Johnny Damon prefers Detroit, and we prefer him
The Red Sox aren't out of luck yet, but if they were hoping to get Johnny Damon away from the Tigers, the train has all but left the station.
It's fair to ask the question: Do the Red Sox even care? Or is this just a not-so-elaborate plot to keep Damon from going to any of their chief competitors in the AL East (or elsewhere)? I lean that direction. Damon might realize that, too, as he expressed his surprise that Boston would even want to place a waiver claim on him.
Within the next 36 hours or so, he'll have to decide whether to waive his no-trade clause and join the Red Sox -- taking for granted Detroit and Boston have an acceptable deal in place -- or to stick it out in Detroit the rest of the year.
They might want him in Boston. They might not. But he knows without a doubt the feelings in Motown.
Looking a bit choked up, he told the media (as recorded off Fox Sports Detroit) after the game tonight:
"My heart tells me that I'm a Tiger, and the fans really showed me their love tonight. ... The fans want me here. The players want me here. That's kind of where I'm leaning toward right now."
Damon has been commendable for how he handled the entire process. We know baseball is a business. He does too. We know teams put a lot of players on waivers in August, to gauge interest if for nothing else. He understands that, he told the press.
He wants to return to Detroit in 2011 and to grow old with a team that is getting younger and younger by the day. However, if accepting a move for the final six weeks of the season helps the franchise in the long run, he's OK with that, too.
There's a lot of times where you have to take what players say with a grain of salt. It is a business, as we've said. There's a lot of posturing to be done. You're going to be a free agent? Before you drum up business elsewhere, see if you can't say the right things about the team you're with now and get a nice deal done.
There's just something about Damon, talking about the future for the Tigers -- this season is beyond -- and how he wants to be a part of it. He's not quite choked up but obviously wearing his emotions on his sleeve. Time and time again, his quotes go past the typical athlete-speak. He comes across as real. He has ever since the first time he put on the Olde English D, too.
A tough 36 hours for him to decide, indeed.
As it turns out, a tough 36 hours for the fans, too. We've really come to like him, for his positive attitude and goofy smile and the way he sticks up for his teammates. We've liked the way he's helped Austin Jackson and the other young players navigate their first season in the big leagues, and the way he's gotten on base to help Miguel Cabrera knock in a few more RBI.
And really, let's admit, we like the way he praises Detroit and wants to be here. If you don't want to be here, we really don't want you to be here. And if you do want to be here, we'll love you for life. That's the way it works in Detroit.
Damon is exactly the kind of athlete you want in your team's uniform. A bright spot even in the dark spots of a season. If Red Sox fans are so bitter they don't realize that, well, I guess that's their problem. He seems to have been pretty popular in his other stops.
If there was a team out there he really wanted to join and the trade would benefit the Tigers, I'd be all for it. That isn't the case here. I'd hate to see him go. Whether the Red Sox organization truly wants him or not, I'd hate to see him rejoin it.
Damon seems a bit torn up about what to do right now. So I'll just offer this simple advice:
Stay in Detroit, Johnny. Where you're wanted.
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As shown with the Red Wings
Mike Ilitch is a big fan of loyalty. I wouldn’t be surprised if this speech gets Johnny a contract from the Tigers in 2011
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So I’m not quite familiar with what’s going on. Did the Tigers say they would trade Damon? or were they planning on releasing him in the first place? Or it is that they were designating him for assignment and he was claimed?
Sorry I’m just really confused about this entire thing. I would love him to stay in Detroit.
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by Taiwanese Tora on Aug 24, 2010 12:08 AM EDT reply actions
It's Waiver season.
It’s sort of a weird process, but a lot of teams put a lot of their players “on waivers” (even the big names) during August, which means that another team can make a claim for that player and try to orchestrate a trade of some sort. In this month, if a team puts a player out on waivers and they don’t like the trade offered to them, they can revoke the waiver and the player stays. After August 31, if a player is traded, they’re not eligible to be on the postseason roster (this happened with Matt Stairs in 2006; the Tigers got him in September and he couldn’t play in October).
