My Case for Jose Reyes
Today's food for thought. --Rob
This is my case for why signing Jose Reyes should be the number 1 priority of the Tigers off season.
Many people when criticizing a possible Reyes signing point to the many free agents that have been payed big money last year that have not panned out: Carl Crawford and Jayson Werth come to mind. However, none of these players had the skill set quite like Reyes, none of them filled the needs of their teams quite like Reyes would for the Tigers.
Signing Reyes would fill the three biggest needs for the Tigers: a stable 2nd baseman (move Peralta to 2nd), more speed, as well as a leadoff man that pitchers fear and can be a destructive force on the bases. The Tigers went through 5 second basemen last year and landed on Santiago at the end of the season. Santiago is a good 2nd baseman, but for a championship caliber team, he is a platoon player at best. Look at the other big 3 in the American league, Yankees, Rangers, and Red Sox. Detroit is badly out matched against them when it comes to their second basemen with Cano, Kinsler, and Pedroia. Those players are consistent, Santiago is streaky. Having Reyes in and moving Peralta to 2nd will fill that void, and produce a very solid middle defense, that I feel confident would match up against ANY team in the league. I actually really like Inge, and Kelly sharing the responsibilities at 3rd. Inge is a different hitter when he hits against lefties and Kelly is one of the most underrated hitters in the league in terms of his potential, that will make a great combo at 3rd until Castellanos gets called up.
With Reyes in the lineup, the Tigers would instantly become one of the most potent offenses instantly. I love Ajax's potential, but right now, as he showed in the playoffs, he's just not ready for the leadoff role. Take the pressure off of him and move him down in the lineup and he'll become one of the most dangerous 8th/9th hitters in the game. Reyes on the other hand is one of the most potent lead off bats in the game. There is a big reason the Mets fans love Reyes, he is a one man wrecking crew in many games. You could see it especially in the playoffs, the pitchers did not fear Ajax, at all. Reyes would bring an extra 50 points in batting average, as well as being a destructive force on the base paths that throws pitchers completely out of their rhythm. That would result in mistake pitches to the very dangerous hitters proceeding Reyes in the lineup.
1. Reyes SS
2. Boesch RF
3. Young LF
4. Cabrera 1B
5. Martinez DH
6. Avila C
7. Peralta 2B
8. Inge/Kelly 3B
9. Jackson CF
Put that lineup together with their rotation, and they are favorites to win the World Series in my mind.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Bless You Boys writing staff.
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Another thread about what the Tigers should do in the offseason?
Man…
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
I dunno
Ya the Red Sox, Yanks, and Rangers all have great second basemen, but Detroit got farther into the postseason than two of those three teams so that doesn’t make me think that is THE glaring weakness. A spot for improvement, sure, but the Tigers production from third base is well behind the league average so you could say that’s a more important position to improve.
But I just think Reyes is going to be too much money. I do think Reyes would be a great fit but they can’t spend Carl Crawford/Jayson Werth money to get him, and my bet is another team is willing to.
I'll repeat myself
I long for the fanpost that argues that we sign or trade for someone who has never made an All-Star game.
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Agreed
I would much rather see us swing some minor league pitching for young 3B with some upside. I don’t see any reason to go out of our way to push Peralta off of SS after a 5 win season. MCB mentioned a Todd Frason the other day and I like that. The Reds also have Juan Franciso. The mariners are another team with 2 young 3B in Seager and Liddi although they probably aren’t too interested in getting pitching in return. We need to be creative, not throw a pile of money at sexy free agents, signing Reyes would likely put us over 70 million on just 4 players.
We have a young 3b in the wings
Just saying if you’re going to trade for some young prospect, probably go for the 2b. But that also doesn’t stop the Tigers from having to find someone to improve that position next year
Yup
Though there are questions as to whether Castellanos can stay at 3B long term. He might be a right fielder.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 25, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Seager
actually is a 2B who was pushed out of the way by Ackley. All the guys I mentioned should be able to contribute in 2012, even the absolute best case scenario has Castellanos 2-3 years away, a lot can happen in that time.
I like the Seager idea...
