The 2012 25 Man Roster
by Muttcutts on Oct 18, 2011 6:11 PM EDT
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Ok. Let's play GM for a moment. Here are what I believe to be the locks for the 25 man roster in 2012 barring any trades:
Avila, Boesch, Cabrera, Dirks, Inge, Jackson, Kelly, Raburn, Vmart, Peralta, Delmon, Benoit, Coke, Fister, Porcello, Scherzer, Valverde, Verlander. That's 18. Who will make up the final 7?
First issue to address is the dreaded fifth starter. I think it's unlikely the Tigers go after CJ Wilson or Mark Buerhle or any other top flight starter. Either we're signing Brad Penny 2.0 aka an innings eater who will sign a 1 year, incentive-laden deal or we going to give Duane Below or maybe Andy Oliver a shot. I do not believe Jacob Turner will start the year in Detroit. Send him to AAA and let him dominate. My gut is either it's Duane Below or we sign someone inexpensive like Tiger-killer, Bruce Chen. If Turner is absolutely shredding AAA, call him up for the stretch run.
Second issue is second base. I've got bad news for everyone The Reds are not going to let Brandon Phillips walk. $12M option is going to happen if they can't work out a long term deal, so that's out. The free agent class is not inspiring otherwise. Aaron Hill is top of a pretty weak class. My best guess, resign Ramon Santiago to a modest two year contract and platoon with Ryan Raburn. Sorry Will Rhymes, your career with the Tigers is done.
Third issue is third base. Brandon Inge's late "surge" will certainly deceive the Tigers brass into thinking he can still be a everyday big league third baseman. Sadly this is not the case and I'm predicting a Gary Sheffield type release and a trade deadline acquisition. Wilson Betemit is inexpensive as a backup plan, though his defense isn't that great and he swings at everything. Aramis Ramirez is too old and going to be looking for ridiculous money. Avoid like the plague. Castellanos will be here in 2013. Let Don Kelly be the platoon with Inge. It ain't pretty, but what other options are out there? (there is one if you keep reading)
Fourth issue is the bullpen. I am not sold on Ryan Perry, David Pauley or Daniel Schlereth. We definitely need to bolster this pen with another veteran or two to compliment Coke, Al Al, Benoit and Valverde. Grab two veterans from the free agent class. Fernando Rodney is avail. :) Let these AAA+ pitchers battle it out with Marte and Villareal for one a spot. All under club control anyway.
Fifth issue is a backup catcher. I don't want Vmart to catch another game in his life. We have $50M invested in those knees. Go get Jose Molina or give Omir Santos a shot.
Final issue is speed. We have none. Jose Reyes is without a doubt the most desirable acquisition we could make. The question is will they even bother with his price tag? Signing Reyes gives you a bonafide leadoff guy who can play short (moving Jhonny to third), will hit over .300 and steal 40 bases. His injury history is scary and we could regret it, but it could be the piece that puts us over the top.
So my final seven roster spots look like this:
1. Ramon Santiago
2. Righty Free Agent Relief Pitcher #1
3. Leffy Free Agent Relief Pitcher #2/ Schlereth
4. Back up Catcher
5. Duane Below/Andy Oliver/Some Incentive Laden Deal for Veteran
6. Perry/Pauley/Villareal/Marte whoever wants it.
7. Jose Reyes!
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I don't want the risk with Reyes..
Too much money for a risk as huge as that. He’s a good player always when healthy.
It's a pipe dream too.
We already have 2 top dollar franchise players in Verlander and Cabrera. DD has stated many time that we won’t be spending that kind of money again on anyone else.
I don't think he meant that he'd spend $140+ Million to get just one guy
Even if he did, we got an All-Star Shortstop already. If we’re going to spend crazy money it will be on something we actually need.
by Keith-Allen on Oct 18, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Aramis Ramirez
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by David Tokarz on Oct 19, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
As far as free agents go, Aramis would have to be at the top of the list to fit the Tigers' needs
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I'd love a 3 year deal
What do you think the chances of a 3-year contract are? I’m suspecting he’ll look for 4 or 5 years with this being the last “big” contract he’ll get.
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I'd do 4 years 48 million
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by David Tokarz on Oct 20, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Not out of the question
given team needs and certain comments in the papers about what might happen this winter.
Between SP, 2B, and 3B, probably two nice upgrades and one quick fix. Maybe an OF, but that is a bit less likely if they can do it at other positions, IMO.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
4 years?
