Will the Tigers target shortstop, pitching or catching? You make the call
by BigAl on Jul 7, 2010 2:03 PM EDT
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PrintWe're one week into July, just past the halfway mark of the season, three weeks away from the non-waiver trade deadline, and less than a week before the season shuts down for the All-Star break. The Tigers find themselves on top of the AL Central in what has become a ménage à trois with those damned Twins and the despised White Sox.
We're deep enough into the season where it's become obvious the Tigers are playoff contenders, not pretenders. They'll be buyers, not sellers, at the July 31st trade deadline.
With the Tigers generally being thought of as buyers, the guessing game has begun as to what the Tigers might do, what position (or positions) they may target. But the most often mentioned areas in need of improvement are...
- Shortstop
- Starting pitcher
- Catcher
- Relief pitcher
I'm throwing this out to the BYB hive mind. What position do you think the Tigers' brain trust is going to target?
The need for a shortstop is a given, as the Tigers can't be happy platooning a pair of players they consider utility men, Ramon Santiago and Danny Worth, at such an important position. Short term, they're OK stopgaps. Long term, the Tigers desperately need someone better.
Adding another starting pitcher has long been thought to be a need, even more so considering the constant juggling the Tigers have had to do with their rotation over the past 3 months. The only 2 pitchers who have not been removed from the rotation for injury, ineffectiveness, or a combination thereof are Justin Verlander and Jeremy Bonderman. Max Scherzer has stepped up big time since returning from Mud Hens exile, and the just sent down Armando Galarraga has had his moments, but the only starter who has an ERA under 4 is Verlander.
At catcher, Alex Avila's bat is starting to show life, but he's still only hitting .222. Gerald Laird is battling mightily to get his average above the Mendoza line...but is failing miserably at .188. The Tigers somehow finding a catcher who can hit more than his weight would be the equivalent of manna from Heaven. Unfortunately, finding a big league ready catcher on the open market is about as rare as finding a Dodo bird. It's not going to happen.
With Joel Zumaya's season coming to a scary and untimely end, finding a bullpen arm may have become the most pressing need. Sure, Phil Coke has been very, very good. But we're still not sure if Ryan Perry is ready to become the full time 8th inning setup man, Daniel Schlereth still looks as if he needs more seasoning, and the remainder of the pen arms tend to be middle to long reliever types.
According to Lynn Henning's latest at the Detroit News, the Tigers will try to address these needs. But in his opinion, the Tigers will go in one specific direction.
Reliever makes most sense
Another possibility, this one the most likely of all scripts: The Tigers will trade for a relief pitcher to protect them against all the arms they've lost in 2010.
Dave Dombrowski is walking a fine line between contending this season, and remaining one for years to come. Meaning players like Diamondbacks' shortstop Stephen Drew and Mariners' starting pitcher Cliff Lee may be thought of as too costly in terms of the major league ready prospects needed to make such a deal.
It's unlikely, but it's entirely possible the Tigers will do nothing. They've made into first place this deep into the season despite all the roster churn, so why couldn't they continue to juggle the roster for couple of months more?
Personally, I'd love to see the Tigers add a shortstop with some pop...but it's a pipe dream.
It wouldn't be the most glamorous of moves, but I have to agree with Henning. The most likely addition(s) to the roster will be a bullpen arm(s).
But that's my opinion. What's yours?
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What I want and what we'll get are two very different things.
Because I’m sure we’re just going to be getting bullpen help.
Most of us will be unhappy
There are no perfect solutions.
I vote stand pat for two reasons:
1) I don’t think the 2010 Tigers are “a player away.”
2) Even if they are “a player away” I don’t think he’s available.
So let’s let this season ride. Let the young hitters and pitchers develop, let’s keep our “lottery tickets” in the minors, let’s get rid of some large contracts in the offseason and then try to sign those free agents that can make a difference.
Makes the most sense....
I think your 2 points are dead on….Unless it is a “rental” someone wants to get rid of very much on the cheap…
Couldn't disagree more.