He looks ready to help in 2012….not sure if we have what Seattle needs though. Do they need a catcher?
Frazier is another swing and miss guy with some pop…I’d rather go after contact/OBP with Seager, who has absolutely torn up the minors thus far.
Miguel Olivo was Seattle's 2011 starting catcher.
They need an upgrade.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
When I was doing draft preview a couple years ago
I shadow-drafted Seager. I believe my notes from then said he had utility upside. Not sure how much of that has changed.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 25, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a top ten prospect in their system prior to 2011...
Then he dropped this line in the high minors: .333/.399/.495
Granted it was PCL.
Remember though- minor league stats don't tell the full story
Even high minors stats- he was a good college player, so I’d expect him to do that. Looks like he’s a borderline starter from what I’m reading- and that his fate depends on whether the power develops and stays in the Majors.
I’d like him (again, I shadow-drafted the kid) but I dunno if SEA will deal him.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 25, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not commonplace to tear up the minors to that extent, is it?
I know the stats should be taken with a grain of salt though…it seems like sometimes those old scouting reports tend to stick with a guy longer than they should and sometimes they reveal concealed truth.
In any case, I think I’m officially on the A-Ram/2B rookie with upside bandwagon. This seems to make the most sense to me given the free agent and apparent trade options. It sounds like A-Ram might have some roots laid in Chicago that might make Detroit more attractive than some other places.
I wouldn’t be terribly disappointed either with a trustworthy veteran on a short contract that will almost surely help us win next year at 2B or 3B.
Was watching some game this past year
It wasn’t the Tigers … I think it was a Reds game.
Anywho, the annoucer was saying this year, there was the biggest desparity between AAA and MLB he had ever seen. Players that were ripping up AAA were not ready for and failing in MLB.
His reasons were that in the post ’roid era players were coming up earlier(because older players were breaking down earlier and creating open spots)and due to FAgent signings teams needed cheap talent more often. This created a talent vaccuum in AAA, and the better players were eating up the pitching in AAA.
When looking at Sizemore’s .400 BA and .500 OBP in Toledo, and struggling when he was in Detroit? There’s some proof right there, albeit small.
Huge numbers in the minors aren’t transferring to MLB with the usual 20% or so dropoff as they used to. Now, the dropoff is much larger.
For whatever reason?
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by Singledigit on Oct 26, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Detroit would have to trade more hitting to Seattle to get them to part with Seager.
Or take Chone Figgins off their hands. I don’t see the M’s trading him just yet. The Mariners offensive woes are quite plentiful and I don’t see Detroit’s available players matching up favorably with Seattle.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
I'd make a Chase Headley post
But I’m extraordinarily lazy
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by rock n rye on Oct 25, 2011 11:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
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by David Tokarz on Oct 25, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Freddy Garcia count?
I’d love to sign Freddy Garcia for 2-3M + incentives. He made two all-star games, but I think we can safely call him not-an-all-star-anymore.
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Okay, it's not a perfect set of requirements...
Freddy counts.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 25, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't we have him for like half a season?
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Michael Cuddyer.
Only one All-Star appearance in 11 years, and that was because the rest of the Twinkie roster was on the DL in 2011.
I’m equally lazy, so please don’t expect a significant fanpost outside of “The Tigers needs a full-time second baseman, and a fundamentally solid organization has had him play 2B in the past.” While I cannot speak intelligently about defensive ratings, I like the look of his 2011 slash line (.284/.346/.459) and would like to see him batting in the Tigers’ #2 spot in 2012.
The negatives? He’ll be 33 by Opening Day, he’ll attract interest from other deep-pocketed clubs, he’s right-handed, he’s only played 532 innings at 2B in 11 years, he is about as fast as every other 2011 Tiger not named Austin, and his last name is more difficult to spell that Rayburn…
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Two words:
Nick. Punto.
I mean, Ron Washington is so scared of this guy that he’s going to walk him. TWICE!
And Alexi Ogando is afraid of him stealing bases!
AND, he can play EVERY SINGLE POSITION!
It’s a WIN/WIN/WIN!!!
