NLCS Game 5, Brewers at Cardinals, 8:05pm
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If my boredom this evening is any indication
I’m not ready for the Tigers to be done playing baseball this year yet.
It was about 90 degrees today, and all they have here is hockey
no baseball, certainly no football. At least no professional football. Not that they’ll admit to.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Yeah, but their deNile is wider than deAmazon
The University of Spoiled Children can do no wrong.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Tame compared to SEC or Ohio State
But the NCAA is an awful organization.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
Well okay. It's baseball.
But it’s not TIGERS baseball. But I’m interested to see how Greinke does.
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
hooray for stress free baseball
I can actually work on a project and not have to use my fingers to shield my eyes. And I can breathe properly too!
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
I was happy to see it.
I was teaching a crochet class from 6-8 and at some point one of the ladies asked “I wonder how the Tigers are doing” and I checked and told her it was 7-2 on a home run by Raburn. Then the ladies and I chatted Tigers (and some Lions) until the end of class. :)
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
I got caught between completing a lab report for an engineering class
and the Tigers. I haven’t slept in 36 hours.
by lost_in_sauce on Oct 14, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
erg
I had a chemistry exam on Wednesday – plus I missed a couple days of work with a sinus infection (which seems to be improving on its own, thankfully). Even as early as it is, I think if I closed my eyes I would be asleep pretty fast.
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oops
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heh
I think I got a B-ish on mine. Which is fine – I got an A on the first, he drops the lowest exam score, and I’m going to get a lot of points in the labs. I’ll be okay.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
Usually our tests and classes aren't curved
But this professor doesn’t really understand exactly how much material is too much for a 2-hour exam.
that's why I did so well on the first one
He took one multi-part question – the hardest one – and made any points that people got on it bonus. That evened out some of the boneheaded mistakes I made because it was my first chemistry exam in nearly two decades.
Now my brain is finally feeling less like a lump of kludge and working at closer to what I consider acceptable levels.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
I will be a lump of kludge in two weeks
I had two exams this week (one a take home version that took forever and a day to do). I have three more written exams and two practical exam in the next 10 days. I’m also going to Minnesota for a conference next weekend.
heh
The ladies at my class last night wondered how I worked full time and took a college course and found time to teach. :)
I had to confess that I wasn’t sure. I am glad I dropped the math class and just stuck with one. Even my workaholic sister said she only took one at a time while she was working full time. More than that and you just can’t put in a solid effort.
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kludge?
NYT crossword solver?
Justin can now let the fungus grow back on his shower shoes.
I promised my wife that Friday was all about her.
I’m sticking to that no matter what. Sleep can wait.
by lost_in_sauce on Oct 14, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
We went out to the bar and are back home.
Now I’m playing video games and chilling with y’all.
by lost_in_sauce on Oct 14, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm already looking up streams for Venezuelan winter ball games whenever the Tigers aren't on
I hadn’t planned on doing that until sometime next month. Right now it keeps frustrating me because I can’t find feeds for the team I want.
Doña of the fractured Venezuelan Mafia, haunted by the ghosts of Tigers past
"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
And with that, good evening
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Braun Double
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Evening, ladies and gents.
I have no cable, so I’m just Gameday’ing it up. Mostly here for the company.
Ok that just sounds disgusting
Southern Comfort mixed with Tabasco sauce? Sounds like the kinds of nasty shots that people buy for you on your birthday.
I think Southern Comfort by itself is pretty nasty.
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
Did not know that.
Far too lazy to check Baseball-Reference.
by lost_in_sauce on Oct 14, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been listening to Dan and Jim
so this is the first time I’ve heard the Black Ops commercial. I’m not sure I am convinced to eat at Taco Bell.
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
You'll see it at least a half dozen times
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The shrimp tacos last year were badass.
Otherwise, nothing.
by lost_in_sauce on Oct 14, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont mind their Grilled Stuffed Burritos
and their $5 Box Meal (though they got rid of the Cinnamon Twists =/)
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Nothing anymore.
Now I’ll just keep imagining Brian Wilson beard hairs in my food.
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same here
I kept seeing it but this is the first time I heard it. Not impressed.
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So what do you guys think about the merger of the Mountain West and Conference USA?
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Does this mean Boise State is finally in the BCS?
I really have no idea who is in those leagues
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
they haven't talked about getting an AQ bid, but supposedly
the Big East is after Air Force, Navy, UCF, and Boise State (for Football only)
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It's getting absurd
Should just make four super conferences in the North (Big ten), South (SEC), East (ACC) and West (Pac whatever). Create a division 1AAA and leave the pretenders like the MAC, Mountain West, Big East, C USA and what’s left of the Big 12 after all the good teams leave, in the dust
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I didn't even know what those were
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"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
They'll probably get a AQ-bid, the deal isn't official yet
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Big 12
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They replaced Texas A&M who went to the SEC...
its just nuts with all of this realignment
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Granted, I'm a Virginia Tech student/fan
and the ACC is screwing up the Big East in the first place.
by lost_in_sauce on Oct 14, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a matter of raid or be raided
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Apparently the Cardinals have RISP issues too
Doña of the fractured Venezuelan Mafia, haunted by the ghosts of Tigers past
"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
Spoke too soon?
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They just said they were 0-for their last fifteen
Doña of the fractured Venezuelan Mafia, haunted by the ghosts of Tigers past
"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not now they don't.