You don’t need a “perfect solution” to win the AL Central. If the Tigers could pick up Cliff Lee, Roy Oswalt, Dan Haren, and/ or Stephen Drew, that puts the Tigers in the front seat in the division. They may not even need one player. Last time I checked the Tigers were leading the division.
There’s not a single prospect other than Turner or Porcello that I would not deal for any of the above players. In fact, pick any two. Even with Lee, he comes with two first round compensation picks if they don’t extend him, and he’s the front runner for the AL Cy Young at the moment. Not one “prospect” on the Tiger farm, except Porcello or Turner, have a better than even chance of being an above average major league player, IMO. Not one. If we can get a good player for them, do it.
And even if the Tigers don’t make a trade at this time, DD will have to go shopping next winter with at least $ 60 million off the books from the expiration of the bad contracts that he signed in the past. We’ll need a shortstop, 3B, and at least one starting pitcher. At least in the infield, there are slim pickins on the free agent market and a trade will have to be made anyway. Better to do it now, if possible.
If I were the owner of the Tigers, sitting a half game up after 82 games, and my GM said he was going to “stand pat”, I’d fire him on the spot.
Crosby
Projects as a #2. I’d deal him reluctantly if we got a really good offer.
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Winning the Central and Winning the World Series are two very different things
When I talk about being one player away, I mean for the world series. I think we might win the ALCS if we stand pat, and if we do make a trade I think… we might win the ALCS. I’m not sure who we could get that makes me think we’ll “definitely win the ALCS.”
Mainly because we rely on a ton of rookies, who have turned out good.
“Stand pat” to me meant “build a world series contender over time” as opposed to “mortgage the future for a 2010 team that relies heavily on rookies”
If the goal is the World Series
Then I think Cliff Lee is the man. The Twins are offering 2 prospects. If we swoop in and get him, not only does he stay out of Minnesota, but think about a Verlander, Lee, Scherzer, Bonderman rotation for the 2nd half and the play-offs. Pitching wins play-off series.
Then, in the off season we either use some of the $60mil to sign Lee long term (Verlander, Lee looks pretty good as a long term 1-2), or we have two more #1 picks to replenish the farm with.
To me, if you are going to make a move, make it a good one. A pitcher like Lee, or stand pat and wait for the wheat to grow on the farm.
Even with the money off the books, they can't sign Lee long term
Keep in mind they’ll need that money to get new SS, 3B, and if you don’t win it all with him, you’re screwed because the system isn’t strong enough to just drop 2 top prospects from it. Even with the draft picks, it’s going to be a couple years before they’re even close to anything, and that’s if they even sign. Lots of risk there.
If the Tigers signed cliff lee they’d end up with 3 guys making a total of 60 mil for the next 4 years. that kind of commitment is just too steep for a team like Detroit.
Meh
The playoffs are a crapshoot. See the 2006 Cardinals.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 7, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
%100 agree
Brain says Lee or nothing, but 1 of those others maybe??? worth a chance. I’d trade any of that wheat for Lee then try to sign him for future as well. I’ll spend Mr I’s $$ on 1. resigning (hopefully) C. Lee 2. J. De Larosa 3. Crawford insert at #2 Quality SS if one becomes available
If that's Jorge De La Rosa you want to sign
I like it.
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Don't need to trade for bullpen help
The Tigers are well stocked in the minors with relieve pitchers, why do you think DD has been calling up Fien, Sborz and company lately? An audition to see if they are ready and what to use in a trade. I would be perfectly fine to see the Tigers not trade for bullpen help as they have it already in their system. BigAl is dead wrong about Perry not being ready for the 8th inning spot, as that was his spot before his shoulder injury. The rotation as Zoom, Coke, than Perry, Tigers reshuffled after Perrys injury, they will get by again. I would like ot see a trade for Lee and possibly Wilson for short (this season only for Wilson as the Tigers have about 5 SS prospects). Now that Inge is healthy again, I do not see a need for 3rd and do not see why so many Tigers fans are down on this guy. If anyone could play 3rd, anyone would already be playing 3rd, it is not the easiest position to play and i will take .250 from Inge and his great glove work over .280 from anyone else who can’t get to half the balls Inge does. The Tigers do need to look at converting some of those SS prospects to 3rd and 2nd though, as though are future needs that will need filling. as far as Porcello goes, I would not be surprised if we never saw him in Comerica again, except as a spectator. As a rook he had 3 pitches, fastball, ,curve and slider and the whole league hammered his curve last year. This season he was told to junk the curve so everyone just sat on the fastball as he could not get the slider over for strikes, you need more than 2 pitches to be a successful starter in this league. He got away with smoke and mirrors last year and it caught up with him this season.
