Rays' Matt Garza no-hits Triple A team disguised as Detroit Tigers
by BigAl on Jul 26, 2010 11:24 PM EDT
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Can it really be considered a true no-hitter when the Tigers' lineup is chock full of rookies, backups, and should be Mud Hens? Well, in the minds of Matt Garza and the Rays after their 5-0 win, it is...
Garza retired the final 22 Tigers in order, ultimately no-hitting the Detroit Mud Hens Tigers.
Garza had great stuff, facing the bare minimum 27 batters, only walking one...but he was facing an undermanned and under talented team decimated by injury.
The Tiger' lineup included rookies Austin Jackson, Will Rhymes, Brennan Boesch, and Danny Worth. Also playing were backups Ryan Raburn and Gerald Laird. Backup Ramon Santiago pinch hit...making the last out. Miguel Cabrera and Johnny Damon were the only Tigers in the lineup you could consider both a veteran and/or not a backup.
If I"m head moron in standing commissioner Bud Lite Selig, I'd add an asterisk. Not that adding an asterisk after a players name because of the circumstance involved would ever happen in the MLB record book, right?
When your starting lineup is full of Triple A players & backups, being no-hit is bound to happen.
When your 3, 6 and 7 hitters are on the DL, and you're throwing replacements on the field who would never have been there otherwise if circumstances weren't absolutely dire, being no-hit is bound to happen.
Hell, when you have .182 hitting Gerald Laird starting, the chances of being no-hit increases exponentially.
The weird part of the night (Yes, it gets weirder) was Max Scherzer going pitch for pitch with Garza, no-hitting the Rays for 5 2/3 innings. Unfortunately, his no-hit stuff was tainted with wildness. Scherzer walked two in the 6th (four overall), with a catcher's interference call against Laird sandwiched in-between, loaded the bases. They were then unloaded by former Tiger Matt Joyce, whose drive clanged off the right field foul pole.
That was the game right there, as a Tigers team contaminated with Mud Hens couldn't do a damn thing with Garza.
The pressure of having to juggle a gimped roster may be getting to Jim Leyland (or he was going into nicotine withdrawal, it's hard to tell), as he was tossed in the 3rd inning arguing an incorrect call. The umpires blowing a call against the Tigers? Who saw that coming?
2nd base umpire Marty Foster called the Rays' B.J. Upton safe on a steal attempt. As has been the case all season on close calls, replays showed Foster blew the call...Upton was out. Leyland proceeded to go ballistic/postal/crazy, getting himself tossed.
At least he didn't have to witness Garza manhandling his team.
For the historians out there, this was the first no-hitter against the Tigers in 20 years. The Mariners' Randy Johnson tossed a no-hitter against the Tigers in June, 1990.
It sucked then, it sucks now.
So the Tigers were hitless wonders. What has been a horrible stretch of luck got that much worse. But tomorrow is another day. Tomorrow is another game. The same Tigers who beat the Jays Sunday could just as easily beat the Rays Tuesday.
I'm not going to give up on this team just yet. They are only three games out of 1st place. Any team with Miguel Cabrera has a puncher's chance. There's also improvement to be had at the trade deadline. No-hitter be damned, this was only one game of 162.
Just. One. Game.
But my mindset has changed in one way.
I don't want anyone in the game of baseball with the last name of "Joyce" anywhere near the Tigers.
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Dan Haren is hurt.
“whoops”
Because I'm the Lynch... and I'm awwwesome!
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 26, 2010 11:38 PM EDT reply actions
I'm sorry
But I laughed at this.
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Daniel Fields is better than you.
by David Tokarz on Jul 27, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pissed off about it, but...
Does being no-hit necessarily reflect an offense? I mean, there’s us, but the other teams that have been no-hit this year were the Braves, Rays (twice), Marlins, and Indians*, and of those four, I’d only label the Indians as a poor offense.
*Despite what MLB wants you to believe
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 26, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
No hitters are utterly random, no real rhyme or reason to them
I'm owner/editor of The Wayne Fontes Experience a deputy editor at Bless You Boys and co-host The Knee Jerks podcast.
Though it helps to have several bad hitters in the lineup...
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Hell, the Rays have had a perfect game thrown against them
Twice in a year (a year and three days, if you must be precise), and right now, they’re the AL Wild Card leader, second best record in all of baseball.
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Exactly
It had been 20 years since it happened to us. We were due. Move on to tomorrow’s game.
by handsomerob1 on Jul 27, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
You know what would help our offense?
A certain left-handed power hitter with a career .382 OBP. Just saying.
by ryan_matthews28 on Jul 26, 2010 11:47 PM EDT reply actions
Jul 23 1B Adam Dunn hit his 23rd homer of the year against the Reds, blasting a two-run shot on a day where he couldn’t do anything else at the plate. Dunn struck out four times and went 1-for-5, putting together a day of extremes in the Nationals’ win.