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
Cardinals on the board first
1- 0 2nd inning
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Looking to get more too
Runners on 2nd/3rd
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wow nice play by Hariston
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No thanks lol
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Thinking Chase Headley. Wonder what he'd take to get.
Since his salary is over 500 K, the Padres would probably unload him.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
If that's all he costs, he's not worth having
but he’s much better than that.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
.289 .374 .399 .773, 13 steals, switch hits, decent defense
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
You guys do realize that Binge has one more year on his contract?
Doña of the fractured Venezuelan Mafia, haunted by the ghosts of Tigers past
"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but that doesn't mean we don't need a third baseman. We do.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Yes
But will they stick with him after this past season or will they look for someone else to pair with him?
I'd bet someone else and use Inge for Late inning defensive replacement
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and get someone with better defensive capability than Betemit
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Everytime y'all bring up the offseason I get sick to my stomach
Doña of the fractured Venezuelan Mafia, haunted by the ghosts of Tigers past
"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
blame Rob =p
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I think use Inge just like they are now
Start vs LHP’s and defensive replacement, depending whom they have at 3B against RHP’s. Even if it’s Kelly or Betemit. However, I think they’ll get someone else.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I think so too.
He only has one year left. May as well wait it out.
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I am curious to see what we do with Brandon after the season is done.
Do we keep him on and try to bring Castellanos up? Or do we keep another bat and platoon 3rd until Inge’s contract is up?
by lost_in_sauce on Oct 14, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Jose Reyes might be an offensive option I think?
but I don’t like the salary
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well, 3-0 Cardinals now
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Wow that throw to the plate was awful.
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
Greinke just hasn't looked the same since his magical 2009 season.
It was like lightning in a bottle.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 8:41 PM EDT reply actions
I was just thinking that.
He used to be amazing on the Royals. Now he’s just… really hittable.
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I was in the stands for one game in 2009 where he struck out 15.
It was the most amazing baseball performance I’ve ever seen. Now, as you said, he’s just bleeding hits.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I was so glad to see him leave the Central.
Now I want him back.
by lost_in_sauce on Oct 14, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It's looking like he brought some good players back into the Central (and subtracted an awful shortstop)
Not that I’m complaining, of course.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't even remember who all was involved in the trade.
Just remember that Greinke wanted out, and now here he is not looking all that great in the playoffs.
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Greinke + Betancourt for
Alcides Escobar, Jeremy Jeffress, Lorenzo Cain, and Jake Odorizzi (probably the Royals’ top pitcher prospect)
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I was not sorry to see Betancourt go
His defense sucked against everyone else but he would come up with a gazillion web gems against the Tigers
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"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I had suggested that the Tigers might get Greinke if they'd also take Gil Meche
but then Meche generously retired, leaving $ 12 million on the table and saving the Royals a bundle. Milwaukee had a similar deal taking on most of Betancourt’s contract, helping KC unload two more big salaries, which was high on their priority list.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Honestly, the Royals are going to give us real trouble
in a few years.
by lost_in_sauce on Oct 14, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
that's quite a few pieces
For a starter to not deliver in the playoffs. : /
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That's also quite a few pieces that haven't hit the majors yet
Escobar is the only one I remember seeing at any point
the trouble with potential
Sometimes it never gets realized.
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Still... Millwaukee got a good pitcher in Greinke
went 10-0 at home this year during the regular season
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I was just checking on his numbers
Wonder why he seems to have lost his way in the playoffs.
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Not to sound mean
not used to the playoffs
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still...
This is the first postseason for Max and he’s done well. So have Rick and Fister. Weird how some people can cope with expectations and the spotlight and some just can’t no matter how much talent they have.
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Ok, bad example then
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no, not a bad example
Just means that every single player is a case unto himself. You can take two players with similar builds, backgrounds, histories, and stats – and yet one might shine under pressure and the other wilts.
People are funny animals.
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Greinke is a special case because of his history
with social anxiety, though I’m not sure whether it’s a factor here.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
MOST of the time one club trades a star for prospects, even top prospects, they get burned
Saw this documented I think on MLBTR and the list of prospects that out performed the stars was pretty limited.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Which makes Cleveland's roster so impressive
A good portion of their core is prospects that they have received in trades.
They'll be a threat next year
specially with them playing basically a AAA squad in Sept.
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but they just decimated their top prospect list in that Ubaldo deal
There’s very little now that they have that hasn’t been called up. Their young stars that we saw in the second half are impressive, but White and Pomerantz were their top two prospects.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
We'll see if those guys pan out
Whether Jimenez can revert to 2010 form is another question for the next season or two.
I still say we came out way better than Cleveland
and not having to give up Porcello or Turner for Ubaldo
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That we did
Dombrowski deserves all the credit in the world for pulling that deal off. I still have no idea why Seattle pulled the trigger.
Not like they didn't get a good package
Ruffin is a near major league ready reliever with closer ceiling, Cisco Martinez is a steady 3B prospect, Casper and Charlie were already up in the bigs this season. I think it’s funny that they bought Luke French twice and gave us a starting pitcher back both times.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
true
I had not realized that this was just Fister’s second full year in the majors. Very impressive performance.
