesh may be for real and I think decent on defense. Damon in the outfield. Having Jackson there means corners have to cover less, so there is a decent ML outfield. The problem is DH(an unusual problem). Do we continue with punch and judy hitters or do we get a big bopper? and 3b? Would seriously consider Cabrera there, at least until Inge returns. What say?

by redchalkster on Jul 26, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't F with Cabrera!

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by JerseyTigerFan on Jul 26, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree don't f with cabrera

i feel sorry for him as it is having to play everyday with an entire infield of auditioning rookies.

who needs to experiment defensively at 1B when we are already doing that at C, 3B, SS, and 2B.

by wowjimi on Jul 26, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW the Leland quote was awesome

As frustrating as he can be, Leland does have that side that I welcome, where he has a perspective that makes you stop and look at things in a bigger picture or more human way. I mean think how many guys are getting the chances of their lives this season—and how many guys, just as good, just as much on the top % of young baseball players in the country, because of circumstances, never get a chance. And who knows, one of these guys may rise to the occasion, and how great will that be?

by ColemanOld on Jul 26, 2010 1:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

So true.

We may find another BB, or A-Jax. Odds are that between Rymes, Larish, Sizemore, and Worth we’ll find a guy that’ll stick with the club. Besides, we were the 5th youngest team last week. W/O Guillen and Mags, we’ve probably moved up. Let’s see what these kids can do and give us more hope for next year. Like someone mentioned earlier, we’ve got a good nucleas. I’m excited to watch the young guys get their chance. Hopefully someone can make a name for themselves in the next 6 weeks.

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by Brand New Hero on Jul 26, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Ryan Raburn continues to hit like he has been lately

Magglio’s bat won’t be missed as much

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by CMonroe on Jul 26, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

You mean

hit like he did in his last at bat? That was like putting a car air freshener in a dairy barn.

by handsomerob1 on Jul 26, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

seriously?

That bat will be missed no matter how well Raburn hits.
Raburn has a lifetime 26 HR BA 259 OBP319 330 TB. 117 Runs 115 RBI
Ordonez has a lifetime 289 HR; BA 312; 1204 RBI; 1043 Runs; OBP 372; 3397 TB. ALSO 6x Allstar 2007 Batting Champ and 3 Silver Sluggers 2006 and 2006 ACLS Champion
I realize Raburn can do some things and this is only over a 5 year period in the majors, hell, I like Ryan. But even if you divide it and average over a 13 year period, (as many years as Maggs has in the majors), there is no comparison between the two.

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by Detroitchik on Jul 26, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah

But a slight dropoff for 6 weeks is better than a cataclysmic dropoff for 6 weeks.

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by David Tokarz on Jul 26, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Raburn

If he recovers.

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by David Tokarz on Jul 26, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt it

I’m in the camp that thinks last year was an aberration. I’m hoping Sizemore starts hitting somewhat like he does in AAA. If one of the other call ups can be productive than I think we will be ok. No one player will replace Ordonez, but a combination of improvements across the board could help offset what we lose.

by handsomerob1 on Jul 26, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry david

I guess I really don’t understand what you mean.

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by Detroitchik on Jul 26, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahhh

thank you. I can agree with that.

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by Detroitchik on Jul 26, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free Agents

Now that the Tigers are in this position they should go after a Ted Lilly type starter. A vet who doesn’t cost them much and a guy who knows how to pitch. Drew is still out there and shouldn’t cost the Tigers much. Farnsworth is still available for the bull pen. The Tigers have a boat load of contracts that expire for 2011 ( Inge, Willis, Ordonez, Bonderman, Damon etc) By the way the only reason Ordonez is out is because the Tigers have a bone head coaching 3rd. base! NO WAY would a good 3rd base coach have sent Ordonez home on that play. Anyway, get some inexpensive help this year and see what happens and play for the 2011 class of Free Agents.

by LarryLive on Jul 26, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

move the fences back!

No problem, A-Jax can cover more ground!

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by JerseyTigerFan on Jul 26, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

*twitch

There is only ONE reason to acquire Kyle Farnsworth.

This.

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by David Tokarz on Jul 26, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Money Quote
Farnsworth declined to comment on the fracas.

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by JerseyTigerFan on Jul 26, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I... wow.

I never thought I’d see someone actually suggest Kyle Farnsworth as a viable solution to anything.

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Scott Sizemore liberationist.

by 13194013 on Jul 26, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trades

By the way if the Tigers could make a deal with the Nats to get Dunn and a minor deal to bring back Pudge they would still be a very foemidable team THIS year. I guess it would take Dunn to do an extension of his contract to get that done because no way do we give up an Oliver or a Jacobs for a 2 month rent a player.

by LarryLive on Jul 26, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

valverty?....now , my consided!

last two games, 2 home runs at curcial times, but he is human but, i don’t like it,let see if he rebounds or not! . Now, the tigers have 5 or 6 rookies in the line-up umm……..not good,my opinion, this august schedule is murderous so, yes,it won’t be easy to win like tigers line-up has it stand right now,not good, especially, 19 games against opponents above .500 records, so, we have to see that all I can say, do the best tigers can do!

by '' spiderman '' on Jul 26, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

inge,guillen maggs, not good at all

bullpen; miner, seay,zumaya – my opinion all is lost this year a big blow , now let me see………………….inge- out for 4-6…guillen- out for 15 days maybe more….maggs- out for 6-8 weeks, turning to the bullpen- zumaya- out for this season,,,,seay- seriously, the seasons is lost for him as well…..miner- as well……my opinion is – the tiger are in big trouble this year and maybe, next year as well

by '' spiderman '' on Jul 26, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sure why Granderson shouldn't have been traded...

We got Austin Jackson did we not? And Scherzer? I would much rather have Jackson than Granderson right now. Plus, Jackson is younger, he’s going to be in the majors for a greater duration of time. Scherzer has been doing pretty well himself. I’m sorry, I just don’t see the logic.

by Jabbadahut99 on Jul 26, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Where did this come from?

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by JerseyTigerFan on Jul 26, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

How odd

Spiderman had made a post saying how it was a bad idea to trade several players, Granderson included. It seems to be gone now. That was what my post was responding to. My post now appears rather off-topic.

by Jabbadahut99 on Jul 26, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, BearedPlayoffJesus beat me.

I always forget to refresh the page before hitting enter..

by Jabbadahut99 on Jul 26, 2010 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

How about a freebe

Jermaine Dye. He’s still unsigned.

by linuxit on Jul 26, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

That's not a half bad idea

Unless he still wants an ungodly amount of money.

by handsomerob1 on Jul 26, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He hits righties well

But can’t hit the lefty. And his fielding sucks. That being said, I’d take him for a million or two.

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by David Tokarz on Jul 26, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends if he's been working out and swinging the bat

Does anyone know if he’s been working out? Dye may have spent the time away from baseball planted on the couch eating Twinkies. By the time Dye is up to speed, we’re likely pushing September…when it may not make a difference.

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by BigAl on Jul 26, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

What you said there, Al

is exactly what DD said when asked about Dye. (well he didn’t mention twinkies) but he said after dye was signed it would take a good month to get him back into shape and by that time we’d most like have our guys back. So signing Dye would be for naught

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by Detroitchik on Jul 26, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see that I’m not the only one who thinks that we should sign Jermaine Dye .

by mslegato on Jul 26, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

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