Armando Galarraga signed, designated for assignment hours later
Just hours after being signed to an arbitration-avoiding $2.3 million contract, the Tigers announced he would be designated for assignment to make room for righthander Brad Penny on the 40-man roster.
This is obviously fluid and we'll definitely have more information later.
Update:
The short version is, the Tigers feel like Armando Galarraga is a starter, not a reliever. They will attempt to trade him to a team he can start for. If that doesn't happen, he cannot decline a minor league assignment due to his contract situation. (He could also be released before the season begins at a substantial cost savings).
If he does remain with the organization -- long shot there -- there's a chance he could compete for the rotation. But again, long shot. Why's that? They think Brad Penny was a significant upgrade and feel like their rotation is set: Verlander, Scherzer, Porcello, Coke, Penny.
As far as signing him to a contract earlier today goes, that's because they wanted to avoid arbitration. Today was the day teams and players must submit their salary figures. So if a deal could be done, great. But it's not related to making him more tradeable or anything like that.
There will be a more complete story later, but that's a quick summation of what president/general manager Dave Dombrowski said on his conference call this afternoon.
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this was my first thought as well
If I was the Pirates, Nationals, or Astros I would jump all over this. He is still a good #5 option for alot of teams.
Pirates, Nationals, Astros...
- option…and I struggle to think of two better on the Nats or Pirates.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
That was suppose to say #3 option.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
It may never get to waivers
Being designated for assignment puts him in a sort of limbo. The club has ten days to trade him, or THEN they put him on waivers, but first they try to get something back. If there are no takers for him, then he goes on waivers. If claimed, his new club gets him for 2.3MM. If he clears, he can be released or he can be outrighted to the minor leagues. If he’s released, they owe him 30 days pay. If he’s outrighted, they have a minor league pitcher making 2.3MM, which would seem even worse than a long reliever making that much.
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by Tigerdog1 on Jan 18, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know my participation here has been sporadic, so I may be mistaken, but I thought the general feeling around here was that they needed him at least for depth
What happened with that?
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We are not in the front office
I guess DD and the boys feel differently.
Granderson was my Tiger, then Sizemore, then Willis. Since they're all gone, I'm taking Raburn and hoping the pattern holds.
They do need him for depth
but they’re not willing to pay 2.3MM for depth
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Is it
that they’re just trying to find out who possible trade partners are? They’ll pull him off waivers if someone claims him?
he's not on waivers
but if he is put on waivers and he’s claimed, he can not be pulled back
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Well, I knew that the new contract was not guaranteed . . .
. . . but I thought they’d wait until spring to cut him . . .
This could be a round about way to see who's interested.
Though I’d rather keep Armando as an insurance policy.
Sometimes I can put words together but other times they fall apart... like Greg Oden.
Well, okay, that isn't how it works.
I’m just really confused by this entire scenario.
Sometimes I can put words together but other times they fall apart... like Greg Oden.
Trade?
I can see a big move in the works in the next couple of days (involving guys on the 40 man) followed by Galarraga’s restoration to the roster.
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It just doesn't work that way
You can’t simply say “sorry about that whole DFA thing, you’re still with us”. He’d have to clear waivers and be outrighted to AAA before he could be re-added to the roster. He won’t clear waivers, so this is a moot point.
by BigJP on Jan 18, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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Claiming this is just the quickest way for the Tigers to get rid of him (I think).
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which is why I don't really buy it
they are an organization that prides themselves on class, I can’t see them suddenly hardballing him like this.
by Kurt Mensching on Jan 18, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
With Galarraga off the roster, the Tigers again seriously lack depth in the rotation
and with this move, they have wiped out at least half of the benefit of signing Brad Penny. DD needs to get about the business of adding depth for the rotation, and he needs to sign a starting pitcher that did better than 4.46 ERA/ 1.35 WHIP last season, or one that there is reason to believe will be better than Armando.
The fact that Galarraga is Designated, almost certainly means that they don’t have a trade partner for him. If they did, they could just trade him.
The obligation to pay the contract arose at the time they tendered him a contract earlier in the off season. At that point, they were committed to 30 days pay, yet the amount had not been determined yet. When they settled, that determined the amount.