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And best yet
we got him for a few more years. Imagine a full year with Fister. Of course it probably wont be AS good as it has been, but even getting 75% of what we got from Doug this year will make it well worth it
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exactly
I don’t expect spectacular next year, but really really good is highly probable.
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It's really hard to hit the top of a baseball and square it up
Fister’s mechanics are awesome, and his control is freakish.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I am tempering my expectations
Because I don’t want to be disappointed if he starts off 2-3 or something. JV was struggling early in the year, too, and he turned in an okay season. :)
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i'm still a bit new to the saber aspects of pitching
Does Dougie project to keep this up? If so, I’ll need one of his jerseys.
by lost_in_sauce on Oct 14, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I would guess
That he would fall back a bit. You can’t expect a sub-2.00 or whatever his ERA has been for a full season.
He’s clearly learned how to mix his pitches well, and I love his even-keeled mentality. He’ll have a solid year for sure.
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If he gets to 15 wins next season
with an ERA around 3.50, I’d be happy with that
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that would be excellent
And 20-ish from Verlander, decent years from Porcello and Scherzer … and who knows what from not-Penny in the last spot.
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Not to talk about the offseason...
but I am dreaming about the possibilities of free agency and thus non-Pennys.
by lost_in_sauce on Oct 14, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
if we can get 15 Wins from
Scherzer and Porcello next year as well, you’re talking 65 wins (at least) from Porcello, JV, Fister, and Max alone)
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To be fair,
I’m probably trying to over-engineer his performance. I’m willing to stick with Doug for the next 5 years or so.
by lost_in_sauce on Oct 14, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, is Turner generally expected to start the year in the rotation?
I picked him up in a super-deep keeper league.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he probably needs 1 more year in the minors
he looked decent in his few apperences this year with the big club, but there was still some things that he needs to improve upon
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Thanks. Given that it's a 20 player league,
I do plan on holding on to him, but I was curious what to really expect.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like to see him get another year in the minors as well
Picking up another Brad Penny-type 5th starter or letting Below start for a year would be the route I would go.
but not Penny
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Bring back Bonderman.
Kidding
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
only if the poor guy was healthy
Spending more time rehabbing than pitching was so disheartening.
Speaking of which… Rick DiPietro is hurt again. Concussion this time from taking a puck to the head from a teammate in practice. Poor Islanders.
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Big time
DD is looking like a genius and a shoo in for Exec of the year this season. Between the free agent signings last winter- Benoit and Victor, and even Penny; the mid season deals for Fister and Delmon (we won’t talk about Purcey); and getting Jhonny for a song and a pencil sharpener…. all brilliant.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
bird in the hand, two in the bush kind of thing
If you HAVE a player already you don’t need to project what he might be. You already know. If someone hasn’t fully developed yet he could be amazing, could be a bust, likely be somewhere kind of meh in between.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
(bites tongue on Granderson comment)
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Ajax is a special case.
I’m willing to suspend my disbelief in his hitting.
by lost_in_sauce on Oct 14, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
:D
Understood.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
Jeffress started the year on the roster, but was sent down to AAA, then AA
after completely losing control. He has great strikeout stuff but may not have the control to stick.
Cain is projected as the team’s OF of the future and only did not come up until the last week because the team was unable to trade Melky Cabrera.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, Jeffress has to stay on the 40 man roster
because he is one positive marijuana test away from a lifetime ban.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember Alcides Escobar being part of the trade
And Yuniesky Betancourt went to Milwaukee
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"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
From ESPN, 12/20/2010
The Royals announced Sunday that they acquired shortstop Alcides Escobar, outfielder Lorenzo Cain and right-handed pitching prospects Jake Odorizzi and Jeremy Jeffress from the Brewers in exchange for Greinke, shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt and cash considerations.
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Go to any player page on Baseball Reference and they have their transaction history
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I'll do that from now on
just google searched and the ESPN article was the first that popped up
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I'm up for it and down with it! 1968 rematch also. And 1934, and 1940 or something.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
The '68 parallels with this team are amazing
Ace starting pitcher that had a career year, comeback from 3-1 down in the ALCS, win over the St. Louis Cardinals in the World Series.
Now if only we can get Leyland to go along with the three days rest deal, we're all set!
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Even further, it was a rare year where a pitcher won MVP.
If the voters do the right thing, it will be another parallel with this year.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, a Yankees pitcher won Rookie of the Year in 1968.
I do hope that doesn’t happen this time, but it’s possible.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
lol "Super"Nova
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I always think of that Powerman 5000 song Supernova Goes Pop
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Except there was no LCS in 1968, but other than that...
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
I'd be happy to trot this out again
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
My sister sent in a bunch of requests for tickets that year
for the World Series (that’s back when you had to MAIL in your request) and got 2 for game 4. I think the pair cost $25.
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
Where can I get programs for $1 these days!?
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I have having zero luck with winter ball feeds tonight
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"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
Jeez SB without a throw?
Was Greinke always slow?
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No, he was actually pretty quick, if I remember correctly
He had a pretty decent pickoff move
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"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He was thought of as a Gold Glove candidate in 09
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Does this TBS announcer do Brewers broadcasts during the regular season?
He sounds familiar
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"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
My mom thinks
That Napoli looks like a gangster. She says she grew up in Chicagoland, she knows what a gangster looks like and Napoli is not to be trusted. :D #lolmom
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
infatuated how?
