Jeff Frazier ... welcome to the big leagues
Unexpected news from the Tigers after the game: Infielder Jeff Larish has been designated for assignment -- that's the second player in two days and third in just over a week if you're keeping track -- while corner infielder/outfielder Jeff Frazier had his contract purchased from Triple-A Toledo.
That makes Frazier the tenth player who will make his MLB debut for Detroit this season. The 2004 third-round draftee will turn 28 this year.
One thing you can say about Frazier -- he's had success hitting the ball in the minor leagues the past two seasons. He slugged .471 in about 100 plate appearances in Erie last year, and .456 in about 400 in Toledo. This season, he's slugging the ball even harder, but getting on base far less. In 434 plate appearances, his line is a .273 average, .316 on-base percentage and .527 slugging. Some of the drop in average seems to be bad luck, some can be attributed to hitting more fly balls than normal.
Another thing you can say: It's great to see him get a chance to make an MLB debut and live his dream, but it probably doesn't mean much either way from a wins and losses standpoint. It's just more evidence of how badly the Tigers season has gone that we're seeing all these debuts from quite a few career minor leaguers. Hopefully one of them is lightning in a bottle and can keep the team in the division. I suspect that is what GM Dave Dombrowski is trying to do, anyway. At the very least, he'll have more information to plan with in the future, or maybe they'll catch another GM's eye.
A word on Larish: I don't know why but he just can't seem to get the job done. Then again he's never given a lot of time to turn things around. He had just two hits, both singles, in 10 at-bats since being called up over the weekend, but he faced some pretty tough pitchers. With all the injuries this year I thought the Tigers might give him a shot to play for awhile to show them whether he belongs, but what they gave him can hardly be considered a shot.
I'm not too worried about whether not he or Wilkin Ramirez are lost, though. Ultimately, we're talking about unrealized potential and potential bench players, not stars. I find it hard to get too worried over that.
This season is getting surreal fast.
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There is a shakeup going on in the Tiger organization
Since Glenn Ezell unexpectedly retired in the middle of the draft in June (he says he didn’t quit), there have been 96 moves (reassignments, free agent signings, or releases). If you add in the draft related moves there are close to 150. Add in another 20 or so that are related to major league promotions. That’s a tremendous amount of movement during the season in just over a month’s time.
Larish being DFA’ed bugs me a bit. True that he looked totally over matched at the plate in the recent series. But here is a player that has hit and hit for power at every level he has played at, and he supplements a good batting average with another 100 point in his OBP by drawing the BB about 10 per cent of the time. He has a plate discipline that most of our prospects are lacking. At every level he has played, it takes him time to get going. It can NOT be said that he was given an opportunity in the major leagues. I’d have called him up ahead of Sizemore, and I’d have used him at third ahead of Peralta.
Things are being shaken up, and they need to be. There are vacancies all over the diamond after this year, and not one, by my count, prospect is ready to fill the vacancies other than maybe Boesch.
by Tigerdog1 on Jul 29, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Take a look at the disabled list.
Is there a better time to find out what we have and who can play at this level?
by RealityIsOptionable on Jul 29, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Should have been a time to see what Larish can do, but instead we get Peralta.
by Tigerdog1 on Jul 29, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe now
Larish will start listening to his hitting coaches instead of his Dad.
by RealityIsOptionable on Jul 29, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
What he's done has worked at every level, until he gets to the show.
by Tigerdog1 on Jul 29, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, because he's gotten a real opportunity.
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Daniel Fields is better than you.
by David Tokarz on Jul 29, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, DT.
BTW- I seem to be in agreement with you 92.3 per cent of the time, but we seem to gravitate towards the areas of disagreement here and there. Human nature, I guess. No point posting what we all agree about !
D-E-F-E-N-S-E
I think the team might be tired of players without positions. I think Larish is a victim of “Where the hell can we play him?” I don’t think they WANT a bunch of guys playing out of position, but we don’t have many choices when ALL of our decent prospects are OF, 1B, or SP.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
"I think the team might be tired of players without positions."
Don Kelly is really happy that he is a forgettable kind of guy.
"Look at Hugo Chavez--Soccer!"
Nothing that surprising really
This Tigers team was built with no depth. There is a ton of money and talent at the top, but especially with the position players, there isn’t a solid core of role players and regular MLB talent, nor is there a farm system capable of providing endless replacements.
This isn’t a knock on Dombrowski. He built as he could, focusing on pitching talent because that comes at a higher premium, and is not as hit-and-miss. Developing position player is a crapshoot, so we haven’t played; he built the team with established guys. He signed free agents, and traded some of those guys and spare parts for established B+ guys. If Brennan Boesch doesn’t Shelton-out, he’s the first MLB regular position player the Tigers’ farm system has produced since Granderson (not counting Maybin, who’s still not MLB ready despite an Encarnacion-ish bag of tools).
This is a fine way to build a ballclub, but comes with a caveat: when a few prize horses break down, the thing can’t move.
This series against Tampa Bay wasn’t about Tigers playing badly. We’ve seen plenty of those kinds of series to know them when we see them. This is about talent. How do we know? Because they starting intentionally walking Miguel Cabrera, knowing the likelihood of a bat after him doing any damage is rather slim. Because Will Rhymes is batting 2nd. What is Will Rhymes?
Will Rhymes is the Nick Sheridan of Tiger baseball. You like him, sure. You may even point out that he’s not the worse player. But he is clearly less talented than every other Major League ballplayer. If he’s the guy you’re stuck batting before the No. 1 RBI-producing machine in the American League, then, well, your team is not good.