If a team picks him up on waivers, they’ll be on the hook for $ 2.3 million. Obviously, the Tigers don’t feel that he’s worth that much. Maybe another club does, If so, the Tigers can work a trade with him without putting him on waivers. They have ten days. But other clubs can take the chance that he clears waivers and they can sign him for his free market price. If he clears waivers, that price is less than 2.3 mil, necessarily.
As of now, the Tigers lack depth in the rotation, and depending on Penny to be healthy and Coke to be effective is a lofty expectation.
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Joe Galea raised this point on Twitter
Maybe the high price is a deterrant to other teams from claiming him so he’ll get to Toledo on Waivers.
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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
So you also think that there's no way he makes it to Toledo?
That’s how I feel, too.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jan 18, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
So what's the consensus?
Armando is done with the Tigers? Is that a forgone conclusion?
Warning, content may include sarcasm.
we are all completely confused by this
at least I am. I think that’s the general consensus
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Maybe
But like Detroitchik said, most of us are lost.
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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
For those following this
May I suggest keeping Twitter, MLBTR and BYB open? I find it maximizes your ability to spot breaking news.
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If it's a trade and Armando is involved
it better be for more pitching… lots of it, with depth
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But if it's a trade, why would they put him on waivers?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jan 18, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
They just DFA'd him
We still control his contract for 10 days barring some team claiming him- so if there is a trade, the paperwork is probably heading to the Commissioner’s office quickly.
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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
the only question in that is
why not just add penny officially at that point instead of now?
by Kurt Mensching on Jan 18, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Good question
I haven’t a clue.
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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
just my guess here
but if they hadn’t signed him before the arbitration deadline today, they would have had to wait until the arb hearing to make any move with him. Stuck til mid-Feb. That’s the way I’m seeing it, anyhow
I think you may be right
it also makes a ton of sense
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I recall a club getting in trouble for holding a contract from the league office too long
Maybe a Charlie O Finley thing or something, but I think they can’t sandbag the contract until they make a corresponding roster move. Totally unsure about that, but it seems to register somewhere in my gray matter.
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just to
identify postential trade partners. Faster than phoning all the GM’s, and now they all know what the ‘price’ is.
WOW
I can’t believe they’re doing this. They’re either going to make a trade with someone willing to make a claim, or just let him go, but I think he’s done as a Tiger.
Beck on Twitter
Looks like Galarraga’s gone for good.
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I saw that tweet, but I don't see how that clarifies anything
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jan 18, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
To me it indicates that Beck thinks he's gone.
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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Right now I think Beck's just as clueless as the rest of us
DD, you can’t leave us hanging.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jan 18, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
but this indicates something different
Mario tweeted :
Tough day for Galarraga. Didn’t think he’d be the one to make room for Penny. Tigers have 10 days to trade, release or assign to minors.
he could be involved in a trade we have no idea about
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~Scratching head~
DD and Mr. I are not dumb or classless. This is one giant “Huh?”
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The obligation to pay the contract arose at the time they tendered him
The obligation to pay the contract arose at the time they tendered him a contract earlier in the off season. At that point, they were committed to 30 days pay, yet the amount had not been determined yet. When they settled, that determined the amount.
I think this is the real deal. I think once they tendered him a contract, they could not change their mind. They had to finalize a contract forst before they could do anything else.
So the contract they just signed
was to get them a figure that they could then take 30 days prorated to really pay him?
Sometimes I’m glad I work in an office.
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I think we're looking at this as Tiger fans
If that seems like a statement from Capt. Obvious, what I mean is Armando probably doesn’t care that much who’s paying him his $2.3M or if the Tigers are paying 1/6, 1/3, or all of it. I’m sure he’d prefer to be in the Tigers’ rotation and make that, but at this point staying in the organization is probably the worst thing for Armando. It would mean he cleared waivers and won’t be in the rotation anywhere.
If he gets claimed, it is by a team who’s willing to pick up that contract and if they’re doing that, it’s probably to start for that team.
Looks like we did overanalyze
What I’m getting on Twitter (including from @blessyouboys, which you should all be following) indicates that the organization wasn’t going to use Armando and wanted him to get a job elsewhere.
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Also suggestions that we'll get something in return
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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Probably AAA depth
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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe a LOOGY
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by David Tokarz on Jan 18, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOO
major league depth
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Won't happen
I love Armando, but I know all he’s worth is sentimental value. A great deal of sentimental value, but that’s it. And all the major league depth in the world wouldn’t make me feel better right now.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jan 18, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
him and one or two other guys
could bring the depth to this team.