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Agreed with Reyes
The line-up looks great with Reyes and how often are the Tigers going to have the best pitcher and AL batting champ on the same team. This is something special. The defense should approve too. I like Raburn but not at 2B.Tigers had payroll up above 130 million before so why not one more time. One problem with a payroll at 130 million, Tigers will probably lose money.
does anyone remember what happened in 2007?
Yes, the lineup would look great with Reyes at the top. I wouldn’t mind going after him, but I don’t think we realistically will. after coming so close in 2006, DD went out and put together a lineup that everyone thought was going to dominate… only to miss the playoffs in 07 and do even worse in 08. adding Renteria, Sheffield and of course the Miggy/Willis trade had us as a pre-season World Series favorite and couldn’t even make the post season. Same goes for the Phillies and Red Sox this year. Both spent BIG money and we see how that worked for them.
it isn’t the big, top dollar guy via free agency or trade that’s going to make the difference next year. I’m thinking Dombrowski learned his lesson and will shy away from Reyes; that and the enormous price tag. I’d just like to see an upgrade at 3rd and a solid 7th inning arm. We need to find that guy who can really be depended on to transition the game from our starters to Benoit and Valverde.
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just for clarification
I kind of lumped 2 offseasons together in that first part. I probably could have been more clear with how I said that, but it doesn’t change the point I’m trying to make.
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I respectfully disagree,
The Red Sox had a championship caliber offense but the pitching depth was not there and they paid dearly for it down the stretch. Phillies pitching was there, but just barely lost in one of the greatest post season pitching performances of all time in Carpenters game 5 shutout.
Fixed it for ya....
1. Reyes SS
2. Boesch RF
3. Avila C
4. Cabrera 1B
5. Martinez DH
6. Peralta 2B
7. Young LF
8. Jackson CF
9. Inge/Kelly 3B
Exactly right
Avila makes a much better #3 than Young.
I like Young in the 3 spot
Young isn’t going to take a walk and with Cabrera behind him, pitchers aren’t going to give him one.
I don't
His history is not a guy that gets on base. Miggy is the best RBI man in the game. Putting hackers in front of him is a waste. The single best way for the Tigers to increase run production would be to put some high OBP guys in those top three slots in the order.
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by Tigerdog1 on Oct 25, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, but it depends on the #1 and 2 spots
If we continue to run out Jackson and somebody else at #2 in our lineup, both at .330 OBP or less, it might make sense to keep Young there because he will see pitches that might result in XBH or even HR.
If we can actually get some OBP from #1 and 2, we should certainly explore options that will get Miggy some men on base.
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That would merely compound the problem
either Avila or Boesch- when he was hitting, are far better options as the No. 3 hitter. Some combination of OBP and power is needed in the 3 slot. Delmon doesn’t have the numbers in either category for that role, despite a hot post season.
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I like Reyes, but we better be sure
It’s a pretty risky move. There’s not much chance of Reyes signing for less than 20M for 5 years. I think our payroll can do that, especially if Ilitch wants to increase payroll to 130M again.
However, it means that Cabrera, Verlander, VMart, and Reyes would all be locked in at pretty big paychecks for the next 3+ years. We’re talking 75-80M for four players. That’s a pretty huge chunk for anyone under 180M payroll. A major injury or general decline from any of those four would pretty well hinder the organization from addressing any needs through free agency. It’s also possible that we might not be able to afford arbitration raises to some of our younger players in 2014, 2015.
Like I said, I like Reyes and I think that it’s the move we should make if we’re looking to make a splash…but I can certainly see the arguments against it.
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I see what you are saying
But it was Illitch that said he is looking to make one big splash this year. If the team wants to sign another impact player there is none on the market that will fit this teams offensive needs like Reyes, and Comerica Park with its open space is catered to his style of play.
I just think if, as an owner you say you are going to go after another premium player, then there is noone better that fits the offensive needs than Reyes. If they are afraid of the risks (that come with any big signing) then don’t say that will be your intentions and keep trying to plug the 2nd base hole with marginal players.
I'll fully and whole-heatedly agree that Reyes is the most sensible big-splash
If Ilitch wants a really shiney new Christmas present, the best fit is Reyes. We already have 1B locked up, so Fielder and Pujols are non-factors. I think our SP is four-deep and the fifth could be found inexpensively or from within. There aren’t many other positions that even offer “big splash” free agents.
