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Armando Galarraga signed, designated for assignment hours later

Just hours after being signed to an arbitration-avoiding $2.3 million contract, the Tigers announced he would be designated for assignment to make room for righthander Brad Penny on the 40-man roster.

This is obviously fluid and we'll definitely have more information later.


Update:

The short version is, the Tigers feel like Armando Galarraga is a starter, not a reliever. They will attempt to trade him to a team he can start for. If that doesn't happen, he cannot decline a minor league assignment due to his contract situation. (He could also be released before the season begins at a substantial cost savings).

If he does remain with the organization -- long shot there -- there's a chance he could compete for the rotation. But again, long shot. Why's that? They think Brad Penny was a significant upgrade and feel like their rotation is set: Verlander, Scherzer, Porcello, Coke, Penny.

As far as signing him to a contract earlier today goes, that's because they wanted to avoid arbitration. Today was the day teams and players must submit their salary figures. So if a deal could be done, great. But it's not related to making him more tradeable or anything like that.

There will be a more complete story later, but that's a quick summation of what president/general manager Dave Dombrowski said on his conference call this afternoon.

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Zero chance

that he makes it through waivers. Don’t really get this.

by TigerTom on Jan 18, 2011 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

this was my first thought as well

If I was the Pirates, Nationals, or Astros I would jump all over this. He is still a good #5 option for alot of teams.

by IowaLion on Jan 18, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Pirates, Nationals, Astros...
  1. option…and I struggle to think of two better on the Nats or Pirates.

Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.

by momotigers on Jan 18, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

That was suppose to say #3 option.

Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.

by momotigers on Jan 18, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It may never get to waivers

Being designated for assignment puts him in a sort of limbo. The club has ten days to trade him, or THEN they put him on waivers, but first they try to get something back. If there are no takers for him, then he goes on waivers. If claimed, his new club gets him for 2.3MM. If he clears, he can be released or he can be outrighted to the minor leagues. If he’s released, they owe him 30 days pay. If he’s outrighted, they have a minor league pitcher making 2.3MM, which would seem even worse than a long reliever making that much.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Jan 18, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

We are not in the front office

I guess DD and the boys feel differently.

Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.

by momotigers on Jan 18, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

They do need him for depth

but they’re not willing to pay 2.3MM for depth

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by Tigerdog1 on Jan 18, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it

that they’re just trying to find out who possible trade partners are? They’ll pull him off waivers if someone claims him?

by TigerTom on Jan 18, 2011 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

he's not on waivers

but if he is put on waivers and he’s claimed, he can not be pulled back

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Jan 18, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Kind of odd timing

But yeah, I agree with you Kurt

by tigers22 on Jan 18, 2011 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

Well, I knew that the new contract was not guaranteed . . .

. . . but I thought they’d wait until spring to cut him . . .

by rea on Jan 18, 2011 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

My gut tells me this is all pre-planned

and with Galarraga’s OK.

We just don’t know what it is yet.

by Kurt Mensching on Jan 18, 2011 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

maybe

DD (and Mr. I) are just setting AG’s pay scale for 2011 in appreciation for service (and class). Sounds silly as I type it, though.

by TigerTom on Jan 18, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

This could be a round about way to see who's interested.

Though I’d rather keep Armando as an insurance policy.

Sometimes I can put words together but other times they fall apart... like Greg Oden.

by 13194013 on Jan 18, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, okay, that isn't how it works.

I’m just really confused by this entire scenario.

Sometimes I can put words together but other times they fall apart... like Greg Oden.

by 13194013 on Jan 18, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade?

I can see a big move in the works in the next couple of days (involving guys on the 40 man) followed by Galarraga’s restoration to the roster.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

It just doesn't work that way

You can’t simply say “sorry about that whole DFA thing, you’re still with us”. He’d have to clear waivers and be outrighted to AAA before he could be re-added to the roster. He won’t clear waivers, so this is a moot point.

by BigJP on Jan 18, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Paul Wezner at TigsTown

Claiming this is just the quickest way for the Tigers to get rid of him (I think).