He’ll be 34 next year, he’s played a full schedule 2 years out of the last 5, he’s a negative defensively, and he’s been compiling his hitting stats in the NL and in Wrigley Field.
Love to have him 1 or 2 years, but I’d hate to see DD sign him for 4. I’d be worried that the last two years of Ramirez’ contract coupled with the last 2 of Victors might make it more difficult to hang on to Porcello and/or Scherzer after ’13 and beyond.
4 year contracts to guys like Ramirez(see: Guillen) made it so DD had to trade Granderson and Edwin to free up salary space, right? We’d want to see that scenario repeated?
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by Singledigit on Oct 21, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
wouldn't be a bad problem to have
it’d allow us to give Castellanos time to adjust to the big leagues rather than call him and a rely on him to be a big part of the offense. great example is Moustakas in KC this year… great prospect, and still a great player but didn’t hit big league pitching that well in his 89 games with the Royals this year.
that’d be the problem with the 4 year contract… by year 4 Nick would be what, 23? maybe 24? so that last year of the Aram contract he’d probably be ready to take over… and maybe by then Aram would be regulated to a backup/pinch hitting role.
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Or, Aram would be a nice trade chip
Or, there’s been talk of Castellanos moving to the OF. I’m not sure if this is founded or not.
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I want instant gratification
ARam has been getting 15- 16 mil per year. With the time that he’s spent on the DL and deteriorating defensive ability at an infield position, his value has dropped, but he is still an .850 plus OPS guy. He’s one of a select few free agents that fit the Tigers needs in the lineup, at least in terms of defensive position.
One caveat- he does have a club option for $ 16 million with the Cubs that didn’t automatically vest, but it’s there. It gets voided if he is traded, so he can not be acquired by trade. No telling what Theo will do with the Cubs, but he’s likely to start looking for longer term solutions, and will have some budget to go after the likes of a Pujols or Fielder as a center piece.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I hear you
I’d like him at 3 years more than 4 or 5, but I’m not sure the organization will see it the same way.
A lot of people are seeing Castellanos as the 3B of the future, but he’s still a long way from Detroit. Erie to start next season would be a rush. An aggressive but steady path would put him in Detroit in 2014.
Personally, I’d rather sign Reyes, but I think I’m in the minority. I think Reyes makes the offense a little more dynamic, shores up the defense, and addresses a gaping hole in the entire organization. Granted, he’ll be more expensive and the contract will last longer.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
What gapping hole does Reyes fill?
We already have a Shortstop?
Yes. Lead off hitter for one...
Long-term shortstop for another.
If he end up with Peralta at SS in 2012, nobody will be too upset (unless he trends back to his career norms in terms of AVG and OBP…then we’ll get a few grumbles). Even if he’s there in 2013 through the option, it’s not the end of the world.
However, beyond that, this organization has close to nothing that looks to be a MLB-potential SS. We’re stronger at just about every other position.
I’ve already made the argument that Peralta should not be a reason to not sign Reyes. The contract length or annual cost might be good reasons. Reyes himself might be a cause of concern (speed doesn’t age well, injuries in 2010…etc.), but Johnny Peralta shouldn’t be what stops us.
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Lead off, really?
I certainly don’t think AJax is a gaping hole.
In his only 2 season’s he has a .271 AVG and .331 OBP.
The AL average for a 1st hitter is .265 AVG and .326 OBP.
So Jackson has actually been just a little above league average, He’s just 24 years old and he’s been making less than 500k a year. Dollar for dollar, you’ll have a tough time finding a better lead off hitter.
Reyes, he has a career .292 AVG with a .341 OBP.
He would be better than AJax, but he certainly wouldn’t be $20 Million better.
I’d would of loved to have Reyes prior to his Free Agency when he did have lots of surplus value. The fact of the matter is, at $20 Million a year, he’s going to be a huge burden to some team’s payroll. He’d be even worse for us because we don’t need another Shortstop or another lead off hitter. The gains would be marginal, but the cost would be astronomical.
See
Now there’s an argument that (almost) didn’t include Peralta.
And Jackson looks a lot more like a #9 hitter than a leadoff hitter. His 2010 numbers were propped by a lucky BABIP. You can probably expect better than last season (those two year averages are my expectation). I think having a leadoff hitter that gets on base at .350+ (which is pretty realistic for Reyes, but we could find it elsewhere as well) would certainly help the team. We shouldn’t be content with Jackson just because he’s around the league average that includes about 5 contenders and 10 pretenders.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
I would never write AJax off as a 9th hitter.