Wikipedia has a bit of a summary here; I think the point of the whole process is to see what the trade market for a player is like. I remember reading a great overview of this whole process somewhere on ESPN’s website… not sure if this was it (only a couple of paragraphs are readable for free, but it’s instructive nonetheless) or this (same deal), but yeah, it seems a little arcane to me too.
by frisbeepilot on Aug 24, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
Ok Thank you. It seems rather rude for the Tigers to do that to a class act like Damon. Maybe if they got a trade offer beforehand I’d understand….
by Taiwanese Tora on Aug 24, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently it's standard procedure.
All the teams know that waivers can be revoked at any time. I don’t think it’s personal in any way.
by frisbeepilot on Aug 24, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Every year numerous players are placed on waivers.
Usually much isn’t said about it.
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Scott Sizemore liberationist.
Is it
Always made so much Public like this? This seems something that needs to be kept in Silence until it is or is not done.
by Taiwanese Tora on Aug 24, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason this case is being scrutinized is because of Damon's past with Boston.
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Tact
Damon has it. I say we keep him. Reward his loyalty, and good things might happen.
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Daniel Fields is better than you.
He also has class
That may be a more appropriate word.
Sorry, I’ve been running all day on 3 hours of sleep.
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by David Tokarz on Aug 24, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Comerica Park turned John Boy into a slap hitter
Going from 24 home runs down to 7 is not good. He did the same when he played in Oakland and their big ballpark. Tigers need to sign a real power hitter to protect Cabrera and to find what rookies can play.
Tigers need a 2 hitter, 3 hitter, and 5 hitter. Damon is a 2, Magglio was a 3, we have no 5.
Five players are needed for the lineup, if you count Boesch and Guillen taking LF and 2B in 2011.
First, try to upgrade every position. Add some speed or pop to the 2 slot.
If you survived 2003, you can get through this!
Yeah, because adapting your style of play to your home ballpark is a bad thing to do.
Damon is not a 3-5 spot hitter. He’s a leadoff/2 slot hitter.
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Because home runs are and obviously should be the leading offensive indicator of a players effectiveness...
And slap hitters tend to hit more line drives, which does not fit what Damon has done this year, particularly when stacked up against his career norms. He’s almost in line with his career norms in regards to GB%, FB%, and LD% (all are within a few degrees of career norms). This isn’t a change in hitting approach so much as a ballplayer getting older and losing some of the power he once had. He’s still getting on base and creating runs, albeit slightly less effectively than he did in his prime. So he’s the perfect top of the order hitter, and that’s what we signed him to be. Judge a player based on overall run creation rather than home runs.
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He's also no longer playing in the Wind Tunnel.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Aug 24, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I guess I should've been more specific here
You would expect to see a player hit fewer home runs in Comerica than Yankees Stadium, but I think my inclination to say that he is losing strength is because his ISO is down fairly significantly this year. I feel like that would be a fairly accepted belief among those that have looked at his numbers. Nonetheless, this all still points to my original point that you can’t judge a player’s effectiveness based on how many HR they hit.
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Johnny is the real deal
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by JerseyTigerFan on Aug 24, 2010 12:58 AM EDT reply actions
He's also the younger deal!
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by Terrence J. Lynch on Aug 24, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
The better deal is also the most expensive deal too
I dont see why they couldnt sign Crawford, Maggs and Damon
Anything less than what Maggs was guarenteed if he vested is a bonus
CC is WELL WORTH IT
And if Johnny loves the D so much then take a cut in pay. $8MM was a healthy amount of cash. How bout’ a one year $4-5 MM deal
I like your optimism but...
Where do you put them all? Crawford obviously left field, Jackson still in CF, but what about RF? Boesch? Maggs? Assuming Maggs resigns, how will he fare in the outfield at his age? I figured it would be Boesch in right and Maggs at DH next year. Or am I completely wrong in assuming that Boesch would be a regular starter? I know, too many questions.
Boesch could be a regular starter
Or he could be a bench player, or he could be in the minors. I think it’s really hard to tell what Boesch is going to be doing next year.
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I think we'd be crazy
to rely on Boesch being the player he has been the first half of 2010 or even all of 2010 for that matter.