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 26, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That just sounds like Austin Jackson minus the HR
by ryan_matthews28 on Jul 26, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah
But Dunn can walk.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 27, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
Had to make fun of the big, slow white guy somehow.
by handsomerob1 on Jul 27, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally justifiable
I really wish that Leyland would give Jackson the green light more often.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 27, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I want to see Jackson
get a perma-green light. I think he has the instincts to know what pitches to run on. With Rhymes and Boesch up we have more speed in the lineup than we did at the beginning of the year. It would be great to see that put to good use.
by handsomerob1 on Jul 27, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh God yes
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by David Tokarz on Jul 27, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I must say, Adam Dunn is getting increasingly intriguing...
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 26, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, go for it if you can get him to sign an extension.
I mean, honestly, if he doesn’t go here you know Chicago is going to be hot after him either at the trade deadline or in the offseason. Either way, even when healthy this team STILL needs more offense. I think the rotation obviously needs one more quality starter (I’m comfortable with Verlander/Scherzer/Porcello as our 1-2-3 going forward) but we’re set in terms of relievers.
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Jul 27, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
That's why I'd be comfortable trading Turner and Oliver
Verlander/Scherzer/Porcello are all under team control through the 2014 season. We should put together a competitive offense while we still have Scherzer and Porcello for (relatively) cheap.
by ryan_matthews28 on Jul 27, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
They better not give up Turner or Oliver for Dunn
That would be stupid. They shouldn’t give up either of these guys unless they absolutely need to in order to get a legitimate star. Dan Haren was one example, until he went to Anaheim (and then Anaheim’s DL). Zack Greinke is another such example. I don’t know if anyone else being shopped right now is worth parting with Turner or Oliver.
by handsomerob1 on Jul 27, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
This
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by David Tokarz on Jul 27, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Dream Tiger
Think what a pitching staff we would have if didn’t trade them. In 2012-13 we could be talking World Series back to back.. Maybe a Tiger Dynasty Think of it.Something that would last for years to come. DREAM TIGER, DREAM
GRANT
Bird in the hand...blah blah blah
Give me a top of the rotation starter now versus “blue chip” prospects. I would have really like something like Haren, where it’s not a rental, but 2-3 years of club control after this year.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
You develop players for a dynasty
Look at NY’s big 4: Jeter, Posada, Pettite and Mo. Or Philly: Jayson Werth, Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, J-Roll. Or Atlanta, which developed Glavine and Smoltz (yes I know they acquired Smoltz, but they turned him into a HOFer) as well as Chpper Jones, among others. Boston developed Pedroia/Youklis/Ellsbury/Lester/Papelboner.
Take a look at recent dynastic teams and you’ll note a trend: all of them are backed by a strong player development system that allows for not only ample trades but for a steady supply of talent going to the big leagues. This is why the minor leagues are important.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 27, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Why give up prized prospects for a non-star?
Dunn would help but he isn’t worth all that much.
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Scott Sizemore liberationist.
Just a question
Is Dunn ranked? As in, if we failed to sign him to an extension, would we still be able to get draft picks out of the deal?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 27, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
We would have to offer him arbitration
which he would likely turn down (according to people that know more about that than I do). Then we would get pick(s) if he signed somewhere else.
by handsomerob1 on Jul 27, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that part I know
I was asking if he was Type A or B.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 27, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
No idea
I really don’t know too much about the process other than what I said above.
by handsomerob1 on Jul 27, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
He's type A
And he’d probably turn it down. So if we could get him for a package of unspectacular prospects, it might be a good move.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 27, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
can we take this to the newly written adam dunn story please
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Perfect
I think Dunn would be great for this year, but I don’t want him on an extension. We already have a 1B and he’s doing all right.
I don’t like the idea of committing a roster spot (and 15M per year) to a full time DH (cough, Sheffield). I’d rather let our aging players and poor defender/good bat types DH (although there might not be too many of them next year).
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
The free agent market is pretty bleak the next two years
Trading for Dunn and signing Crawford would be prudent if we wish to be competitive the next couple of years
by ryan_matthews28 on Jul 26, 2010 11:59 PM EDT reply actions
When I saw the Tiger lineup...
I said to friends with me, “I bet Garza throws a two hitter…both to Cabrera.”
Sigh. I was wrong.
http://designaterobertson.blogspot.com
If Jeff Larish was in the lineup
he would have gotten a hit, maybe two
So...Umm..
If virtually all the Mud Hens are playing in Tampa these next few days…who the, err, heck, is suiting up in Toledo?