Like “squeeing fangirl OMG HE’S SO ADORABLE” infatuated or baseball-fan-type infatuated?
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
I know from experience that it is possible to feel both those types of infatuation at once
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"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
what kind?
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She calls them "monster cookies"
From what I remember, they have oatmeal and M&M’s, and maybe a little peanut butter in them. I got a whole batch for my birthday last year and they were gone way too quickly.
sounds tempting, ask for a recipe next time you see them xD
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lol, good point
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but if you could make them yourself
Then you could have as many as you wanted. What if she cuts you off?
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
Rob doesn't want to hear those words
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you don't have to let her know that you can make them yourself, you know
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
that's why you use a different one
They are all pretty similar.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
Always play dumb
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here is one version
Looks similar to the ones I have made before.
http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/monster-cookies-vi/detail.aspx
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oooh, yes
I have had and made those before. I liked to put in chocolate chips and chopped pecans too.
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I just want my phone call.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
how do you get the cookies?
Do they need a steady supply of cute Porcello pictures or something?
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and she took it?
The Tigers always beat the Yankees!
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Tony LaRussa playing smallball
BUNTING
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I don't care if it works.
Still boring as hell.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
Hurray Free Outs?
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4-0 Cards
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Wow Carlos Gomez
robbed them of a 5th run
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lol? Could Be a Sign of Things to come too?
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Hell of a catch.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
Is Porcello's future Zach Greinke?
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One Cy Young and then a trade for four top prospects?
Might work.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Good point
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and if we have a Betancourt type at the time that we can unload..... all the better
plus, too soon to give up on Zach. He’ll win 15 games again in the NL, IMO.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Jonathan Lucroy looks like Conan O'Brien
Doña of the fractured Venezuelan Mafia, haunted by the ghosts of Tigers past
"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
I'm sick of accidentally clicking on links to profile pages
Although this time I went to my own
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"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
I wish Hart's batting music was Sunglasses At Night
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 9:30 PM EDT reply actions
Why is LaRussa out at the mound?
Garcia is only at 68 pitches and has been lights out so far. Gotta let him get through a tough inning on his own.
didn't look like he had lost it, either
last ball was a grounder that got through. If it’s fielded, Garcia stays in?
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
what a control freak
Just pitch yourself, Tony, if you think someone is doing so poorly.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
this game's become a snore
NMU up 4-1 on st cloud state and SCSU has been flat for most of the second and third. zzzz.
Random
My friend refers to St Louis as “the city where they don’t let you park anywhere”
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"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
From personal experience, I can verify that parking can be difficult there.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard that San Francisco is the same way, but I cannot verify this because I took BART from San Leandro to San Francisco and used public transportation in the city
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"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No left hand turns in San Francisco.
Gotta make three righties. Great way to see the city.
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I would be too tempted to attempt to re-enact the famous chase scene in Bullitt.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
San Francisco was a lot of fun
I wish I had had more than just two weekends to explore it
Doña of the fractured Venezuelan Mafia, haunted by the ghosts of Tigers past
"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And Wyandotte takes the Downriver League title for the second year!
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
"Could be the ballgame right there"
Seriously?
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
"could be the ballgame right there"
In the FIFTH inning? There is half of the game yet to go. #puzzled
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
FWIW- World Series tickets are less in St Louis than they are in Detroit or Milwaukee
at least on the lower end.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Is this where MLB is headed?
Starters who pitch 5 innings(or less.) Then, a stacked bullpen of 5 or 6 guys who can all throw hard and get guys out?
Was wondering while contemplating Nolan Ryan saying he was going to push his starters and not pay attention to pitch counts, while he’s built his team around a bunch of 5 inning starters and a stacked ’pen. A bit of a contradiction?
Are guys like Verlander and CC the last stand?
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That actually sounds like you'd burn out your bullpen really quickly
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"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's just Tony LaRussa and the NL in general
Problem is that so many lineups work the count that even with a higher pitch count the starters are out of the game more quickly, and few guys have the stuff to fool the same hitters multiple times.
I think it will be more based on individual pitchers.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
Waylaid by the Tony Factor there.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
After watching Texas and Ron Washington pull his starters very early
And now tonight…………and have seen this before on a few occasions. Makes me wonder.
An all RH’d starting staff, 5 or 6 lefties in the ‘pen, and a RH’d closer? Would that be optimal? Things that make ya go: hmmmmmmm.
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It might be the managers.
If a manager leaves a starter in “too long” he gets hammered and could lose his job if too many games are lost. If he goes with the matchups, even if he still fails and the team loses, he gets a pass because “he made the right moves.”
A manager would have to be very confident in his position and his knowledge of his own players to know who to leave in and who not to.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
A couple of factors
- they get a day of rest between games to travel
- they never save guys for the next game because everything is on the line
- most clubs have an extra starter in the bullpen that they can go to early, as opposed to the usual mop up man
and I think that managers are just more nervous and tend to over manage in big situations
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
nervous for sure
It takes a lot of guts to have enough faith in a starter to work out of jams and regain his form.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
but the Tigers work some of those factors in reverse
rain outs have canceled our days off
our extra starter is in the pen for sentimental reasons and horrifies everyone at the sight of him warming up
we have no decent middle relievers
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
When did Brad Penny ever become a sentimental favorite?