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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

gotta say

that’s a pretty ugly thing to do to a pretty class guy (at least at first glance)

by TigerTom on Jan 18, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

which is why I don't really buy it

they are an organization that prides themselves on class, I can’t see them suddenly hardballing him like this.

by Kurt Mensching on Jan 18, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

that was my first thought

when I did the ‘maybe’ comment earlier. hope you/re right, Kurt.

by TigerTom on Jan 18, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

With Galarraga off the roster, the Tigers again seriously lack depth in the rotation

and with this move, they have wiped out at least half of the benefit of signing Brad Penny. DD needs to get about the business of adding depth for the rotation, and he needs to sign a starting pitcher that did better than 4.46 ERA/ 1.35 WHIP last season, or one that there is reason to believe will be better than Armando.

The fact that Galarraga is Designated, almost certainly means that they don’t have a trade partner for him. If they did, they could just trade him.

The obligation to pay the contract arose at the time they tendered him a contract earlier in the off season. At that point, they were committed to 30 days pay, yet the amount had not been determined yet. When they settled, that determined the amount.

If a team picks him up on waivers, they’ll be on the hook for $ 2.3 million. Obviously, the Tigers don’t feel that he’s worth that much. Maybe another club does, If so, the Tigers can work a trade with him without putting him on waivers. They have ten days. But other clubs can take the chance that he clears waivers and they can sign him for his free market price. If he clears waivers, that price is less than 2.3 mil, necessarily.

As of now, the Tigers lack depth in the rotation, and depending on Penny to be healthy and Coke to be effective is a lofty expectation.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Jan 18, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

Joe Galea raised this point on Twitter

Maybe the high price is a deterrant to other teams from claiming him so he’ll get to Toledo on Waivers.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Nooooo

I thought I was done reading Tiger Dog’s lack of rotation speel! LOL!

by Benzy Ferrari on Jan 18, 2011 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

Ha! pretty funny,

but would be funnier if it wasn’t so spot on.

by TigerTom on Jan 18, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

So what's the consensus?

Armando is done with the Tigers? Is that a forgone conclusion?

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by The Eric on Jan 18, 2011 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

we are all completely confused by this

at least I am. I think that’s the general consensus

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by Detroitchik on Jan 18, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That's for sure

It’s like trying to solve a mystery novel

by TigerTom on Jan 18, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

But like Detroitchik said, most of us are lost.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

For those following this

May I suggest keeping Twitter, MLBTR and BYB open? I find it maximizes your ability to spot breaking news.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

If it's a trade and Armando is involved

it better be for more pitching… lots of it, with depth

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by Detroitchik on Jan 18, 2011 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

They just DFA'd him

We still control his contract for 10 days barring some team claiming him- so if there is a trade, the paperwork is probably heading to the Commissioner’s office quickly.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

the only question in that is

why not just add penny officially at that point instead of now?

by Kurt Mensching on Jan 18, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Good question

I haven’t a clue.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

just my guess here

but if they hadn’t signed him before the arbitration deadline today, they would have had to wait until the arb hearing to make any move with him. Stuck til mid-Feb. That’s the way I’m seeing it, anyhow

by BigJP on Jan 18, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you may be right

it also makes a ton of sense

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by Detroitchik on Jan 18, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I recall a club getting in trouble for holding a contract from the league office too long

Maybe a Charlie O Finley thing or something, but I think they can’t sandbag the contract until they make a corresponding roster move. Totally unsure about that, but it seems to register somewhere in my gray matter.

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Jan 18, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

just to

identify postential trade partners. Faster than phoning all the GM’s, and now they all know what the ‘price’ is.

by TigerTom on Jan 18, 2011 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

WOW

 I can’t believe they’re doing this. They’re either going to make a trade with someone willing to make a claim, or just let him go, but I think he’s done as a Tiger.

by KeystoneTiger on Jan 18, 2011 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

but this indicates something different

Mario tweeted :

Tough day for Galarraga. Didn’t think he’d be the one to make room for Penny. Tigers have 10 days to trade, release or assign to minors.

he could be involved in a trade we have no idea about

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by Detroitchik on Jan 18, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

~Scratching head~

DD and Mr. I are not dumb or classless. This is one giant “Huh?”