I just think he had an off year, much like how Matt Kemp did last year.
He just needs that “lucky BABIP” skill to bounce back. Having an aggressive swing has advantages in that high BABIP’s can be sustained over the course of a single season. Disadvantage is consistency. He’s going to have some not so good years.
When things are going well for AJax he is the perfect guy to have batting 1st.
by Keith-Allen on Oct 23, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We can move him to another position
He just started learning 3B. He was drafted as a Shortstop. A lot of guys move positions throughout their careers. Ryan Braun, Albert Pujols, Miguel Cabrera to name a few.
by Keith-Allen on Oct 21, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they will sign Worth instead of Santiago as the utility infielder/uh oh we need a second baseman guy.
I hope they non-tender Young. Raburn provides better offense and defense at a lower cost.
I think they will try Turner as the 5th starter and trade for someone if it doesn’t work out. Oliver will pick up the games between the Turner demotion and the trade.
Non-tender Delmon Young
Two disagreements
First, Raburn cast his lot in 2011. He had his chance at regular playing time and didn’t take advantage of it. Leyland views him as a part-time player. With his first half struggles, I doubt the team will count on him in any significant role and any first-half production from Raburn will come because of necessity rather than choice.
Second, I think it’s much more likely that Turner finishes 2012 in the rotation than starts it in the rotation. He’ll have about 180IP in his arm and will spend at least April in Toledo. We’ll go another route and his time will come if we need a 5th stater. If he grabs it, he’ll hold it through the end of 2012. (There are also some financial ramifications that result from service time. It’s not a deal-maker for Detroit like it is for some teams, but it’s a consideration.)
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Is there any truth to the broken finger rumor about Raburn? Even if not I can’t think of any reason for an early/late split. I think Raburn is more likely to be consistently good than Young.
Toledo innings count towards the total. Why waste ’em? Also, the Tigers already gave him a month or so worth of service time. I doubt they keep him all of September to pitch once if they are worried about Super 2 status.
Non-tender Delmon Young
Good point on the super 2
I didn’t think much about his time this year.
As for Toledo, I do think it’s easier to limit innings in Toledo than Detroit. They can throw him 5 or 6 innings per start and let the bullpen take over.
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I agree with most of your points
I would like to see the Tigers go after Reyes, but I am concerned about his injury history and I wonder if he will be motivated after signing the big contract that he will probably get.
Second, for the right-handed reliever, may I suggest going after Jonathan Broxton. While he has been injuried, I believe that he could rebound. LA will probably let him go, because they have Jansen to close. I would love to see Detroit sign Broxton to a low-cost, incentive-laden contract. Broxton needs to be worked back into high-pressure situations, and I think he would be a great 7th Inning guy. If it doesn’t work out, fine, but if Broxton regains his 2009 form, we could have an elite reliever for next to nothing.
I would also like Detroit to get a backup catcher beside VMart,so Avila can get regular breaks, so he doesn’t die in the playoffs again.
Oh, and I’m curious to see what Illitch does to get “another big bat in our lineup”.
Detroit Tigers: 2011 AL Central Champs
Third base was a bigger issue than second base in 2011, IMO
At least offensively speaking.
Tiger second basemen: .260 .311 .394 .705
League Second basemen: .262 .320 .398 .718
Tiger Third basemen: .222 .286 .331 .617
League Third basemen: .246 .314 .393 .707
Add in defense, or lack thereof, from Betemit and Raburn, and we’ve got a problem.
Need to address infield defense, OBP at the top of the lineup, speed, 2B and 3B in two moves, IMO.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Go for for Reyes because this is it
Tigers have the best pitcher and one of the best hitter in the game. How often can Tigers say that. This is something special. Payroll been up to 130 m before why not one more time. They also need a 7th inning guy too. I have feeling too that a big trade may be available.
I'd rather spend the available cash on some improvements.
Just because an owner has money and baseball has no salary cap doesn’t mean there aren’t limits to spending.
Reyes is a great name and there’s still some potential but the money is better spend improving multiple positions than forcing Peralta over to 3B and having Reyes at SS.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
You use the word "forcing" which sounds bad...
But doesn’t having Peralta at 3B and Reyes at SS improve two positions? That’s multiple.
I’d favor Reyes at the right price because
1.) He makes the top of our lineup substantially better.
2.) If Jackson moves to #9, I think the bottom of our lineup becomes better and more dynamic.
3.) Our range at SS improves
4.) If Peralta shifts to 3B, we improve substantially there offensively.