I agree, stand fast for this year see what happens!
tigers don’t need a pitcher we have verlander & max so, but we need of a ss and catcher so
by '' spiderman '' on Jul 8, 2010 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I've been pounding on DD to get us a real shortstop since 2006.
But the Tigers may be able to get by with Santiago and Worth in the hole IF we get solid pitching. No way that they can win this thing if we don’t get better starting pitching, though.
DD should go about looking for a SS starting yesterday, but the priority has to be the rotation,with SS and a set up reliever behind that on the shopping list. No sense waiting til winter for that SS, cuz there ain’t one on the market.
by Tigerdog1 on Jul 7, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I was against Rent-a-shortstop
both because I knew he had no range as he proved with the Braves, and because Jurrjens was one of my favorite prospects in the Tiger system. I knew that DD would trade JJ, because he’s not six foot thirteen with a big frame. Just like he’d trade Badenhop, or any other smaller framed starting pitcher if he can. DD said after the 08 season that he was “surprised” at the lack of Renteria’s range. That’s like being surprised at D Train’s lack of control. Everyone else could see it.
Which makes you wonder if they'd even be interested in an Oswalt
He’s 4’11.
by ChrisDTX on Jul 7, 2010 4:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Call him a relief pitcher.
The organization will jump through hoops to get another reliever.
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Big-time SS don't grow on trees
And the ones that are out there ain’t going anywhere. The best bet there is to draft/develop one, which is where this organization has failed.
As for July 31, I’d stand pat. DD has screwed the pooch royally on in-season acquisitions (see: Huff, Aubrey or Washburn, Jarrod)
by ChrisDTX on Jul 7, 2010 2:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ramon Santiago has been good enough
And Drew is overrated. No thanks.
Starting pitching would be oh so excellent. Galarraga can’t be trusted, Oliver most likely isn’t ready, and Porcello is a question mark. Even Bonderman has had a rough go of it lately. A quality starting pitcher of almost any kind would be a huge help.
by ozymandius1024 on Jul 7, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
C'mon Kevin
Drew is way better than Santiago.
Yeah, but how much?
He’s more expensive, would cost prospects (because of his perceived value), the defense is a wash (Santiago might actually be better), and Drew’s career away SLG is a shade over .400. (with a .302 OBP to go with it)
Drew is the 12th best SS in majors according to OPS+ this season (Ramon is around the 21st, they’re separated by like 10 points, wow), and Stephen gets to play half of his games in Chase Field. That just doesn’t sound very appealing to me.
by ozymandius1024 on Jul 8, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
And this is coming from someone
Who has never been a Ramon Santiago supporter. I just really don’t want Stephen Drew (for what it’s going to cost in prospects, and monetarily)
by ozymandius1024 on Jul 8, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I tend to not make trade proposals because I'm not a GM
But…trade Inge to the Yankees for Damaso Marte. Move Guillen to 3B where he’ll do less damage with the glove. Slide Worth to 2B until Sizemore is healthy enough to return. This puts 2 lefties out there for late inning matchups vs. Minny down the stretch.
I say this because NYY is looking for an A-Rod backup who can play multiple positions and has a little pop. That sounds like Inge to me.
by ChrisDTX on Jul 7, 2010 2:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
My thinking is Inge's production will crater soon
And that Sizemore will be ready to return to the bigs after the break at some point. I can deal with Santiago everyday for a couple of weeks and then a Worth/Santiago platoon after that. With the paucity of available SS, I think Detroit is kind of stuck with those two anyway.
by ChrisDTX on Jul 7, 2010 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well CD, if we're stuck with them now, then we're stuck with them next year, too.