Doña of the fractured Venezuelan Mafia, haunted by the ghosts of Tigers past
"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
JL couldn't look himself in the mirror if he left Penny off the playoff roster
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on the other hand
We have starters who are capable of going deep into games and a manager who trusts them to do so.
That counts for a lot. No matter how much any of us rag on Leyland for any of a number of reasons, he knows his team well and they play their hearts out for him.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
I heart the starting staff :)
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
I want to have some chocolate
But I haven’t eaten any since the end of game 4 and now I don’t want to risk a food jinx for tomorrow. #pathetic
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
I have to work tomorrow for the first time since late August and I'm not looking forward to it
Doña of the fractured Venezuelan Mafia, haunted by the ghosts of Tigers past
"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Long day, or a short one?
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
11-7
Doña of the fractured Venezuelan Mafia, haunted by the ghosts of Tigers past
"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
A short one, then
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Not when you're used to your rotation site hours, which is 10-3 with an hour lunch built into that
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"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Used to work that shift.. except it was 11 pm to 7 am.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
One must respect the streak
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I know
But the peanut butter cups are calling my name. They will just have to wait another couple of weeks, though. #willpower
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Good on ya
In your honor, I will drink the same alcohol I had during game 4
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I want a beer tonight.. but I had a job interview the other day
and I’m not sure if it’s one of those places that also screens for alcohol. They did indicate to me that they do a more extensive background check than most places do because of the nature of where I interviewed.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
probably best to be safe
And not cross the workplace busybodies. >:(
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
That's what I'm thinking.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 14, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope the interview went well.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
Bah.
I have been sitting here like a lump watching baseball and chatting instead of being productive.
Still, I’ve had a busy week, and the weekend will be busy too, so I guess I have to relax sometime.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
I'm halfway focused on studying
Although that’s been derailed over the past half hour or so
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I'm just going to pick a brain-dead project that I won't have to think about.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
I should be sorting through my California pictures to decide which ones to burn onto a CD for my grandma
I took hundreds of pictures and I need to narrow it down to about 50 or so for her.
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"In baseball, there is what you expect and what you cannot expect, and after that there is what you cannot even imagine." --AG
Rebound! Look out, boys and girls, cuz here we go again!
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
#herpderp
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
Well that was not unexpected.
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
Not at all.
8 errors in 10 game for the Brewers? That really sucks.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
I think just herpderp syndrome
The Brewer SS (I think? an infielder anyway) has made two errors in this game. Seems like a team failure.
I need to double check, but I think at some point one of the talking heads said that Detroit didn’t commit any errors in the series against the Yankees. I find that hard to believe and remarkable if true.
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Didn't Jackson drop a lazy fly ball in one of the games?
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
it's all a blur
Was that the Yankee series or this one? I can’t remember now.
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Hi all
Sort of new here… is anyone else excited for the next 24 hours?
at midnight (tonight): midnight madness
U-M at MSU at noon
Then Tigers at 8
howdy :)
And welcome.
Don’t the UNDEFEATED DETROIT LIONS play on Sunday, too? Or is it an off week for them?
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
Could be a nice weekend for Michigan sports fans. :)
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Thanks
That too! Perhaps I should’ve said the next 48 hours!
I’m just hoping to sleep between now and then.. although it seems that some of you haven’t really slept much this week already.
#playoffstress
Tension and angst and being unable to breathe … but oh how I love it so.
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Welcome to the madness
Well, this isn’t the actual madness, but you get the idea.
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw a replay of the 1994 All-Star Game on MLB Network a couple years ago
They talked about Ozzie Smith back then like they talk about Derek Jeter today.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 10:14 PM EDT reply actions
methinks Ozzie deservec his accolades much more
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Hearing them talk about it still got kind of old, though
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, now that is a sweet postseason commercial. :)
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tigers get the 27th draft pick next June
isn’t that where we got Porcello?
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You think DD will have the pick around to choose a player? Or will he go Type-A FA?
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt we go after a Type-A
The list doesn’t seem too impressive this season.
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
CJ isn't a Type-A?
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
With what the Yanks and Boston figure to be offering, he won't be worth it
Buehrle would be a better bargain as a type b.
Besides, DD has never given more for a FA SP than $ 8 mil to Kenny Rogers.
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Buehrle would be nice
Then our roster would have at least one former player from each of our divisional rivals (assuming Betemit stays)
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
with the trade for Fister I think getting a high-priced starter is less of an issue.
Clearly the team needs bats more. Starters are pretty decent.
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Is this a PITCHER who might be walked???
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okay, a K
That makes more sense.
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Its so nice to be able to watch a game and not really care about what happens
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evening, guys
so, FA was just mentioned. one of the blogs on traderumors said the tigers were the number 1 suitor (or best fit) for Jose Reyes. I personally think he’s not a fit. Still an interesting article. thoughts?
Not for that money. If Reyes could be had for 4 yrs $60MM? Sure, but he'll sign for a lot more. No thanks.
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i was thinking the same
plus, the fact that he pulled himself out of the game after 1 inning so that he could win the batting title? is he the best teammate/clubhouse persence?
still, to think of him atop the lineup instead of Ajax…..wow
TBH I'd prefer the guy getting hit in the face in my pic over Reyes
But not by much
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The Tigers rarely do what the media says they'll do
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Trying to bun with 6 outs left and trailing by 4
Sure, ok Milwaukee
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it's the MANIFICENCE OF NATIONAL LEAGUE STRATEGERY
zzzzzzz………..