I wasn't really talking about his playing ability
It seems like I have spent a lot of time either thanking you for explanation or explaining one of my comments to you today, doesn’t it? In fact, I just replied to one of your comments in the game thread afterflow. I know, I know. I lost consciousness for a few hours.
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by JerseyTigerFan on Aug 24, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
It's all good, Joisey man. If I knew less about baseball business, I might actually have accomplished a few more things.
Might as well share the stuff trapped in the gray matter and make some use of it!
If you survived 2003, you can get through this!
Says the guy who spent the last year
complaining about big contracts going belly up. Why would Crawford be immune to that, exactly?
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by David Tokarz on Aug 24, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
depends which contracts you're comparing him to.
DD has yet to have a multi year contract go bad on him with the Tigers.
What’s gone bad are the extensions given to players that were unproven, washed up, or coming off injuries or declining performances. Big difference.
If you survived 2003, you can get through this!
check that
DD has yet to have a multi year contract given to a FREE AGENT go bad on him
one exception that I can think of- Troy Percival got two years. Even then, the second season was covered by insurance.
If you survived 2003, you can get through this!
So how many free agent long term contracts has DD given out in Detroit??
Because I’m honestly having a hard time thinking of many.
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Maggs and Pudge?
DD doesn’t like big free agent signings.
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by David Tokarz on Aug 24, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
So it's hard to argue or agree with the statement that he hasn't screwed up on FA contracts
There is really no precedent, and that was my initial reaction.
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DD's free agent contracts
Magglio, Pudge, Rogers, Jones, Urbina, Percival, Valverde, Damon, Everett, Lyon
My point was that, to the limited extent that DD has gone shopping for free agents, he has done very well, while the extensions (many to the same players) have blown up on him.
If you survived 2003, you can get through this!
and I get the feeling that he was pushed into those two by Illitch.
In all fairness, signing free agents to long term contracts is about the least cost effective way of building a team, but methinks he has taken the avoidance to a whole new extreme, and taken the number of in house extensions to an extreme as well.
A more balanced approach this winter, please!
If you survived 2003, you can get through this!
Damon shouldn't even be playing
Bring him back in 2011 if you like, but the rest of the 2010 is about developing young players. If the Tigers can add an asset in the process they should.
I like Damon too, but this is the same logic that had people crying about the Granderson trade (i.e. He’s a good guy and popular with the fans, so keep him.)
I'm all for the logical approach
But sometimes the fan has to be taken into consideration.
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by David Tokarz on Aug 24, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
The fan wants a winner
What Damon brings to the Tigers is a .360 OBP, and a veteran presence
There aren’t other choices on the current roster to step in and put up that OBP in the 2 slot
I would not forego an upgrade for the sake of Damon’s nice comments in the papers
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i agree dave, the fan DOES have to be considered
this is a busine$$. not just an internet fantasy game.
fans = income dollars in ticket sales and jersey royalties, etc., just as much as pizza sales do.
yes, if you are in management, you have to take that into consideration, which is something the statistic jockeys often times overlook.
The Pirates have now shown that you don't need fan support to make lots of money
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their situation makes me think of "the producers"
put the worst possible team on the field and reap the profits!
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Springtime in Pittsburgh could be the ultra super flop that let's them retire to the tropics.
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hogwash
No one is buying tickets to see Damon. Seriously…
So all those people I see wearing Damon t-shirts around the ballpark are there for what?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Aug 24, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Whooo!
“And really, let’s admit, we like the way he praises Detroit and wants to be here. If you don’t want to be here, we really don’t want you to be here. And if you do want to be here, we’ll love you for life. That’s the way it works in Detroit.”
Ha ha, pretty accurate. We are pretty loyal, vocal baseball fandom here. Not saying other towns are not, but it’s true. Detroit, Michigan is not as bad as some people like to think. Go Tigers!
I'd like to have him back
Just because he’s the default #2 hitter, and I think Boesch will start next season in Toledo.
It’s nice to know he feels appreciated here. I wish other non-hockey athletes would figure that out before coming here.
I agree about Boesch
He will continue to plummet unless he heads down I-75 for a bit to work on things.
Loved everything about that piece, Kurt.
Got me choked up a little.
