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Stars and Scrubs: High Minors Edition

Last season I took a monthly look at prospect performance in the minor leagues, pointing out noteworthy statistical performances, whether they were positive or negative. The goal was to look at prospects that might be doing well on the surface and to delve deeper to see how well they were truly doing. It was a lot of fun, and I'd like to revisit it for a season retrospective on some Tigers minor leaguers. This performance review will be split into two posts: one examining players in the high minors and one examining some in the low minors. 

What might I mean by stars and scrubs, you may be asking? A star is a player that puts up eyepopping statistics in the minor leagues. His scouting report might not be so good, but his performance is incredible and deserves attention. A scrub is a player whose performance looks horrible on paper. In some cases, that isn't such a horrible thing (Nick Castellanos had a scrub-caliber April but is still a top prospect). Either way, the performance merits looking at- often times to deliver a reality check. 

So who are this edition's three stars and three scrubs? The best of the high minors and the worst of the 40 man roster? You can find out after the jump!

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Star: Luis Marte, RHP

AA Erie: 53 IP, 1.70 ERA, 2.67 FIP, 33% K/PA, 8.8% BB/PA, 4% HR/Air

I normally despise relief prospects. Relievers are fungible commodities, and are generally hard to develop through just relief appearances. Most good relievers are failed starters; if you can't hack it in the rotation, you go to the 'pen where your stuff gets better. There's also a problem with paying a high price (either in money or in draft picks) for relief help; guys like Ryan Perry can be terrible and first round picks, while guys like Al Alburquerque can come out of nowhere and surprise. 

This gets me to Marte. Marte is a failed starter, moved to the bullpen because of injury problems and command issues. He has a plus curveball and a pretty darn good slider and fastball, though they're not quite plus. He'll also mix in a changeup every now and then. Marte had problems with command and home run rate until this year as well. But his numbers from Erie indicate that he's made some strides in these areas. If you're looking for another potential Alburquerque-level surprise when it comes to relief help, Marte could be it. He won't be as good considering his fastball sits in the low 90's, but he's got some potential.

Scrub: Ryan Strieby, 1B

AAA Toledo: 557 PA, .255/.341/.429, 30% K/PA, 10.8 BB/PA, .174 ISO

There was once a time when I was high on Ryan Strieby. Hitting .304/.425/.567 at AA Erie will get people excited. Unfortunately, wrist problems and issues with contact rate have derailed this once viable prospect. I like players that take walks, but a strikeout rate above 25% in the minor leagues is a pretty big red flag. Combine that with the fact that Strieby's persistent wrist issues have sapped what power he had in Erie, and Strieby's done. This is the part where Kurt will point out how right he was on Strieby. I have learned my lesson; don't overvalue sluggers in the high minors (paging Aaron Westlake...).

Star: Drew Smyly, LHP 

AA Erie: 45.2 IP, 1.18 ERA, 2.44 FIP, 29.8% K/PA, 8.4% BB/PA, 2% HR/Air

A+ Lakeland: 80.1 IP, 2.58 ERA, 2.53 FIP, 23.8% K/PA, 6.5% BB/PA, 1% HR/Air

A southpaw with a low 90's sinking fastball and solid curveball, changeup and cutter, Smyly is a finesse pitcher drafted in 2010 in the second round. His mechanics are decent, and he throws from a 3/4 arm angle which allows him to generate a few more ground balls than most pitchers.

However, we need to get something straight now. Drew Smyly is nowhere near as good as those eyepopping numbers, which compare to what Justin Verlander put up in 2005. Drew Smyly is not Justin Verlander. He doesn't have the power arsenal to be a dominant, shutdown ace. But he can be a very good fourth starter as soon as midseason next year. And if everything breaks right and Smyly's stuff takes a step forward, he might be able to take the role of a staff #3. Still, I'd like to see him repeat these numbers in AAA; if he does, he'll make me his biggest fan.

Scrub: Andy Oliver, LHP

AAA Toledo: 147 IP, 4.71 ERA, 4.33 FIP, 22.1% K/PA, 12.4% BB/PA, 6% HR/Air

Yowch. Just when I decide to get on the Andy Oliver bandwagon, the wheels fall off. Oliver's season wasn't horrible by any means, but it also wasn't good. Average doesn't get you promoted from the International league. Oliver took no steps forward in 2011, and by all accounts his command took a step backwards. The walk rate jumped from below 10% in April and May to around 12% in June, and it never went back down again.

The calls have begun to move Oliver to the 'pen, where he won't have to pitch so much and where his plus-plus fastball can really play up. He also has a good change and a slider, but the slider needs work and the changeup needs consistency. If I were the Tigers, I'd give Oliver one last shot in the rotation, but if the big-league club needs a late game power lefty with a fastball that sits in the mid-90's with movement, he'd be the first player I'd call. 

Star: Jacob Turner, RHP

AA Erie: 113.2 IP, 3.12 ERA, 3.90 FIP, 19.0% K/PA, 6.8% BB/PA, 5% HR/Air

I wavered on whether or not to include Turner on this list. He's Detroit's top prospect, yes. His numbers were very good for a 20 year old pitcher in the Eastern League, yes. But nothing in his line is particularly eyepopping. The FIP suggests he was getting lucky with his ERA and the strikeout rate is below 20%, which is a pretty handy brightline for determining strikeout potential.