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magnificence
#doh
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Manificence? lol ... is that the new romantic comedy starring Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston?
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That right there is the perfect argument not to bunt
Please Leyland pay attention
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I can't believe I went all whole week without these fucking Big Bang Theory commercials
I’ve missed out on so much
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so you don't buy that Big Bang Theory makes TBS smarter?
I think it’s a lost cause too.
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Why is State Farm using one of the Portal robots in its ad?
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The batter formerly known as Prince could make this interesting
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When you're biggest bat strikes out on a dirtball you're done
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Fuck Wendys for trying to revive "wheres the beef"
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Fuck Wendy's for not being closer to my house
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck Wendys for having a ginger for a mascot
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Hey, watch that talk!
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
Meh
Remember pre-cokehead Lindsay Lohan?
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't care for the Cardinals
but I do hope Edwin Jackson does well.
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9 hits 1 run?
The Brewers are the Tigers of the NL (ducks under objects being flung)
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Brewers make too many errors. :P
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I have insider information that tells me Tony La Russa sold his soul to the devil to make his medicore team overperform in the playoffs
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Figures the devil would love bunting.
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Seems kinda doubtful as you'd think La Russa had already sold his soul back in 06
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Could LaRussa be any luckier? The Tigers gift wrapped the '06 Series, and now the Brewers are gift wrapping the '11 NLCS
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget Philly's offense magically disappearing in game 5 of the NLDS
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I can't really see Pujols going anywhere else.
I can’t think of a team with the money to spend on him that needs a first baseman off the top of my head.
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I could see the Yankees signing him just to prevent any other team from having him
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perhaps
They have the money for it.
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But...but...
TEIXEIRA IS GOD!
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Pujols the highest paid benchwarmer in history
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Rumor has it that Pujols will sign for less MLB money with the Cards, but the A-B money after he retires will MORE than make up for it
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The Boston Red Sox
Look like quite the soap opera.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6eMS_zrTliI
These guys are awesome
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The best tweet of the day, from Jay Jaffe
It’s a good thing Boston has an never-ending supply of buses for the Sox ownership to throw people under.
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
hee hee
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This is a pretty insane year for FA batters
Pujols, Fielder, Reyes, Rollins. And that’s just NL
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I like the first baseman we already have
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
We should try and convert one of them into a 2B than sign him
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they are popular
Also the position that gets MVP more often than any other position. I rummaged through baseball-reference to check.
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We don't need Votto
But I’d love it if we went after Brandon Phillips if the Reds don’t pick up his option
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This right here
Can’t think of any other top tier 2Bs available
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He's the best 2B in baseball that I can think of
Incredibly underrated because he plays in Cincinnati
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't mean to rip open the stitches, but Sizemore was our second baseman.
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Phillips >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott Sizemore
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
There can't be enough >'s in that comment
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, for '11. But not moving forward. IMO, of course. Give me Sizemore and take the money spent on Phillips and sign a couple of relievers. The team will be better.
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, moving forward too
Sizemore is looking more like a AAAA player every day. Phillips is a top-3 2B in the MLB, hands down. Bullpen guys are a dime a dozen.
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus we have a gazillion bullpen prospects in our minor leagues already
I’d prefer they develop a few of those guys instead of making trades for relievers
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Bullpen guys may be a "dime a dozen", but if you expect to progress in the postseason, you need more
When you consider a guy like Benoit costs 5-ish MM a year? Then you take the $12MM it cost for Phillips and sign to top notch relievers. Add them to Valverde/Benoit/Coke … and you’ve really got something. The difference between Phillips and Sizemore won’t come close to the difference two veteran relievers will make on our staff. I’ll take Sizemore and two veteran outstanding relievers, you take Phillips. I think the Tigers are better in my scenario.
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
TWO top notch relievers
Second base isn’t a position to spend any money on. The difference between Phillips and Sizemore doesn’t come close to making up for the opportunity cost.
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
This is where we disagree
The difference between Phillips and Sizemore won’t come close to the difference two veteran relievers will make on our staff.
Either you’re overrating the hell out of Scott Sizemore or overestimating the impact of the 4th and 5th relievers of a pitching staff on a team’s level of success in both the regular season and the playoffs. Brandon Phillips is miles better than Sizemore. Plug him into the black hole that was the #2 lineup spot and 2nd base this season, and we’re looking at 100 wins in the regular season. Plug him into this playoff roster and we might be the ones up 3-2 heading back to Texas, if not already in the World Series.
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Overrating the hell out of someone? You act like Phillips is Joe Morgan.
If there was one thing Sziemore could do, it was get on base. I take two veteran, very good relievers and Sizemore. You take Phillips. Are you honestly saying the Tigers are better in your scenario?
The Tigers soft underbelly is their middle relief!
The difference betwen Sizemore and Phillips won’t come close to the run prevention by curing middle relief.
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's what Phillips brings to the table
He was 6.0 WAR this season. The Tigers’ 2nd base position was 2.2 WAR. Roughly speaking, we’re at 99 regular season wins right there, and that’s just offensively. Defensively, Phillips’ UZR was 11.4. The Tigers’ 2nd base position: -5.5.
There is no way that improving the middle relief over what the Tigers had this season (remember, 82-0 when leading after 7 innings, only 2 losses when leading after 6) is worth the 4ish WAR that Phillips would have been.