Cuz there ain’t much on the market at SS this winter. Maybe a Cesar Izturis or something. Might as well go shopping now. Ideally, we get a SS that can bat in the one or two spot. I still like the idea of hitting up the T Rays for one of their surplus infielders. Bartlett would be the cheapest with his numbers and contract status. Maybe Zobrist could be had going into arby this winter. Sean Rodriguez or Brignac would cost more in prospects. I like Pacman, but his range is very limited.
I think we can count on Inge having a prolonged slump every year. When the sun comes up every day all your life, you get to expect it to be in the eastern sky the next day, too. He is what he is. For now, he’s on a roll and he’s helping the team. I could even go with him for another year, but can we please have a backup plan for a change?
Zobrist signed a long-term deal.
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I'm more inclined to do a "big" deal in the offseason
The market is more stable, as there aren’t 15 or more teams panicking to make themselves better in a short timeframe. Go trade for a SS then. I don’t think that position makes or breaks the 2010 Tigers.
by ChrisDTX on Jul 7, 2010 5:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ahh exactly
I didn’t think that one through. Was rushed and did it over my lunch break. My mistake
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SIZEMORE??
Are you serious???,,,, he can’t catch a cold at second, has no range, can’t hit, for power or average,and his arm is suspect. Sounds like a career Mud Hen.
by Phenomenal Bob on Aug 1, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Starting pitching, please
Doesn’t take a very good guy to upgrade the back end of this rotation. C only if a decent bat kind of falls in our lap, because there really don’t seem to be any good options available. SS and RP would be wastes of prospects. Unless a good SS becomes available. Which won’t happen.
I have been tooting the Reyes horn for a long time
but the question is what you think the Tigers WILL do, and I think SS and SP are just too demanded in this market with a high number of teams being “buyers” and true talent being hard to come by at these marquee positions. I think you will see a c/b level pitching prospect and a wilkin ramirez type moved for a good setup man, but thats just me, forgive me for not including a true trade (/sarcasmfont/FURBUSH AND WILKIN FOR REYES! IT’LL WORK! /Sarcasmfont) I have tried to work dilligently for a few days in a row.
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by JoelZumayaKegStand on Jul 7, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions
I Don't Understand
Why we haven’t showed any interest in Cliff Lee. If the M’s are at all interested in the Twins’ subpar prospect package, why don’t we throw them Wilkin and 2 ML arms.. Crosby/__? I know, I know, Crosby is tabbed as something special, and I too believe he’ll be good…but with his history of arm trouble and no proven results thus far, I say dangle him out there. After all, I’d be totally fine giving him up for a proven product. Lee would give us the solid top of the rotation lefty that we’ve coveted for years. Some may say that he’d bolt for the Yankees after this year’s over, but Illitch has the money and Detroit has the fanbase to entice Lee to stay put.
I’m just saying…
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Cause it's not a subpar prospect package
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You mean Wilkin Ramirez isn't enough!?!
But he’s throwing in other prospects who aren’t our best ones as well!
A deal for an ace pitcher isn’t going to happen unless Detroit gives up Turner or Porcello.
by ozymandius1024 on Jul 7, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
No
The Twins package is not a subpar package. That’s a damn fine package for a 3 month rental.
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Indeed.
What’s especially nasty about it is that the Ramos half of it is essentially free to them, since he’s pretty much the most blocked player in all of MiLB.
I don't want to hear any weak sh*t from Jason Grilli.
by cherub_daemon on Jul 7, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
...and...you said this below...
my bad.
I don't want to hear any weak sh*t from Jason Grilli.
by cherub_daemon on Jul 7, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
A 3B in the Mets system might be more blocked
Or a 1B in the Cards…
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Okay
I guess I don’t know the Twins’ system well enough to go and dub it subpar, so my mistake there. However, consider everything else I said for debate.. Wouldn’t a package from our end make sense?