That being said, I have a fan-post to write on Freddy Garcia so Tokarz doesn’t flip out.
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To me
I you have to make a splash, Aramis presents a better fit than Reyes, we don’t have a 5 WAR 3B already
I hear what you're saying
We have this Peralta guy blocking Reyes and nobody is blocking Aramis. However, you’d have to look at a Reyes signing beyond 2012.
In 2013, Ramirez would be possibly begin blocking Castellanos for 2+ years. Reyes would fill a gaping hole in the organization at SS and leadoff hitter.
Plus, I have zero faith that Peralta will repeat his 2011 success. He’s more of a .260 / .320 guy than .300 / .350. I don’t have even a little bit of guilt in moving him to 3B or 2B.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
I see the deals beyond 2012, I just see them differently
I don’t think there is even a remote possibility that Castellanos can start 2013 in Detroit, even when he does get to Detroit there is no guarantee he will still be at the hot-corner.
Reyes is also going to be looking for a much longer deal than Aramis 7 years compared to 3-4. Reyes is considerably younger, but his skillset is incredibly speed dependent and his defense isn’t even good now.
I will take the chance that everything goes right for Castellanos and in 2014 he is blocked by an aging but productive Aramis and has to play LF, over having to deal with the husk of Jose Reyes over the lase 3 season of a 7 year deal.
To me, 6 - 7 years from Reyes is substantially longer than 3 - 4 from Ramirez
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Castellanos might not stick at 3B
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by David Tokarz on Oct 25, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
They're saying he's too big and will eventually get moved to 1B.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
I think corner OF is more likely given this organization
It also allows us to take advantage of his cannon.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 26, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Trying to buy a championship?
That’s something we shouldn’t ever try to do, because we can’t compete with the Yankees in payroll. We need to be a lot smarter than that. We need to stay away from extremely expensive Free Agents like Jose Reyes.
Reyes is not a catalyst like Miguel Cabrera or Albert Pujols. Reyes is a role player. He’s an over glorified role player. He’s merely a speedy singles hitter with some defensive flair. He’s not worth anywhere near the $140 Million price tag that’s he’s demanding. You’d be paying $40 Million for the player and $100 million for all the hype.
I’d rather gamble on Grady Sizemore, a guy with good power, speed, and defense. If he stays healthy, he’d be a great all around player without breaking the bank.
and if Cleveland picks ups Sizemore's options
then we should go after the next guy who fits our modest budget.
We already have enough outfielders
With Jackson being the future centerfilder, Boesch, and Young probably returning along with a handful of utility players that are up and coming that can play that role, we are pretty much set.
Another big reason that I forgot to mention in my original post is there is no foreseeable talent coming up in the Tigers farm system at shortstop. This will also act as a stop gap for that position until to be filled in the biggest void on the team.
We might be set in the outfield, but
we’re not contractually bound to Delmon Young at all. So we may go look at some of the better FA outfielders, such as Carlos Beltran, David DeJesus, Coco Crisp, or Michael Cuddyer, or guys like Nick Swisher/Grady Sizemore if their options aren’t picked up.
Reyes ain’t going to happen. There’s no point in arguing about it anymore either. So please don’t get your hopes up or get frustrated when we don’t get him. We got Peralta at SS, and he’s just 1 year older than Reyes. Everyone should be very happy to have him here. He was only an All-Star and had the best all around year of any shortstop in the AL.
not really arguing about it or getting my hopes up
just looking from some sensible conversation from other Tiger fans. Peralta was a great pick up, and if he could be alright as a 2nd baseman I think he’d be great there and solve our revolving door we’ve had since Polanco left. Him and Reyes would be the best middle infield in the business.
Thank you for making sense
Well, except for the Sizemore stuff. But hey, we seem to do well with Cleveland retreads.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 25, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
His back spasms scare me.
Grady is so injury prone he seems like too risky of an investment.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
That's the problem with Reyes too
Never know what injury is going to curtail his season. Big risk.