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Career OBP
Brandon Phillips .322
Scott Sizemore .329
The Tigers would be well served to have Brandon Phillips in their lineup. IF, the opportunity cost wasn’t so high. At $12MM? For a second baseman? Who gets on base less than Scott Sizemore?
That was my point. Better the Tigers held on to Sizemore, put him in the 2 and left him there, and then spend the $12MM on something else. You don’t like relief? Okay, pick something else. How about CJ Wilson?
Okay, I take Sizemore and CJ Wilson over Phillips.
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd take Sizemore and CJ Wilson over Phillips too
But that’s not what you originally stated. We just switched from replacing the 4th and 5th relievers to replacing Brad Penny with what would arguably be the best #2 starter in the AL.
Sizemore’s career OBP is based on 158 Major League games. Phillips has matched or topped that figure in each of the past 3 seasons despite having literally half the walk rate that Sizemore does.
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, Sizemore's sample is smaller.
But his skill of getting on base has been there for his entire professional career. It’s not like Phillips, who has only exhibited this skill in the past year(his contract year……..surprising?)
What I originally stated was the Tigers should have kept Sizemore and spent the money elsewhere. The opportunity cost of $12MM is not something wasted on a second baseman. The difference between Phillips and Sizemore isn’t nearly enough to warrant that opportunity cost. Phillips is good, but he’s not THAT good. Not good enough to outweigh keeping Sizemore and using the $12MM elsewhere.
Relief, starting pitching, whatever. The Tigers IMO should have kept Sizemore, played him in the 2 all this season and allowed him to do what he does best. Get on base.
Spending $12MM on any second baseman not named Joe Morgan would be silly. Again … IMO.
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Phillips' stats for the past 3 seasons
.276/.329/.447 with 20 HR and 98 RBI in ’09
.275/.332/.430 with 18 HR and 59 RBI in ’10
.300/.353/.457 with 18 HR and 82 RBI in ’11
It’s also interesting to note that Phillips’ power has dipped over the past two seasons (hovering around .155 ISO after 3 seasons of .170+) and is scoring more runs (194 runs scored in the past two years). I wonder if he’s changed his approach at the plate with the changing personnel in the lineup around him in Cincinnati, specifically the emergence of Jay Bruce and Joey Votto in the middle of the order.
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 15, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course, we can leave rbi out of the discussion
Sizemore wouldn’t be hitting in the middle of the order. Playing full time for the first time for the A’s, Sizemore went .249/.345/.433 for an OPS of .778. Phillips’ OPS last year was .810. Do you honestly think that difference is worth $11.5MM in salary?
Keep Sizemore. He won’t quite come up to Phillips’ numbers, but the difference won’t be enough to not look elsewhere to spend your money. And THAT was my point.
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by Singledigit on Oct 15, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
To illustrate why I'm not impressed with relievers
Here are the WAR numbers for some of our bullpen guys this season (remember that WAR takes high-leverage situations into account)
Jose Valverde: 1.0
Joaquin Benoit: 1.3
Al Al: 1.3
Daniel Schlereth: -0.3
Ryan Perry: 0.2
If you were to replace Perry and Schlereth with Benoit and Al Al equivalents, we’re still only looking at a jump of 2.7 WAR, a fair bit below the 3.8 that Phillips was above the 2nd base position. This also assumes that the relievers replacing Perry and Schlereth would see the same high leverage situations that Benoit and Al Al do in their current roles that boost their WAR to those levels in the first place.
On the other hand, the difference between CJ Wilson and Brad Penny was 5.1 WAR (5.9 to 0.8) this season. Like I said before, I’d take Wilson and Sizemore over Phillips any day, and the statistics back this up.
Basically, replacing two relievers is going to give you nowhere near the same return that replacing your worst starter (and the AL’s worst in terms of WAR for pitchers with enough IP) with one of the best starters in the AL (4th in the league in WAR).
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You put more faith in WAR than I do
It’s like OPS for lead off hitters. It undervalues them. WAR for relievers does the same.
Plus, WAR doesn’t take into account opportunity cost of money spent. Yes, WAR loves players like Phillips. But according to the WAR you’ve posted for Phillips, he’s barely less valuable than Cabrera. Do I have that wrong?
Does Brandon Phillips even belong on the same page as Miguel Cabrera?
WAR is not math. It is a variable, and subjective.
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by Singledigit on Oct 15, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
So is cost
Phillips doesn’t belong in the same league as Cabrera, and thus makes about half as much money. Even with a bump in pay in this next contract, he probably won’t push north of $15 million per season. As we’ve already covered, I’d much rather spend that $15 million on CJ Wilson if the opportunity presents itself, but if that doesn’t happen then I’d spend that same money on Phillips before a couple other bullpen guys.
And for comparison’s sake, Cabrera is sitting at an average of $21.5 million over the next 4 seasons.
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 15, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
But Rob
The discussion was does Phillips warrant the difference in his salary vs Sizemore’s salary, and the opportunity cost of spending the ducats elsewhere.
Give me Sizemore, as I earlier stated, and ANY other signings for the $11.5MM difference. Relief pitchers, a starter, a new third baseman. Whatever. Brandon Phillips doesn’t come close to making up for the difference of keeping Sizemore and signing other pieces.