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by NCDee on Jan 18, 2011 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

The obligation to pay the contract arose at the time they tendered him
The obligation to pay the contract arose at the time they tendered him a contract earlier in the off season. At that point, they were committed to 30 days pay, yet the amount had not been determined yet. When they settled, that determined the amount.



I think this is the real deal. I think once they tendered him a contract, they could not change their mind. They had to finalize a contract forst before they could do anything else.

by Gwangi on Jan 18, 2011 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

So the contract they just signed

was to get them a figure that they could then take 30 days prorated to really pay him?

Sometimes I’m glad I work in an office.

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by NCDee on Jan 18, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

were you just quoting me? lol

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by Tigerdog1 on Jan 18, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

i’ll be trying to tweet more info as I get it from the conference call now

by Kurt Mensching on Jan 18, 2011 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

I think we're looking at this as Tiger fans

If that seems like a statement from Capt. Obvious, what I mean is Armando probably doesn’t care that much who’s paying him his $2.3M or if the Tigers are paying 1/6, 1/3, or all of it. I’m sure he’d prefer to be in the Tigers’ rotation and make that, but at this point staying in the organization is probably the worst thing for Armando. It would mean he cleared waivers and won’t be in the rotation anywhere.

If he gets claimed, it is by a team who’s willing to pick up that contract and if they’re doing that, it’s probably to start for that team.

by mattintoledo on Jan 18, 2011 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

Looks like we did overanalyze

What I’m getting on Twitter (including from @blessyouboys, which you should all be following) indicates that the organization wasn’t going to use Armando and wanted him to get a job elsewhere.

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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

more pitching, I hope

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by Detroitchik on Jan 18, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably AAA depth

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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe a LOOGY

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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOO

major league depth

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by Detroitchik on Jan 18, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Won't happen

I love Armando, but I know all he’s worth is sentimental value. A great deal of sentimental value, but that’s it. And all the major league depth in the world wouldn’t make me feel better right now.

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by SabreRoseTiger on Jan 18, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

him and one or two other guys

could bring the depth to this team.

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by Detroitchik on Jan 18, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Or depth for the GCL

If you survived 2003, you can get through this!

by Tigerdog1 on Jan 18, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

i forgot about Josh

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by Detroitchik on Jan 18, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

that’s not hard to do…

by Ohio Tiger on Jan 18, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll say this,

Penny better be damn good, or there better be a fall-back trade coming up. If Penny falls on his (insert anatomical part here), and there isn’t a good Plan B 5th starter, there will be a BUNCH of PO’d tiger fans out here.

by TigerTom on Jan 18, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Wonder if we'll do better than Texas

When we got Armando in this situation, it was for Michael Hernandez.

by mattintoledo on Jan 18, 2011 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

Refresh this post if you haven't

I did a quick summation.

I’ll have a new post a bit later.

by Kurt Mensching on Jan 18, 2011 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

Sigh

I’m still kind of scared about how concrete the plan to have Coke start all year is. Seems like an awful risk when you have virtually no depth at the AAA level and rushing Turner or Oliver seems pretty stupid. I hope if we trade him that pitching prospects are involved but I don’t see how a pitcher with Galarraga’s inconsistent track record brings anything that great in a trade.

by Sutelc on Jan 18, 2011 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

Is this

kind of a black eye for the organization, though? Seems like we’re kind of cutting AG off at the knees. I know, DD has to look out for what’s best for the Tigers, not necessarily AG, but man, it seems cold.

by TigerTom on Jan 18, 2011 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe...

I’m missing something here, but it seems to me, this way AG gets paid and is allowing him to get a starting job elsewhere, which is mostly likely what he wants since it appears obvious that we have no plans to use him as a starter.

by JWurm on Jan 18, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you all forgetting?