His market value is at an all-time low also
The best time to get him is while he’s on the cheap.
It doesn't not make sense
And I’d rather read Sizemore talk then Reyes talk.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 25, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Signing Sizemore makes a lot of sense
With Guillen gone, who else will play the DL position?
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 26, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Face it Rob,
no matter how much you and Kurt may want Scotty back, he’s gone;)
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by 77bestrookieclassever on Oct 27, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
FREE SCOTT SIZEMORE
Wait, what?
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by David Tokarz on Oct 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true
If we can get him for a bargain-basement price, there is really no downside and I would be for it. I’m afraid someone is going to overpay for him, though.
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"He's Merely A Speedy Singles Hitter"
Not to compare them, but Ty Cobb would’ve beat you senseless for that.
by metatron5369 on Oct 28, 2011 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Since the article written didn't mention salary or the implications of spend $20MM a year on a player who makes his living with his legs
The only conclusion I can make is that salary implications are thrown out the window. Cool!
If that’s the case, sign Reyes and CJ Wilson. Then, when CC opts out from under the Yankees? Sign him too.
Then … sign the 3 best relievers on the market.
Oh yeah, move Miguel back to third base and sign Albert the minute he walks from the Cardinals.
If all it takes is “signing” someone and then glowing about how they look in our lineup, I’m all in.
Justin can now let the fungus grow back on his shower shoes.
I was going off the Tigers saying they wanted "to make one big splash" this offseason
If that is the case, then my post is to argue that none of them make more sense than Reyes, imho.
Ilitch -
probably thinking this is his last best chance. The money just might be there for one big signing.
We need band aids
Not surgery. We were a decent relief pitcher from moving on this year. Look at what we’ve done for what we had. I think we need one infielder preferably a 2nd baseman. All we need is good defense hit maybe 10 or so homeruns at bat least 260 or so and be steady. Is this guy really that hard to find? Maybe, but I trust DD will do his best. We need a relief pitcher (right handed), a backup catcher, and a 2nd baseman. I dont think we have to break the bank to do it. We have room and options via players, trades, and money. Maybe not resign Santiego? Trade Perry, Rayburn, Inge, Dirks? (Inge would be tough with his contract). Or maybe a mediocre free agent. We dont need to break the bank, we havent even made a move yet for next year, and, I would think we are already favored to take the Central again (As of right now). I am not opposed to signing Reyes, but as has already been pointed out, that may be too many eggs in one basket. >
Trade Perry, "Rayburn", Inge, and Dirks...
Show me the GM that’s looking to add these guys and I’ll show you the next unemployed GM.
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You'd think a guy who has essentially been a scapegoat this season
Would at least have enough notoriety to make people spell his name correctly.
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We should get Placido
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by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Oct 25, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
agree
can we trade Ugueth Urbina for him again?
We can't trade our Shortstop of the Future!
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
by 13194013 on Oct 29, 2011 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Kelly is one of the most underrated hitters in the league in terms of his potential"
I’m not quite sure what you mean by this.
On Opening Day 2012, Don Kelly will be 32 years old. In 626 career plate appearances, he has hit .240/.285/.363 with an OPS+ of 74. He is not a good offensive player and at his age, I think he’s reached any potential he’s going to get to.
I was about to post an "In before Rogo" comment when I read that sentence.
Looks like I’m a few minutes late.
I see Kelly as a late bloomer and one of the under the radar players
He has a sweet swing, and really was starting to come into his own late in the season. I was at Oakland the game the Tigers won the Central Division. The blast he hit in that game left A’s fans around me wondering who it was. He was starting to come into his own in the later part of the season and had some great quality at bats in the playoffs.
I think given more consistent playing time you’ll see him become an impact player.
He's near the end of his career.
Put your romantic notions aside: Kelly is a versatile 25th roster member but he is never going to be a starting player. The myth of more at bats is something you should not subscribe to considering how many at bats Kelly has had at every level. Suddenly his bat is going to magically become better against the best pitching in the world?
No, I’m sorry but it sounds ridiculous and upon actual scrutiny, insanely far fetched.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
I wouldn't have him in there everyday
but having him hit against right handers and Inge against left handers I think would make a great duo to hold down third for a bottom of the lineup spot.