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Aaron Hicks and Wilson Ramos is a pretty sweet package
I almost hope the Twins pull the trigger ifthey will be losing those two.
by ChrisDTX on Jul 7, 2010 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is pretty much exactly what I want
Cause he’s not coming back to that team after this season.
by ozymandius1024 on Jul 7, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
But what of this season?
Lee to the Twins instantly makes them the favorites of the 3 contenders for the Central. Even with the Twins losing Hicks, Ramos and Lee next year doesn’t put Detroit in that much better of a position, despite all the salary coming off the books. So getting the pennant next year still wouldn’t be a sure thing, and this year’d be in much more serious doubt.
I don't buy that Lee makes them an instant favorite
Obviously he helps, but he’s only going to make like 18 more starts. That leaves 60+ other games that they have to figure out how to win.
by ChrisDTX on Jul 7, 2010 4:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And those other two guys, what are their names...
Oh yeah, Morneau and Mauer!!!
by DetroitTigersGeek on Jul 7, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
They don't need just one piece
But with 3 teams within 2 games of each other at the mid-point,, any advantage over 18 games is likely enough. It’s close enough to equilibrium now.
They already have a plan
Why do you think they signed Jim Thome? They don’t really need another DH, and they probably had mixed feelings when he passed Harmon Killebrew on the HR list. They know that he has more HRs against Detroit than anyone, and he no doubt wants to beat Chicago too. Lee would give them a chance against the Yankees or the Rays, both of whom have better pitching than Minnesota.
Ramos is blocked anyways
So I hope they have to sit on him.
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The M's would probably be better off keeping Lee if they don't get a monster package that both helps immediately and down the road.
The picks lost makes dealing him a push.
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Ramos and Hicks is not a sub par package. They're both legit prospects.
But I’d rather have a first round pick than Crosby at this point.
Their GM was in the house
Last weekend when Seattle was in town their GM was in one of our nice booths watching the game. We don’t know if he was looking at any of our players or if DD & him were talking about a deal. DD likes to keep things silent until all is worked out. I can’t see DD letting the Twinns or any team in our division getting their hands on Lee.
by TigersFan1957 on Jul 8, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Roy Oswalt from Houston?
Houston is looking for minor leaguers to rebuild the farm system. I think that he could be a solid #2 behind JV and ahead of Bondo. I bet they would jump at the trade if we threw in a utility player like Rayburn or a top prospect (Casper Wells). Just my thought on the situation.
Now if DD could get two arms in the deal (Oswalt + reliever), I’d be overjoyed with the deal.
Seriously, they aren't using Lyon to close, and he has $ 10 mil for two years left....
The Stroh’s are almost mathematically eliminated from NEXT year’s race!
It'd take a lot more than Raburn/Wells to get Oswalt
Especially since the Astros are looking to eat salary and get prospects AND Oswalt can refuse a trade to DET (no trade clause).
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Texas two-step
Oswalt is probably going to the Rangers if they can get their ownership worked out by the deadline.
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I get it
I say we shouldn’t trade a blue-chipper and I get yelled at. You say we shouldn’t trade a mid-teens ranged prospect and nothing.
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SP
Sure a SS would be ideal but aside from S. Drew who wouldn’t be a huge upgrade there isn’t much available.
A starting pitcher seems like a must.
Cliff Lee looks like zero chance of that happening.
Roy Oswalt would be great
Dan Haren is somebody I would love. How cone I don’t see his name thrown around here that much? AZ is an obvious trading partner as it’s worked in the past.
by bp29er on Jul 7, 2010 4:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don't think we'll get any bargains from Arizona
New GM looking to make an impression and break the bank with Drew and Haren…I am intrigued by Escobar from ATL. I don’t think he’ll be a bargain, but I think he is gettable for what we have.
Strongly doubt the Braves trade Escobar
They’re in 1st place, and don’t really have anyone waiting in the wings to take his place. Except for Elvis Andrus. No, wait…
by ChrisDTX on Jul 7, 2010 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not making this up...