In a long distance relationship with the Tigers--and, yes, we're doing fine.
I remember all the drama surrounding the trade in the off-season
It was like Waiting for Godot. “Will he play here? His wife wants to go to Chicago!” After all that I was not inclined to look favorably on Mr. Damon. I didn’t know what to expect — I thought he would harbor a half-hearted attitude and be counting the days till he could get out of Detroit.
I was wrong. Damon has been a very pleasant surprise. He’s done exactly what you want from a veteran — a good presence in the clubhouse, a pretty solid outfielder and while his bat hasn’t been on fire, he’s still done a pretty good job of setting the table. I have no issues with Johnny and I would love to see him stay in Detroit. It’s good to hear a player talk about Detroit the way he does. I hope he stays.
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Very nicely done...
Kurt, these are the type of articles that make me proud to be a part of BYB and to be a life-long Tigers fan.
The last Tigers game I attended this summer in Chicago, Damon was one of only two players that signed autographs after the game. Additionally, during the game, some ladies were asking him if he would flex for a picture while he was standing in the on-deck circle, and he did this for them. He really is a class-act, both when the cameras are on and when the cameras are not. This is the type of player we need here in Detroit, and we will have the money this year to make it happen.
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by Christopher Horvath on Aug 24, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions
Love Johnny Damon...
He was the only Yankee/Red Sox player that I could stomach, which says a lot about his personality. He’s a guy you want on a team that is getting younger and guy you want representing the Tigers. To hell with his age, keep him through the season and than give him a multi year deal.
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thanks for this
I’ve come to love johnny, as weird as it was to have him around at first. hoping he knows you gotta dance with the one who brung ya..
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Get to know Johnny -
The more you get to know Johnny, them more you’ll see that he will say whatever the listener wants to hear. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. That’s why we’ve all loved him at some point or another.
As a longtime Red Sox fan now living in Detroit, it has been humorous to listen to Johnny reinvent the facts of recent contract negotiations (If you remember the details of Damon leaving Boston, read the recent Ambassador article for a chuckle).
Saying he wants to stay in Detroit: 1) sets him up here if a deal falls through, 2) likely gets him more cash to “approve” the deal, and 3) could secure more lenient media in Boston (should he return), after taking them to task.
Also makes me wonder about how bad his back was when he sat at Fenway. Could he have been anticipating/aware of this coming up? Once he received a standing-O from the Fenway Faithful, it would be tough for him to make this same pitch.
Inge was on waivers last week and pulled back
and will most likely be placed again. Laird and Santiago will probably see the waiver wire in the near future as well.
you're a bit off there
If Inge was claimed and pulled back, 1) I think we’d have heard from media sources, 2) placing him back on waivers again would make no sense because then any team could claim him and the Tigers would have no chance to trade him or pull him back.
by Kurt Mensching on Aug 24, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Does that even happen? Has any team ever actually put a player on waivers, revoked it, and then put them back out there?
It CAN happen, but the player can not be pulled back the second time
If you survived 2003, you can get through this!
Did anyone hear anything about Damon being on waivers
until they announced that the Sox claimed him? I read there were rumors he and Inge were on waivers in the paper this past weekend, but nothing substantial. If you put someone on waivers and then decide to pull them off, that won’t likely cause any splashes in the media will it?
there were widespread reports of inge and damon on thursday
by Kurt Mensching on Aug 24, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Inge was being looked at
by St. Louis and another NL team. From what was said during the radio broadcast, Inge was initially placed on waivers (as was Damon), or was going to be placed on waivers this week.
Jim Price/Dan Dickerson with the broadcast.
(do they still publish newspapers? I thought the web killed the paper industry)
by Detroitfantc on Aug 24, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Great piece Kurt
Exactly how I’ve felt.
Despite all the young outfielders coming up, I would love to see Damon back in the Olde English D next year.
A lifelong Tigers fan
Manny will be placed on waivers pdq
and don’t be shocked if south side Kenny doesn’t make a play for him.
If you survived 2003, you can get through this!
you're gonna use grammar against us on this one
you can’t be wrong cause we got no clue what you mean!
by Kurt Mensching on Aug 24, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions

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