Not great
Perhaps “adequate” would be a better term.
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He's like the definition of "replacement level"
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The Legend of Don Kelly
The most versatile Tiger ever…Brandon Inge didn’t even pitch in a game!
I was a Tigers fan before it was cool.
All kidding aside
I like Don Kelly, he is a good guy, he had a great postseason, and I hope you are right that he comes around to be a great hitter (heck I would be ecstatic if he hit 0.250 – .270 with 10-20 HRs and 50-60 RBI’s), but I don’t see it. He is a good utility guy that can be a defensive replacement in the corner outfield , and spell guys in the infield during midseason. He is the 25th roster spot, but he is valuable in that he can play many positions and not cost you too much offensively or defensively over the everyday player.
I was a Tigers fan before it was cool.
I hope this is an ironic commentary on MLive, er... commenters
If not, I’m going to be very disappointed.
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I may be alone on this
But I’d love to take a fairly cheap flyer on Aaron Hill (his option will get declined, methinks). If someone can help him find his power, he’s a nice player to have at the plate and in the field. If not, Santiago can stopgap another year. Save that money and see what is available in a lefty starter in exchange for cash considerations and Erie flotsam.
Dombrowski said last year . . .
. . . that the Tigers could not carry more than 2 $20 million per year players. Threfore, no Reyes
I remember that
Ilitch saying he would like another impact bat is at odds with this. Somebody will be accurate and somebody will be wrong.
The only guy we should spend 20+ on in Reyes. If it’s anyone other than him, we would be much better-suited saving our pennies for 2012.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Questions, Questions
First, Jhonny Peralta has never played a game at second base in the majors, so I don’t think moving him to second is a good idea.
Everyone assumes that Ilitich will get this “big bat” through free agency, but I believe that the Tigers could do this through a trade. I say this because I don’t know if any of the free agents are a great fit. First, Reyes is a speed guy who usually has a hamstring injury or two over the course of a season. Second, whoever wins his services will have to pay for an unsustainable .337 AVG.
I wouldn’t mind one year of Aramis Ramirez, but only one year.
As for the reliever, I would love Detroit to sign Jonathan Broxton to a $2-3 mil. incentive-laden deal. LA will probably release him with Kenley Jansen emerging as the closer. If Broxton doesn’t regain his 09 form then Detroit has a decent 7th-8th inning guy. If Broxton does regain his form, then we could have a scary back of the bullpen.
Detroit Tigers: 2011 AL Central Champs
Broxton gets more than that
So does Aramis.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Which is why I don't think Aramis is a great fit for Detroit
However, I would like to go after Broxton, because on Opening Day 2012, Valverde will be 34, Benoit will be 34, and Broxton will be 27. Now for 2012, I am not saying anyone besides Valverde should close out games, but I believe Broxton could be a solid closer for 2013. Broxton needs to be worked back into the closers role, and I think he would be a good fit for Detroit’s 7th-8th inning role, and he could compete for the closers role in 2013
Detroit Tigers: 2011 AL Central Champs
David Wright
He has one (two) ($15MM 2012/ $16MM 2013 option) year(s) left, and the Mets are informally shopping him. His last two years haven’t been pretty and he can void the option if he chooses, so he might be had for relatively cheap. Not that we should necessarily, just that he’s an option. Ilitch likes his stars and Dombrowski likes to shatter the off-season with blockbuster trades.
One thing I’m sure of, Razor Ramon is gone. He’s going to be a starter somewhere, I feel it in my bones.
he won't come cheap, that's for sure
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Relatively being the key phrase
It all depends on the Mets financial status and who wants him (a lot of people).
I just think there are several factors that stunt his trade value.
by metatron5369 on Oct 26, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Hope the Reds decline on Brandon Phillips
and then swing for the fences on him.
But I think the Reds will keep him.
I think you're right
I would be terrible resource management to not exercise Phillips.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
they already said they were using the option
I wish people would give up on the Phillips dream. not gunna happen.