I read where they have made him available because he is not a Bobby Cox kind of guy.
by TonyOrlando78 on Jul 7, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Slightly OT
But Peavy has a detached muscle. Olney speculates it could be season-ending. The Sox aren’t prospect-heavy, but that adds another player to the SP market.
by ChrisDTX on Jul 7, 2010 4:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Daniel Hudson has been pulled from the futures game
Likely going to replace Peavy in the Black Sox rotation
Yeah.
As much as I hate the Sux, the way he held his right arm and hobbled around the field reminded me of Zumaya’s injury. Horrible for Peavy, who has really anchored a disappointing White Sox rotation.
And don’t count out Kenny Williams. He comes out of no where to grab a player he deems necessary!
by DetroitTigersGeek on Jul 7, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless...
Dombrowski decides that Porcello is going to fizzle as quickly as Andrew Miller and puts him on the block I fail to see how we have anything worth trading for the kind of player who would make a legitimate difference. Lee is a pipe dream, he’s probably going to Minny. In the offseason on the otherhand Dombrowski is high if he doesn’t make a play for Lee as a free agent.
Did Andrew Miller ever not fizzle...
It’s not fair that everyone is “writing off” or even CONSIDERING writing off Kid Rick.
Seriously, if he’s traded now, his value is ridiculously low.
And, oh yeah, he’s 21, under a cheap, team-controlled contract, has ACE potential, and have I mentioned HE’S YOUNG!
Why does everyone think that young pitchers WON’T struggle?
by DetroitTigersGeek on Jul 7, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't have ace potential unless the K rate goes up.
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Yea
More of a 2/3 type of guy. Not over powering-enough to be considered an ace
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Unless the K rate goes up
Which is why he should spend until about August 15th in Toledo. That way I get to see him, too.
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remember, Zake Greinke as a rookies last year but..........
this year is a other think, Greinke below .500 as far as pitching goes, he is horrible so far this year who would think, just last year,, one of the best pitchers around the Major Leagues, he earned a cy award , but going south on him, go fugure!
by '' spiderman '' on Jul 8, 2010 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think people are underrating the possiblilty of signing Lee from free agency.
I don’t think it’s going to happen, but I think we have the money to get him with all the contracts coming off the books. It’s just a matter of can we get him without fu-…um… screwing ourselves in the future if he sucks.
I guess that’s obvious, though.
Verlander/Lee/Scherzer/Bonderman/??? would be nice, wouldn’t it?
Yes, I’m done rosterbating, in case you were wondering.
Yankees want him
No dice.
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Yankees want everyone...
Image them getting Lee and Crawford…
Rotation: CC, Lee, Burnett, Hughes, Pettitte. Sick.
by DetroitTigersGeek on Jul 7, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably kick Pettite
For Vasquez.
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Yankees has the most power and money to spear
yes, it is sick, CC,Lee,Burnett,Hughes,Pettitte, however, tigers and minnesota or chicago don’t have much dollars in their banking account in fact over budget to say the least!
by '' spiderman '' on Jul 8, 2010 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Chicago will fail to get Dunn, and will go after Adam LaRoche instead
I think the Bravos could go after Jermaine Dye, and John Smoltz could wind up pitching again, maybe in Detroit
I want them to get a Shortstop, but.....
It’s not worth the cost.
Reyes- ain’t happening.
HanRam- forget it.
Drew- possible, but his cost would be moderately high I would think (affordable, long-term, average shortstop in a weak shortstop market).
Haren- intriguing, and I like this, his value is low, but the DBacks aren’t stupid and will get as much as possible.
Lee- HAHAHAHAHA. Forget it.
OswalT- kinda pricey, but under contract for a while; his numbers are good, but will he’s pitching in the NL Central…
All in all, I think we should stand pat.
2010 Tigers are maybe good enough to win the AL Central, but whoever we do add won’t put us over the top. And like everyone else is saying, even if we were a player away, he’s not available and even if he was, he would cost waaaaaayyy too much.
by DetroitTigersGeek on Jul 7, 2010 4:59 PM EDT reply actions
agreed
i think you’re right – drew, haren, and oswalt are names that they could target. there are probably a couple of others. personally i’m not sure any of those NL talents really do much for us.