I’m guessing the Reyes goes for about 20M annually and gets 5+ years, probably about 7. It’s not an easy decision, but our organization really doesn’t have much on the horizon for the middle infield. If we’re going to spend big buck, it should be in that area.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
No
3B is not better for Jhonny or the team.
He was not good at the hot corner in Cleveland- actually much worse than he was at shortstop. You might think that a lack of range (esp to his right) would play better there, but it didn’t. Those base hits through the hole become doubles down the line, and the ball gets there much quicker. If anything, JP could move to 2B and add a SS- and we really don’t know how that would go until we see it.
Reyes and “at the right price” isn’t gonna happen. We’re looking at $ 20 mil plus per year for five years. The Red Sox are one team in the mix for him, plus the Mets, with the Angels and Dodgers also possible depending how their financial situations go. I’d love to have Reyes, or Rollins, but I just don’t see it happening.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Reyes at the right length might be a better way to put it
I’m scared of 7 and 8 year contracts. I know he’ll command top dollar, but perhaps we can get away with 5 years instead of 7 or 8.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
I left this comment in another fanpost, but it is probably more relevant here:
Can Michael Cuddyer play 2B or 3B? Fulltime, that is.
If so, he’d be another nice bat (albeit, right handed) to put into the 2012 Tiger lineup. And at 32, he would only be expected to hold down the fort (at either position) for a year or two until a younger, and more permanent, option could be found.
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I don't know how I feel about this.
He’s played a combined 250 career games at 2nd and 3rd, but would be a heck of a bat to add to this lineup.
Cuddyer is more likely a replacement for Delmon than an infielder
17 games, 140 innings at 2B this year as the Twinkies played musical chairs at that position. Just 8 innings total the two previous seasons there, and a UZR/ 150 in the range of Raburn.
No games at 3B this past season as they went with Valencia, just 100 innings last year and nothing else since 2005. Not enough to rule 3B out, but a very uncertain gamble at best.
I think the Tigers have/ will cast their lot in the outfield with Delmon and hope that Boesch and/ or Raburn step up with a consistent season. I’m still concerned about BB. One of the consequences of his injury is that we never got to see if he’d snap out of the second half blues that had started up again in a major way before he went on the DL. He could be our No. 3 hitter, a lefty bat in the heart of the lineup and a stud hitter, or he could be a bust. Josh Hamilton or Josh Anderson. We can’t really count on his production, which was awesome and a big part of the early success this year, but you also don’t want to block him with a Cuddyer, IMO.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I would love Cuddyer
on our roster. Above average hitter (career wRC+ of 111). Has over 1600 innings over experience at 1st base, so he could easily give Miggy a blow for a game if he ever needed it. Has over 1800 innings career between 3rd and 2nd base. Not great defensively there, but it wouldn’t really hurt you too bad if he’s just a fill-in for those spots on occasion. Best part is we’d have a right fielder who rates as a good arm in right (+8.9 runs for his career), though his range is poor in the outfield, just like the infield. Not like we had good range in RF anyways, though.
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by Griffin Fraley on Oct 19, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Add speed to the line-up is good thing
Tigers hit 13 home runs in the post season and I heard on the radio that 11 of them were solo shots. If true, what does that tell you? We need as many players on base for our home runs. J Reyes should help plus be a base stealing threat. For a lot of pitchers that prefer to pitch from the wild -up than from the stretch position. JP does have the hands to play 3B. We are gambling with his range at ss.
you talk about speed, but then more players on base
speed is one thing and OBP is another.
And as TD mentioned above… Peralta has played 3rd before and wasn’t that great at it. Dude was an all-star shortstop last year. I’d like to add Reyes and find a way to make it work… but I’m a realist and don’t see it happening
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What exactly was Peralta range?
He was an allstar because of his bat and made few errors. Reyes on OBP is better than Jackson. I talking about Tigers taking the next step. I know we have less than a 15% of landing Reyes.
I don't think we can realistically call Peralta an all-star SS
First, he squeaked his way in last year based on Jeter’s “injury”. He wasn’t voted in or picked as an initial reserve. Further, I think we can agree that last year was probably more than we can expect again. I won’t call it a career year, but if you did, I wouldn’t argue. He’s never hit for much average or had a good OBP. We can much more realistically expect .260 AVG and .320 OBP. It’s probably sufficient on this team, but I don’t think you pass on Reyes because we have Peralta.