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hahaha
i forgot about Josh
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I'll say this,
Penny better be damn good, or there better be a fall-back trade coming up. If Penny falls on his (insert anatomical part here), and there isn’t a good Plan B 5th starter, there will be a BUNCH of PO’d tiger fans out here.
Wonder if we'll do better than Texas
When we got Armando in this situation, it was for Michael Hernandez.
Sigh
I’m still kind of scared about how concrete the plan to have Coke start all year is. Seems like an awful risk when you have virtually no depth at the AAA level and rushing Turner or Oliver seems pretty stupid. I hope if we trade him that pitching prospects are involved but I don’t see how a pitcher with Galarraga’s inconsistent track record brings anything that great in a trade.
Is this
kind of a black eye for the organization, though? Seems like we’re kind of cutting AG off at the knees. I know, DD has to look out for what’s best for the Tigers, not necessarily AG, but man, it seems cold.
Are you all forgetting?
Bottom line— after his one great season, he has been flat out mediocre. He is not a very good pitcher. The Tigers can get anyone else, even a minor leaguer, and they will have just as much “depth”
Sorry, folks — he may be a class act and a classy guy, but as a pitcher he is already a has been
Well,
look at Penny’s age and record for the same span of years you’re talking about, and tell me which is the has-been?
I'd take Penny
I think Penny’s recent struggles have primarily been injury related. He had a bit more success earlier in his career than Galarraga so if I had to chose between the two I’d pick Penny every time. But that doesn’t change the depth situation. I’d much rather keep Galarraga has a back up option if Coke can’t handle starting or if it turns out Penny is just a lousy AL pitcher.
I'll bow
to you guy’s collective wisdom (and Oberon, below), but I still see the headline coming up in SI and ESPN as ‘Perfect Game Pitcher Released by Tigers’.
I dont find this as a "black eye"
If anything, the organization is being classy by trying to find him a real job as opposed to sticking him in the pen or having him waste away in AAA. I agree we need the depth, but this is probably a good move for AG’s sake.
What were the other potential options on the 40 man roster?
Were there other players that made “sense” for being dropped off the 40 man in favor of Penny? Seems like, unless there’s a plan to bring one of the kids along rapidly, they are, as has been well speculated above, giving up on potential 5th starter depth.
Then again, except for the rare flash, over the last couple of years, Armando hasn’t provided consistant starts himself, so from that perspective, plugging anybody in there (in case of injury to, or ineffectiveness by any of the named rotation, namely Penny and Coke) might not necessarily be excessively detrimental. Then again, one game could be all the difference, as we well know…
I'm expecting 100% improvement from the Lions this season.
Clete?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jan 18, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Audy Ciriaco, Cale Iorg, Gustavo Nunez, Jose Ortega, etc
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This is all about money
The Tigers have five starting pitchers, two with serious questions and two seemingly reliable ACEs. They did not want to pay Galarraga 2.3 million to be a long reliever, and it looks like Leyland was just fed up with the nibbling. His ERA was equal to the rotation ERA on the team- 4.46. He had a 1.35 WHIP. But once they tendered him a contract, they were on the hook for the arbitration process and 30 days pay. They settled that amount, and now it’s a matter of whether they can get another club to pick up the contract.
Meanwhile, the Tigers have no backup in case Coke doesn’t transition to the rotation, having last started in AA ball in 2008, or in case Penny hits the DL as he has a habit of doing. I don’t even want to think about Oxspring or Brad Thomas, or Alburquerque in the rotation. Andy Oliver is the real hope for any depth.
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So I guess our rotation is sorta set, huh?
IF we do get anything for Galarraga, it probably will be AAA talent….
sigh…I liked him
Go for it
I liked him too, but . . .
. . . as a person rather than a ballplayer. I don’t mind it if futher admiring of his character takes place from afar.
For me, it's like Grandy leaving last year
Except Grandy was a little better. No offense, Galarraga
Go for it
by DetroitSports on Jan 18, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
For me, it's almost as bad as losing Pudge back in 2008
I still miss Pudge very much, but I got through that grieving process, and so I know I’ll get through this one. But knowing that doesn’t make it any easier.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Jan 18, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Whats going on?
he's certainly got a lot of pressure on him to succeed
that coke kid does.
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Brad Thomas?
can he be the long reliever or a mop-up man?

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