Haren has pitched very effectively in the AL before
But I doubt anyone wants to give up what it would take to get him (I’d give them whatever they wanted, but that’s just me).
by ozymandius1024 on Jul 7, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd take Oswalt if they didn't want anything major
I’d prefer to eat the contract, and with the youth movement emphasized by DD and the front office last offseason, I could see that (if Illich wants to pony up). Maybe Villareal + Lebron for Oswalt?
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What's your take on Villareal? Sell high?
by DetroitTigersGeek on Jul 7, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll chime in since I have watched several of his starts
Sell high on Villarreal
Sell high on Furbush
Wilk is pretty interesting, I’d like to watch him a bit more
Sell high on Putkonen
Don’t give up on Turner yet
Sell Crosby in a package if you can get an ace in return
by JAYRC on Jul 7, 2010 9:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pretty much
I’d sell high on Villareal since I think he’s a relief arm in the end. I’d say that Furbush isn’t really a guy we could sell high on (he’s a major injury risk), but everything else seems about right.
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Free Scott Sizemore.
I doubt anyone wants Lebron..seriously
His numbers are through the roof, in a not so good way
by JAYRC on Jul 7, 2010 9:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No one wants LeBron...?
I beg to differ.
by DetroitTigersGeek on Jul 7, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The ball's on his left thigh!
He’s going to the Knicks!
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Free Scott Sizemore.
Live arm
He’s the kind of risky prospect that makes a good throw-in.
Assist. Editor, Minor League Division, Bless You Boys
Free Scott Sizemore.
No 'tude though
Lebron is about as good a teammate as Milton Bradley.
Cliff Lee in Minnesota?
eitherway, we are talking short term not long term,but, Twinkies already reach their limit as far as, budgeted goes,let me say, if Lee lands in Minnesota, the tigers will survive! but if Lee lands in twinky town now Minnesota has a huge problem called ’’overbudget’’, remember, Cliff Lee want as much dollars has possible so, considering that objective,‘’ is the price right’’?…. for the tigers they are over budget, and minnesota same situition so, good luck those teams that want Cliff Lee,happy budgeting!
DD Always pulls something off
DD has a knack of sneaking in the back door where no one is looking and pulls something out of his hat. I’ll think he’ll do so again. No, I dont think the Tigs should stay pat, but not sell the farm either. I would not want to give up our top propects for a “Rent a Lee”for 1/2 season. It would be great to get a SS. And, there may be a team out there who wants to unload thier SS to save money and have a hot SS coming up in thier farm system. It could happen. I think I saw a stat where our SS position for production is the 2nd lowest in all of MLB. My prediction is, the tigers obtain some kind of infielder or SS and (insurance against Carlos). And they will try and get another relief pitcher with MLB experience. I dont think well go with a starter. Porcello could still come back, and the jury is still out on Oliver. He has pitched decent in 2 out of his 3 starts. In the off season we will need to shop for a catcher and a ss. As someone pointed out, winning the division is one thing vs going all the way. If were going to go all the way, we need more pitching and I dont see that we have it as of right now.
Not to piss on the parade or anything
But realistically we are NOT in the running for Lee, Haren, Oswalt or anyone major like that. We simply DO NOT have the prospects necessary to get any of those guys. Seattle wants (and will get) two blue chips and another decent guy. Look down any list of our top prospects: we DON’T HAVE TWO BLUE CHIPS. Turner’s one. The only one:
Crosby was hurt and now he’s getting knocked around on a rehab assignment.
Sizemore and Avila haven’t impressed in the bigs
Trading Boesch or Oliver makes no sense for detroit
Strieby, Wilkin, Wells and Nunez are all having shitty years.
Fields can’t be traded yet, and he’s not been impressive anyways.
Nobody is going to want our sloppy seconds when teams like the twins, yanks, rangers, red sox and rays can EASILY flip two legit blue chips for a guy like Lee or Haren. Does anyone think Dombrowski’s going to trade Turner and Porcello for Lee? Because that (and another legit guy) is probably what it takes. We’re going to be sitting this one out, save for a bullpen arm or something.
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