The Zumaya injury was horrible. It made the Tigers go from a B+ team to a B, which in the AL Central is the difference between contending and spending September knowing where .500 is. Take Magglio and Inge and Guillen out of that lineup and plug in replacement players, and now the Tigers are a decidedly A- pitching team and D+ hitting team. Voila: your best hitter’s OBP skyrockets with IBBs, and a progression of 4-2 losses makes .500 start looking pretty damn good.
There’s no “throwing in the towel” in this. Simply put, we are fielding a team now that can pitch like 2006 but hits like 2003. If you think we’re really going to just make it through this spell, you’ve got too much faith in a misplaced ‘h’ in the name Jhonny.
L'Équipe! L'Équipe! L'Équipe!
I don't see a team pitching anywhere close to 2006
The rotation is 12th in the league in starting pitchers ERA, 10th or lower in WHIP, strikeouts, and almost every major pitching category. The bullpen has saved the pitching staff from being a total embarrassment. There are signs of coming out of it, but they’ve been very poor this season.
I don't understand
Seemed to me like Wilkin and Larish both had trade value. Not much, but enough that releasing them doesn’t make any sense.
Is DD in trouble? These moves, plus the trhade, seem like the haphazard spasms of a guy trying to keep his job.
Rotoworld reports that Larish has been optioned, not Designated for assignment
HUUUUUGE difference for Jeff. Frazier is not on the 40 man roster, so someone has to be taken off. If not Larish, then who?
Pretty sure Larish would have an option
but for this transaction type, I don’t think it matters, the 40 man roster is about “protection” and only so many spots to protect
A shame, it couldn’t have hurt at this point to make Larish into a full timer, he has never been given a fair shot
Beck also assumes that he'll be put on waivers.
Not necessarily. They have ten days to trade him, release him, or outright him.
The latter two require that he clears waivers.
If they want to outright him, he can refuse, since he was outrighted last November. He can either declare himself a free agent now or at the end of the season, or accept the assignment.
yeah I take my roster moves right from the official_tiger tweets
so I’ll take their word over a fantasy baseball site!
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 29, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing to remember, fans almost always over value minor leagers
I tend to side with the Tigers on most of these moves. This isn’t the first time Larish has gotten been up with the big club, and the Tigers have seen enough to be apparently convinced he’s a 4A player. At 27 years old, the days of Larish being a prospect have passed.
As Kurt, said, DD is trying to catch lightning in a bottle..much as they did with Boesch. But I’m not expecting much from Frazier either.
I'm owner/editor of The Wayne Fontes Experience a deputy editor at Bless You Boys and co-host The Knee Jerks podcast.
Agreed, no hand-wringing
over the recent minor roster moves. Larish, Frazier, et al, are interchangeably mediocre. What matters are trades and free agents, and guys like Bonderman coming off the books in 2011.
The only thing we need to do for the remainder of 2010 is try to keep Cabrera in his happy place for 2011.
Baseball Geek
by StorminNormanCash on Jul 29, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope
we haven’t seen him slipping from that place this week. 1 RBI on a HR so far this week and all those IBBs gotta be wearing on him.
Rooting for Tiger stripes, not pinstripes
by JerseyTigerFan on Jul 29, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
"try to keep Cabrera in his happy place for 2011."
This!
I'm owner/editor of The Wayne Fontes Experience a deputy editor at Bless You Boys and co-host The Knee Jerks podcast.
Not surprised
They finally got tired of waiting for him to come around. Wilkin and Larish have been huge wastes of talent so far.
I think that Larish has been DFA'ed but he's not out of options.
Rotoworld is wrong about him being optioned. If he wasn’t then someone else has to come off the roster.
But Jason is incorrect about him being out of options. His contract was purchased in 2008. He was optioned in 2008 and 2009. This would be his third option year, but he hasn’t been optioned yet.
Okay, the media is getting this all wrong.
Rotoworld reports that Larish was optioned.
Mlive.com reports generically that he’s been “sent back to Toledo”.
The Tiger website says, in the transaction list, that he has been DFA’ed.
Jason Beck also says that he has been DFA’ed. Jason also says he’s out of options.
Eddie Bajek shows that he’s not out of options.
The transaction blog shows his contract was purchased in 2008, and he was optioned in 2008 and 2008.
Here’s Tigerdog’s verdict
Larish has been designated for assignment, but he is not out of options.
Rotoworld is wrong, Mlive is wrong, and Jason Beck is also mistaken.
Eddie Bajek is correct (on detroittigersthoughts.com) and Lynn Henning is correct.
Solved.
Probably right.
Optioning does no good because they want the 40 man spot.
I believe they could call up Cletus, put him on the 60 day DL, and they'd have a spot
They’d have to pay him major league salary instead of minor league salary for two months (400 K vs 65K) but they could save Larish or Ramirez from being put through waivers, if they wanted
by Tigerdog1 on Jul 29, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's what I figured
but if they wanted to do that with Mike Thomas, they would have by now.
Serious lack of confidence shown in both Larish and Sizemore
Larish is playing 3B at Toledo, and gets passed up by Sizemore, who hasn’t played there for years, then he gets 10 AB’s and is DFA’ed even though he has an option left.
Sizemore is supposed to be the starting 2B, but gets left behind for Jhonny Peralta, and Will Rhymes gets his old job at 2B while Guillen is healing for a couple weeks.
What does this say about the future for both of these guys? If their time was not now, when?
I just got an e mail reply from Jason Beck
He confirms that Larish has an option left. He hasn’t corrected his blog yet.

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