Don’t get me wrong. There may be lots of reasons to pass on Reyes. Heck, there might be 140 million of them. Whether we pursue him or not should probably be based on whether we think his contract will be worth it to the team for the next 5-7 years. I don’t think having Peralta on the hook this season for 6M should be a substantial consideration at all.
Personally, I think Peralta would be more than adequate at 2B if we’re looking to move him around. If Peralta were to have a decent season at 2B, we have a nice option on him for 2013. If he struggles at 2B and/or 3B next year, we resume our search on the market or the farm.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Jhonny may not of been voted an All-Star
but he was the best All-Around SS in the AL this season.
1st in AVG
4th in OBP
2nd in SLG
1st in OPS
3rd in HR
2nd in RBI
3rd in UZR/150
2nd in RZR
2nd in FPCT
Here’s a scary thought, what Peralta only gets better? If this was just the beginning of multiple great seasons. He’s changed a lot since coming Detroit. Most of the improvements are the obvious, but the not so obvious is, for one, that his strikeout rate is significantly lower since becoming a Tiger. Also his defense has improved tremendously, thanks to his work with our infield coaching guru Rafael Belliard.
I think if we keep this guy happy, he’ll keep challenging himself to improve. That means he’s our starting shortstop for foreseeable future. Respect and Confidence sometimes goes a long way. We should thank Leyland for giving him that.
by Keith-Allen on Oct 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He had one of the best wOBA's in baseball at shortstop
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by David Tokarz on Oct 20, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you expect it next year as well?
If so, he’s an all-star shortstop. If not, he had a good year.
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I don't know how fair that is to say
very few players can be penciled in to an ASG year in and year out. Jhonny was an all-star SS for us this year and you can’t take that away from him. Looking to replace a guy who just had an all-star caliber year is a pretty big slap in the face.
Like you said above, I don’t think we’d pass on Reyes ONLY because we have Jhonny currently playing short… I just think the contract he’s seeking will be way too big.
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I can ask about the same questions about Reyes
Reyes has missed a total of 191 games in the last 3 seasons. He also had a career year at some levels that will probably never be repeated. He never hit over .300 before last season, so his .337 this season is probably an outlier. His HR power has also declined over the past 5 seasons. $20 Million a year should buy you more than hype.
Reyes is also a guy that sat himself after his 1st AB during the last game of the season so that he could preserve his batting title. That seems rather selfish to me.
You forgot that speed doesn't age well
There are lots of good arguments against Reyes.
I’m just saying that if we’re looking for reasons to not sign Reyes, I don’t think having Peralta is one of them.
I think Peralta had a great year. I don’t think he’ll do it again. He’s fine at SS, even if he returns to career norms.
Reyes would be a better player at short. If Peralta moved to 2B or 3B, he’d be better than what we have and we’re not likely to improve much at either position on the market unless we sign ARam.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Tigers need to get runners on base
I would target the following based on their ability to get on base:
Jamey Carroll (2b LAD) OBP = 0.359
Aramis Ramirez (3b ChC) OBP = 0.361
Jerry Hairston (2b / 3B) OBP = 0.344
Carroll and Hairston could be had more cheaply than Ramirez.
Carroll is an interesting name
He certainly looks like a guy that could probably play 2B and get on base. I have faith in a .355+ OBP based on recent performance. Unfortunately, he doesn’t bring much else to the table. No power, no speed, and not much defense. I wouldn’t put him too high on my list, but the guy has been 2+ WAR the last two years.
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I would float Jhonny's name at trade meetings see what we could get
2011 was career year that I do not think can be repeated. Why not see if his value is as high as I think it might be and see what we can get?
It wasn't a career year
it was inline with what he did from 2005 to 2008. It was more like a bounce back season.
He did slightly improve his career best in batting average though
His whiff rate went down as well. That career season, where he wins the triple crown, is still ahead of him. :-)
I don't think this is a crazy idea
It could be a Granderson-esque deal that nets us multiple parts and some top-flight talent in the infield. Might be helpful to at least try.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 25, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It also commits the Tigers to finding a servicable SS as well as 3B and 2B.
The coulds and shoulds are not something to rely upon. Never trade from a position of weakness unless you are certain to address more problems than you are creating.
Hearing offers is always something that should be done for due diligence but trading the incoming starting SS when you have nothing in the cupboard is not something that makes much sense.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
He wouldn't fetch much
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by David Tokarz on Oct 25, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Al Al not in the 18, so that makes 19 and only 6 spots
Perry, Schlereth, Pauley fill out bullpen. Then FA Mark Buehrle, Omar Infante, Pudge Rodriguez
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