Rhymes, Larish, Worth, Sizemore – does Toledo even have an infield anymore? Not that I’m particularly concerned with Toledo since they can’t win a World Series, but you gotta think it’s hard for good ol’ Larry Parrish to field a team if nobody is left in the clubhouse.
by GreatGooglyMoogly on Jul 27, 2010 1:06 AM EDT reply actions
no hit
The reason I love the Tigers is they never give up. I don’t either. I didn’t in Nam and not anywhere else. If your best is missing you still give the best you got to give. and then you reach down and give more. These guys are Tigers, my Tigers! That means they represent what I believe in, which means they keep gettin up one more time than they get knocked down. I been doin that for 60 years and the Tigers have been doin it since 1905.
Grant.
no hit
Which means we don’t cry in our soup. we play what we have and are proud of it.
Grant
I really do
feel bad for yuo Tigers fans, as a Red Sox fan right now, I understand your situation.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 27, 2010 1:43 AM EDT reply actions
No, you don't.
Ryan Raburn antagonist.
Scott Sizemore liberationist.
by 13194013 on Jul 27, 2010 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sox lost some players too
Pedroia is still out, VMart just game back. I feel like there was another.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
The deck was stacked against us...
Played a night game (of a double-header!!!!!) before going on the road (and we all know how bad the Tigers are on the road). Add that poor scheduling to a lineup depleted (no, decimated) by injury and you have a recipe for a no-hitter.
Add to that some very bad umpiring and you just chalk this up to bad luck (which seems to be the only luck we have these days) and you get Garza’s no-hitter.
Here’s hoping Justin keeps Jason locked in the hotel room tomorrow.
Hey Bigal
You can’t let him & his team enjoy this moment. We may have some back-up players but they are still Pro’s & can hit. He earned it so leave him alone.
Embarrassed!!!!!!!!!!
A sad bunch of Baseball Fans.
by TigersFan1957 on Jul 27, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure about any one else but maybe I am sad baseball fan
Why should I be happy or proud that the pitcher got a no hitter when it was against my team, a team who got every shitty call you can pretty much get
Strike out called a walk (first walk of the game)
Tag a runner by at least a foot but was called safe
A Strike Zone that got larger and larger each inning
Our Strike Zone half the size of the other teams
Checked Swings/Balls called strikes
Phantom Interference Calls
Having to watch a no hitter disappear by a GS (GS not the fault but should never have happen had the above call not happened)
Idk maybe I’m the only one who can’t get over it, but I’m not going to be happy for a team whose given something by the umps especially when the exact same moment was stolen from me and every other fan just a few months ago.
As for the back-ups being pro’s 3 of the rookies should still be in the minors based on the hitting % alone, and a catcher whose batting below the level that all suckage is measured . Another two who should be late game subs instead of routinely starters. We had 3 decent players who you can call starters in the line-up so I guess yay the pitcher for getting those 3 out although he walked one of them and was helped by the umps another time.
I’m sick and tired of getting screwed by the umps and being told to just take it, that it’s part of the game, theirs nothing you can do about it, if the team had been better they would have over come it…well I’m sorry that I don’t feel that a team should be better then the other team and Umps combined in order to win.
The Tigers are hurt their line-up is laughable the umps have cost tiger fans many moments of joys whether it be perfect games, game ting run in the 9th, or just small plays that end up costing the team in some way. With all that happening to my team I find it hard to find some sort of joy for another team and anything they do especially when it’s against us and for all the reason I listed above.
We're fighting amongst ourselves.
That’s just what they want.
(No idea where this came from…it’s just seemed to channel itself)
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
I'm perfectly happy for Garza, but "pro's & can hit"??
I’d only apply that tag to four players in that lineup.
Real Fans
Real Fans don’t whine ! They make do with what they have and pray for better upires.
Grant
A Real Fan does too whine and complain and cuss up a storm after every loss
The difference between a real fan and a poser is real fans come back game after game regardless of everything else. You can’t expect fans of a team to sit by and say nothing as they watch their team gets hosed day in and day out but shitty calls and poor play from some players on the team. You speak up and show your frustration you call people out you demand things to change you threaten to stop watching, then you calm down and get ready for the next game. Poser’s quit real fans stay that’s the only difference.
Real fans don't make statements about real fans.
Ryan Raburn antagonist.
Scott Sizemore liberationist.