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by Singledigit on Oct 15, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
And my answer is "it depends on what you're spending it on"
I was trying to illustrate (crudely, I’ll admit) that investing in an improvement at 2nd base (Phillips) is more valuable than investing in middle relief guys that are only going to give you maybe 40-50 innings in an entire season. Upgrading at starting pitcher (especially the extreme upgrade we proposed) is more valuable than a Phillips vs. Sizemore upgrade. Other positions depend on who we’re talking about replacing.
Money aside, it’s extremely hard to assess what kind of difference a guy like Brandon Phillips would have on a team like the Tigers over the course of the season. Adding money into the equation just makes it even tougher to decipher.
This is my last comment of the night on this topic because I have to get some other stuff done, but I just wanted to say that I enjoyed our discussion. Unfortunately, I think that this whole situation is a moot point because Sizemore is gone and I don’t think the Tigers will even sniff an opportunity to pick up Phillips or Wilson in the offseason.
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 15, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Enjoyed the discussion myself
I appreciate it.
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by Singledigit on Oct 15, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
What I guess I'm saying
And probably not doing a very goof job of … lol.
Your post “Brandon Phillips >>>>>>>Scot Sizemore” doesn’t come close to the reality of the situation.
OF COURSE Phillips is better than Sizemore. At least right now. BUT, that doesn’t take into account the cost, the opportunity cost for the differences in salary, and whether those differences can be spent elsewhere more productively.
Phillips is better’n Sizemore……..but not enough to justify the $11.5MM in salary. Keep Sizemore, spend the money elsewhere. The Tigers are better off.
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by Singledigit on Oct 15, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Your post "Brandon Phillips >>>>>>>Scot Sizemore" doesn’t come close to the reality of the situation.
I understand that, that comment was mostly tongue-in-cheek (as most of my quick, blunt comments of that nature are).
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 15, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
If it makes any difference, A's fans are pretty indifferent about Sizemore
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
For some reason, A's fans have a strong dislike for Carlos Guillen
He was booed pretty lustily, but the A’s fan next to me would only say that A’s fans didn’t like him. He wouldn’t say why.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I do too. To me, it's not a question of whether Phillips is better than Sizemore
It’s a question of resources. Phillips won’t be THAT much better than Sizemore and his salary compared to Phillips and his salary. The opportunity cost of that salary difference makes the team much better.
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by Singledigit on Oct 14, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
They will pick it up, even if they trade him
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Never underestimate an MLB GM's ability to do something incredibly stupid
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Jocketty is a pretty sharp cookie, though
Unless they’re really strapped for cash.
But the Reds do have to choose where they’re going to spend their money. Talk of trading Votto because they can’t keep him. Still, they can get something for BP, even on a one year $ 12 mil option.
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They could still get a hefty package for Phillips
No reason to sell themselves short when they have Type A picks heading their way if he leaves.
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
and he said that he won't accept arbitration
but I still think the return would be better than 2 picks to trade him.
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Which is why The Bigs is awesome
Binge straight up for Ortiz, Bay and Pedroia? Sure why not (remember Bigs 2 came out in 09)
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I wish the MLB 2K series didn't suck so much :(
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The only straight-up loser in the Holiday swap-fest last year
Was Oakland. Traded Cargo zoom to get him than traded him to St. Louis where he stopped sucking. Can’t remember what the As got back for him but it can’t be anywhere near what they gave up
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Carlos Gonzalez
Now THERE’S someone I wouldn’t object to seeing in the Olde English D
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 14, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
This
He’s a guy I wouldn’t hesitate to give up Austin Jackson for.
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION TIME
Let’s say that the baseball gods smile upon us and CJ Wilson signs for like $12-15 million a year for 4 years. Then we package Jackson, random minor leaguer and either Porcello/Turner for Gonzalez.
Commence drooling.
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Brewers will have to regroup at home.
It would help if they didn’t commit FOUR ERRORS in one game.
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The first error was hilarious
Hellen Keller could have made that play. And it cost them 2 runs
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it was amazingly derpy
And then it was like the whole team caught it.
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Just put a cardboard cutout of a good 3B if that's how shitty your current one is
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They're definitely capable
One of the best home teams in baseball
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that's that.
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
I suppose we shouldn't be surprised
Remember it took Milwaukee all 5 games in the first round to beat the Dbacks. Even if they somehow advance they’ll get stomped out in the WS
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Even if they somehow advance they’ll get stomped out in the WS
This is what we said about St. Louis in 2006…
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I was referring to Milwaukee who will get eaten by Texas or Detroit
St. Louis is fueled by mediocrity so they’re a completely different story
My friends call me Lenny... only I ain't got no friends.
You should be proud of me
I even used SABR stats (probably incorrectly) in a comment!
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I also did it in 1/3 as many paragraphs
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd for truth
I did it in two. See the Brandon Phillips vs. Scott Sizemore conversation above.
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Flying out to the game tomorrow!
Anything you recommend I hit up while I’m at the ballpark in Arlington?
I would just like to note the ducks announcers suck.
by Kurt Mensching on Oct 14, 2011 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
about as exciting to listen to as joe buck too
by Kurt Mensching on Oct 15, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Why do I feel like it's last call?
Gotta love the west coast.
Justin can now let the fungus grow back on his shower shoes.
by Singledigit on Oct 15, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
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