Bottom line— after his one great season, he has been flat out mediocre. He is not a very good pitcher. The Tigers can get anyone else, even a minor leaguer, and they will have just as much “depth”

Sorry, folks — he may be a class act and a classy guy, but as a pitcher he is already a has been

by Melvin B on Jan 18, 2011 5:10 PM EST reply actions  

Well,

look at Penny’s age and record for the same span of years you’re talking about, and tell me which is the has-been?

by TigerTom on Jan 18, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Penny

I think Penny’s recent struggles have primarily been injury related. He had a bit more success earlier in his career than Galarraga so if I had to chose between the two I’d pick Penny every time. But that doesn’t change the depth situation. I’d much rather keep Galarraga has a back up option if Coke can’t handle starting or if it turns out Penny is just a lousy AL pitcher.

by Sutelc on Jan 18, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll bow

to you guy’s collective wisdom (and Oberon, below), but I still see the headline coming up in SI and ESPN as ‘Perfect Game Pitcher Released by Tigers’.

by TigerTom on Jan 18, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Ouch

Luckily those who know anything will understand. Those who only heard about him because of that won’t care beyond an hour from now.

by Oberon on Jan 18, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont find this as a "black eye"

If anything, the organization is being classy by trying to find him a real job as opposed to sticking him in the pen or having him waste away in AAA. I agree we need the depth, but this is probably a good move for AG’s sake.

by Oberon on Jan 18, 2011 5:23 PM EST reply actions  

What were the other potential options on the 40 man roster?

Were there other players that made “sense” for being dropped off the 40 man in favor of Penny? Seems like, unless there’s a plan to bring one of the kids along rapidly, they are, as has been well speculated above, giving up on potential 5th starter depth.

Then again, except for the rare flash, over the last couple of years, Armando hasn’t provided consistant starts himself, so from that perspective, plugging anybody in there (in case of injury to, or ineffectiveness by any of the named rotation, namely Penny and Coke) might not necessarily be excessively detrimental. Then again, one game could be all the difference, as we well know…

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by ahtrap on Jan 18, 2011 5:39 PM EST reply actions  

This is all about money

The Tigers have five starting pitchers, two with serious questions and two seemingly reliable ACEs. They did not want to pay Galarraga 2.3 million to be a long reliever, and it looks like Leyland was just fed up with the nibbling. His ERA was equal to the rotation ERA on the team- 4.46. He had a 1.35 WHIP. But once they tendered him a contract, they were on the hook for the arbitration process and 30 days pay. They settled that amount, and now it’s a matter of whether they can get another club to pick up the contract.

Meanwhile, the Tigers have no backup in case Coke doesn’t transition to the rotation, having last started in AA ball in 2008, or in case Penny hits the DL as he has a habit of doing. I don’t even want to think about Oxspring or Brad Thomas, or Alburquerque in the rotation. Andy Oliver is the real hope for any depth.

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by Tigerdog1 on Jan 18, 2011 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

So I guess our rotation is sorta set, huh?

IF we do get anything for Galarraga, it probably will be AAA talent….

sigh…I liked him

Go for it

by DetroitSports on Jan 18, 2011 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

I liked him too, but . . .

. . . as a person rather than a ballplayer. I don’t mind it if futher admiring of his character takes place from afar.

by rea on Jan 18, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

For me, it's like Grandy leaving last year

Except Grandy was a little better. No offense, Galarraga

Go for it

by DetroitSports on Jan 18, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

For me, it's almost as bad as losing Pudge back in 2008

I still miss Pudge very much, but I got through that grieving process, and so I know I’ll get through this one. But knowing that doesn’t make it any easier.

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by SabreRoseTiger on Jan 18, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

odd move

thanks everyone for your input though
It has definately helped me digest this mystery

by JAYRC on Jan 18, 2011 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Whats going on?

I know that nobody but DD has any clue what is going on, but I really hope this isn’t the plan for the year. Why does the front office insist on writing Coke in the rotation as stone?

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by cabby4mvp on Jan 18, 2011 7:06 PM EST reply actions  

he's certainly got a lot of pressure on him to succeed

that coke kid does.

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by Detroitchik on Jan 18, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Brad Thomas?

can he be the long reliever or a mop-up man?

by Da Jonesy on Jan 18, 2011 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

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