Bad calls, bad taste, Bad Bud
First, praying for better umpires isn’t going to change the horrible calls these morons are making. And it’s not just in the Tigers games. Look at the call that got Ty Wiggington suspended after he went ballistic and bumped the umpire. That runner was out by a foot, not even close. Last night I’m not sure that Marty Foster was in a good position to see the play and that is as disturbing as the actual call. Upton was out by 2’ feet. I’m watching the game and from my living room I yelling he’s out and then blind guy Marty calls him safe. I don’t know what is going on with MLB’s umpires this year but they flat out suck in almost every game I watch. The other thing that bothered me last night was watching the fans and the Rays celebrate after the game and remembering back to that night when the idiot Jim the blind rat Joyce blew the call and deprieved all of Tiger Nation the opportunity to celebrate the way they did in Tampa last night. I don’t care how many of you out there are willing to forgive Jim the Rat but I for one will never fogive him. As for Bud the steroid commisioner Selig, well that about says it all. He knew, the owners knew, and here we are again being forced to have to watch another cheater break homerun records that now are meaningless. I hope this commisoner leaves office sooner rather than later because he’s as complicent in the steriod crimes of the past as the users are. Tonights another night and hopefully the Tigers prevail.
Runs Earned and Unearned
Apparently this is something no one else is taking note of, but the more I read on the net the more I’m convinced there is an issue here or something ambiguous I don’t understand. Why is Sherzer charged with 3 Earned Runs? All the runs scored after the error and 2 outs, meaning the error would have been the third out. My understanding, backed by several write-ups on the net, is that all runs scoring after what should have been the third out would be unearned. Rightly so. Without the error the bases are not loaded and Sherzer is pitching differently. All four runs off the slam should be unearned.
"I have seen the future, and it is much like the present, only longer" - Dan Quisenberry
In a catcher's interference, you cannot assume that the batter would have been out
Therefore, he was the only unearned baserunner
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jul 27, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
A no hitter is a no hitter no matter the lineup.
Guy pitched great and you could tell from the start he had the stuff to no hit anyone tonight.
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 27, 2010 9:02 AM EDT reply actions
Not so much in this case
I don’t mean to take anything away from Garza, but he threw 101 fastballs out of 120 pitches last night. I’m not going to get into the whole “blame the umps” take that everyone else is. We should have adjusted throughout the game and we didn’t. The Tigers couldn’t hit the high fastball. Garza didn’t have to pitch, per se, because he could just pump in that high fastball all night long. I’m more willing to give credit when a guy has to mix his pitches and change speeds to fool hitters, but Garza still earned what he got last night.
by handsomerob1 on Jul 27, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
And the high fastball was... a ball.
We could have walked in 5 runs and went extra innings! Kidding… Sort of.
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by Brand New Hero on Jul 27, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Playoffs,,,,,maybe next year?
Holding onto the last remnant of my hope hankie, I really am trying to see the forest for the trees in this one, and in the distance I hear the whining of the chainsaw, and some lummox with an ox yelling TIMBER instead of TIGERS. The swooooooooon has begun and gone on and on and on, what a perfect time for a slew of big name injuries, Inge starts so see the ball, bam, broken wrist, Maggs usually heats up in Aug, bam, broken ankle, WHO THE HECK IS GERALD LAIRD AND WHAT DID HE DO WITH THE PROFFESSIONAL ATHLETE THAT HE IS SUPPOSED TO PLAY ON TV? I’m officially pulling my oscar nod, you couldnt play dead on the side of the road in an oppossum outfit. I’m going to the UP this weekend just so I can root for the Brewers and Cubs for two days.
Brewers and Cubs?
I’m sorry. That’s the baseball equivalent of suicide when things aren’t going well. I guess it’s better than the Pirates.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
Or the Twins.
Drink, and Drink, and Drink, and Drink, and Drink, and Drink, and Fight!
by Brand New Hero on Jul 27, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
have you been to the UP?
we’re tigers fans in pretty much all of it. unless you’re going to menominee or something.
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 27, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
There are a few Brewer fans, but you're right,Kurt
It’s mostly Tiger fans.
by Senor Smoke on Jul 27, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i only know of a few non-tigers fans up here in houghton
and they all moved here from other places so they brought their allegiances along
I Like Pie
I Dislike Raburn
yeah exactly
I know a Brewers fan or two because they moved up from Wisconsin.
I know the local papers put their results in … and I worked for one and never heard a complaint when I’d leave them out!
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 27, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
I live 5 miles South of Mackinaw City, 10 Miles to St. Ignace. My wife is from the Soo & my brother & sister-in-law (wifes sister) live in Gwinn. They are Tigers fans to but Packer fans when it comes to Football.
by TigersFan1957 on Jul 28, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
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by TigersFan1957 on Jul 28, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Leyland should be as manager of the tiger- 1. everyone has 2 strike on them before stepping into the batters box that way forcing the tigers players to hit the ball keep in mind only strikes not balls and 2. when runners reach base, moved them up to scoring position correctly no base running error to generate offense. 3.bunting – must do now. 4.when playing defence no errors and make every play possible whether it outfield or infield thats way to do that as I see it for the tigers until some others players comes back into the line-up.
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