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It could happen- easily
most observers doubt that the Reds can extend him and keep Votto and all their other guys on board. They can retain one or two big contracts into their free agent years, but they’re limited in how many of those they can keep. A sign and trade is a real possibility there, and the trade won’t be for full value because he’s only got a year left and will be making $ 12 mil with that option. With such limited options for 2B, I could totally see DD pursuing that avenue.
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I just don't see it happening
Plus, I’d rather we concentrate on upgrading 3rd base over 2nd
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I don't think it matters, we need both
We need to improve defense, especially in the infield. We need to get guys on base in the top three spots in the order. There are no internal solutions at 3B or 2B. Gotta fill both.
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HE IS NOT COMMING HERE!
God when will this stop!?!?!? I’m actually happy about it. Not into moving Peralta, and his injuries worry me at that price. Ah…..rosterbating….
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"lets package Inge, Rayburn, and some AAA pitching..."
can’t wait for those to start.
Country Strong
100% STRIEBY
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by David Tokarz on Oct 26, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have a feeling that you're not going to enjoy the offseason
by Rob Rogacki on Oct 26, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He won't be the only one that's going to hate it.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 26, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I, for one, am going to embrace it
We’re finally reloading, not rebuilding. The core of this roster will be intact for a few seasons and, barring catastrophe, we should be favorites to win the AL Central for the foreseeable future. For once, these rumors aren’t about a roster overhaul, but rather suggestions to put this team over the hump. In offseasons past, I would have hated threads like these as well, but the success that the Tigers enjoyed in 2011 has me optimistic about 2012 no matter what happens in the next few months.
Oh, I plan on loving that part
I plan on hating the forty irrational plans that pop up daily in comments and fanposts.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 26, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I do that
But it gets exhausting.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 26, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, that's already started
somewhere around here. might not be in this thread, but I saw it in another FanPost
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Ok..
perhaps I was dreaming a little with this post or “rosterbaiting” as it was put (definitely stealing that phrase by the way). However, my main point or argument is that the Tigers are in a good spot with a young team that will only be getting better in the next few years. Pretty much all of their roster except for 2nd, they are well off, or at the very least adequate barring a few minor pickups.
With this situation, I just don’t see how it is unreasonable for a contending team that was on the brink of being in the World Series, that has an owner that is willing to add to his payroll, to not be in the middle of the teams pursuing the free agent that would have the biggest impact on their needs.
That is all.
It's the opportunity cost
There’s better ways for this team to spend $20MM a year.
Justin can now let the fungus grow back on his shower shoes.
Reyes' Attitude
Hey guys. I have been reading BYB for the last 3 years religiously and have never really felt the need to comment on something…until now.
No one has mentioned Mr. Reyes’ self-departure from the lineup in the last game of the season this year to seal up the NL batting title. Would he have done that if the Mets were contending for a pennant this year? I don’t know. But do we really want to introduce that type of self-absorption into the Tigers’ baseball culture? I know Leyland would never stand for such antics, but if Reyes did it once, that’s enough for me to say it’s in his blood to give up and quit again. That’s too much of a risk for $20M, in my book.
by TigersFanInAlabama on Oct 30, 2011 7:07 AM EDT reply actions
PS: Ty Cobb did much worse things to win the batting title a few times.
PPS: So have others.
PPPS: INTANGIBLES!
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
What Scoscia did with Weaver was far worse.
Home field advantage was at stake in the AL, and he pulled his pitcher and started a rookie against one of the teams competing for home field. That’s much closer to quitting.
"King of Minutiae"
I wouldn't say "mad"
but I’m not at all upset about pulling Reyes under the circumstances. If the Tigers were out of it, Leyland wouldn’t have sat Verlander down and started Below against a team that was playing for home field advantage.
And it was actually his normal four days rest. His previous start was on “short rest”.
"King of Minutiae"
"Would he have done that if the Mets were contending for a pennant this year?"
If the game mattered in any way whatsoever, then no. But it didn’t.
The only thing I really agree with in your post is your picture
The Reyes thing? Meh. But this:
Hey guys. I have been reading BYB for the last 3 years religiously and have never really felt the need to comment on something…until now.
We will change this over the offseason.

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