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Deja Vu dept: Guillen on DL, Rhymes recalled

NEW YORK - AUGUST 16:  Brett Gardner #11 of the New York Yankees collides with Carlos Guillen #9 of the Detroit Tigers after completing a game ending double play on August 16 2010 at Yankee Stadium in the Bronx borough of New York City. The Tigers defeated the Yankees 3-1.  (Photo by Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)

No, this isn't a repost from back in July...though it could be.

Carlos Guillen made a spectacular turn on a game ending double play Monday night. But he came up limping after being taken out by the Yankees' Brett Gardner.

When Guillen wasn't in Tuesday's lineup...well, we all had a feeling the end result of the game clinching play wasn't going to end well.

It didn't...

Via the Tigers' official Twitter:

Guillen placed on 15-day DL with deep contusion in left knee retroactive to 8/17. Rhymes recalled from Triple A Toledo. #mlb

Will Rhymes, who played respectably when called up the last time Guillen's body broke down, replaces him on the 25 man roster. Say what you will about Rhymes (career minor leaguer, he's shorter than Gary Coleman, a Leyland kind of player...for better or worse), at least he stays healthy.

Star-divide

On my time spent on this planet Earth, I've learned there are three certainties in life: Death, taxes, and Carlos Guillen spending a significant amount of time on the DL. Old joke, but it still fits...and always will.

I like Carlos Guillen as much as the next guy, and he's been a very good Tiger, both on the field and off.  But if the Tigers can't use Guillen strictly as a DH or depend upon him to stay healthy for more than a few weeks at a time...Maybe it's the frustration talking, but let's just say the Tigers may need to explore other options...even if it means eating $13M.

 But what good is Guillen to the Tigers when he's on the DL more often than...Hell, there's no one on the DL more often than Guillen.

Which is why my patience with him has run out.

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Sizemore passed over again!

Scott Sizemore was supposed to be the answer at second base when the season started, but now he’s passed over by Will Rhymes, who has zero chance of sticking as a starter in the major leagues.

I like Rhymes’s enthusiasm and energy as much as anyone, but a reality check of his talent level reveals very little on a major league scale. Defensively, he’s fine. On the bases, he’s an asset. He might be able to slap the ball past the infield about a quarter of the time, but Leyland was putting him in the No. 2 slot in the batting order. That’s maybe as much an indication of how pathetic the talent level was on the roster at the time as anything else.

Have the Tigers given up on Sizemore at 2B already? Is it his defense? Hitting, or lack thereof in his short time in the majors? What gives?

I’m willing to sit back and be entertained by David Eckstein’s look alike for a few weeks, but I’m concerned about where this organization is going in terms of finding some real talent to fill the huge vacancies that are coming after the end of this season. I see zero answers internally.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Aug 18, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

He's a great utility guy (Rhymes)

But Sizemore deserves another shot at 2B.

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by David Tokarz on Aug 18, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

David- do you have any info on Sizemore's health?

He’s had a nagging hip issue since being sent back, and we’ve seen him back and forth between DH and 3B, but no 2B except part of one game there. It looks like the plans for him have been altered, and if he’s going to be an option at 3B, do we get to have a look at him there some time this season?

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Aug 18, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

I think he’s fine as far as health goes- I’m just confused at the choice to move him.

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by David Tokarz on Aug 18, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too, unless it's a (short sighted) choice to go to 3B where there's a vacancy in 2011

and there’s no vacancy at 2B because there’s a $ 13 million player there.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Aug 18, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given that . . .

Sizemore hasn’t hit in the majors, and that the need is for an IF backup rather than a fulltime second baseperson, it would make sense to leave Sizemore at Toledo to work on his hitting.

Sizemore may well have more talent than Rhymes, but Rhymes is playing much better nowdays.

by rea on Aug 18, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sizemore can hit in AAA perfectly well

He needs to learn to adjust to the majors.

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by David Tokarz on Aug 18, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems that's ALL he needs, and WTF is he doing in AAA when NOW is the perfect time to call him up.

the ONLY thing that Sizemore needs is to adjust to the speed and pace of the major league game.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Aug 18, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Raburn theory?

More consistent at bats against the big league stuff, and eventually Sizemore will come around?

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by ahtrap on Aug 18, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

He’s a young minor league hitter. He needs time to adjust, and you might as well give it to him in a washout season.

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by David Tokarz on Aug 19, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Blech

"Look at Hugo Chavez--Soccer!"
YNWA

by baum on Aug 18, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

They should just trade him, oooohhhh thats right no would want him unless they needed depth on their IR. We need to cut ties with him at the end of the season and try to get someone that will fill in nice at 2nd.

by Rustyj517 on Aug 18, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Just had a fit of the giggles

Nice turn of phrase, with the “depth on their IR” line.

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by ahtrap on Aug 18, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Guillen on DL"

In other news, water is still wet, the sky us still blue, and yes, the Pope is still Catholic.

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by DetroitTigersGeek on Aug 18, 2010 12:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Guillen? Who's that?

Does he play for the Tigers? Not familiar with him — sigh. Nevermind.
Personally, since this season is a wash, I got a big kick out of watching Rhymes play and I’m glad to see him back. Speedy, kinda Mighty Mouse, Pedroia-like fun to watch. He’s much more entertaining than wincing at some of the musclebound no-necks thumping around the base paths.

by greekdogs on Aug 18, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

He's a PUP!

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by ahtrap on Aug 18, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

Glass Jaw Joe was tougher to beat up than this guy.

by Robocop on Aug 18, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, at least this time it wasn't self inflicted

You can blame Gardner for this one, rather than the infield dirt. That’s improvement, right?

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by ahtrap on Aug 18, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I saw Carlos at the game

and yelled to him “how are you feeling?” He gave me a thumbs up. I wished I had known that he was on the DL at that point. I hope he didn’t think I was making fun of him.

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by JerseyTigerFan on Aug 19, 2010 1:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Guillen haters...I don't understand

As Al stated, Guillen has always been a good Tiger, on and off the field. His bat has been good just about his entire Detroit career, and while his glove has been misunderstood at times, 2B hasn’t looked like a terrible match. (His range isn’t great, but I feel like he’s made almost all routine plays and a few very good plays. I don’t mind him at 2B).

The guy gets hurt a lot…we all know this. It stinks when he’s out because we don’t get as much offense from his replacement, but I really don’t understand how getting rid of him helps the team. Here’s one look at the logic:

We get 350 productive AB’s from a player.
We can’t have 550?
Well then, we don’t want the 350 at all.
Release him!

My uncle gave me $30, but he wouldn’t give me $50, so I wouldn’t take the $30. Huh?

I also wish that he would stay healthy for a whole season, but I realize this won’t happen. Take what we can get and fill in the rest of the AB’s with Rhymes or Sizemore or Peralta. Whatever.

There are a couple of arguments that at least carry a little water:

A) Releasing Guillen would free up a spot on the 40-man roster. True, but do we really need more space on the 40-man? Look at the names of #25-40. Heck, look at the names of 24 and 25 and tell me that they’re more valuable to the organization than 350 AB’s from Guillen.

B) Giving him a spot at 2B (or anywhere) takes an opportunity away from a younger player’s development. Finally, something that makes sense. However, for whatever reason, the organization does not seem to see Scott Sizemore as a 2B anymore (I’m confused on this, but I’ll try to be confident that people that make baseball decisions for a living are smarter than I am in regard to these matters) and doesn’t have any other 2B that are near-ready enough to replace Guillen.

Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.

by momotigers on Aug 19, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

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