That said, fans also need to consider the positive. And there is lots of positive. Turner is 20 years old and will compete for a rotation spot with the Tigers in Spring Training next year. He still has a good fastball that sits in the low to mid 90's, a good changeup to complement that fastball and a hammer curve that flashes plus-plus on occasion. He also has good command (though it could probably use work) and poise beyond his years. In short, don't give up on Jacob Turner, even if he has a rough year next year. He's gonna be a good one.

Scrub: Brayan Villareal, RHP

AAA Toledo: 66 IP, 5.05 ERA, 5.03 FIP, 13.8% K/PA, 10% BB/PA, 5% HR/Air

Villareal had a season to forget in 2011. After making the Tigers out of spring training, he was demoted in mid-May after spotty use in the bullpen. His season in Toledo was just as awful; the 'Hens tried stretching him back out in the rotation, but he imploded something fierce and went down with an injury in late summer. When he came out, he moved back to the bullpen. 

So what to make of Villareal? It would be easy to say that his problems were based on the injury, but to me what sticks out is the low strikeout rate. Villareal throws a fastball in the low to mid 90's with a pretty good slider and a decent changeup, so his stuff is pretty good. The problem is that he never really got the time to adjust to AAA or the majors; he was inconsistent because of lack of use in Detroit, and stretching him out in Toledo probably didn't help things. I still like him long term as a setup man or seventh inning guy. 

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Good news/bad news

95 wins and a Division title, always good news.

The bad news, it was a disappointing year organizationally for pitching. From the MLB roster where most didn’t progress as much as hoped. Porcello, Scherzer, Perry, Schlereth. To the minors. Oliver, Crosby, and even Turner to a lesser extent.

There are some ‘lesser’ prospects that had a seemingly nice year like Smyly and Marte. But the top level pitching talent in the entire organization didn’t take a step forward. Guys who were supposed to, and are still expected to be impactful MLB pitchers.

Justin can now let the fungus grow back on his shower shoes.

by Singledigit on Oct 31, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Keep Oliver in the rotation...

at least… for this coming year…

He really only has had consistency with his fastball in his first two (???) seasons. I’m not surprised that he has struggled with the consistency of his secondary stuff, as he really never had much of it to begin with… While his command issues raise some concerns, I’ll give him some leeway for at least this next year.
Still a fan of the big, power lefty.

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by DetroitTigersGeek on Oct 31, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Good article David.

I just don’t know how these minor league stats can help our pythag?

The more I keep reading about the Tigers Farm, the more I like it. They have some solid talent almost ready to roll into tue bigs, and there are a few names that are really high ceiling guys that could become some real big league talent. There may be more talent in the minors than we have given credit for.

God ain't got no use for a 180 lb bag of sugar.

by Siggzilla on Oct 31, 2011 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait until you see my top 30.

It’s bad. Really bad.

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by David Tokarz on Oct 31, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The major league ready talent they gve isn't anything to write home about

save turner. But the tigers are a young ball club, so minor league talent isn’t really needed for the next couple of seasons. I like what I see in our Low-a clubs. There may be some talent down there that is flying a little under the radar, which isn’t that bad because the team isn’t really looking to call anyone up, minus turner, castellanos, an maybe some pen help for the next 2 or 3 years. There is still plenty of time to see what develops in the A and AA clubs without fear of rushing up a young prospect.

God ain't got no use for a 180 lb bag of sugar.

by Siggzilla on Oct 31, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a lot in A and Hi A

"You, on the other hand, make Eeyore look like Rainbow Brite." -johnmoz

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by David Tokarz on Oct 31, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Despite the continual low ratings of our farm system

DD keeps coming up with the pieces to make deals for a Miguel Cabrera, and to a lesser extent for a Doug Fister. Meanwhile, players from our system like Avila, Porcello, and Boesch are useful and effective MLBers.

IMO, a system is best rated on their top 5 prospects. What and how the 20th or 30th prospect is rated is of little consequence. Especially for a team willing to spend a bit like the Tigers. Positions that are expected to be filled by the lower prospects can be had elsewhere.

How good are your top prospects? The true impact players? Are they good enough to be flipped for a Cabrera? Are they good enough to be at least MLB average or better?

The Dixon Machado’s matter little, when all is said and done.

Justin can now let the fungus grow back on his shower shoes.

by Singledigit on Oct 31, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the problem with that logic

What happens once Detroit promotes Turner, Oliver and Smyly? No good prospects can ascend to that level. We don’t have many blue-chippers, so we have to choose between bolstering with trade or promoting.

"You, on the other hand, make Eeyore look like Rainbow Brite." -johnmoz

"I think of you more as the blue book style essay of sports journalism."-Kurt Mensching

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by David Tokarz on Oct 31, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't know yet

We’ll jump off that bridge when we get there. But right now, we don’t know if any of Tigers drafted in this year and last will be considered impact candidates or not. Certainly there are some kids with the tools.

Meanwhile, Andrew Miller was rated very highly, as was Cameron Maybin. Neither has come close to the year Alex Avila had last year, and Alex wasn’t on anyones MiLB radar.

We don’t know what we’ve got yet. But again, I think our system gets under-rated by many because the 7th-15th players in our system aren’t “special” enough. But somehow they get traded for Doug Fister. And enough of them end up being Brennan Boesch or Alex Avila to make me consider our system isn’t rated properly.

Mind you, I’m not saying we have a system comparable to the Rays. That is obvious, ours is not as good. Nearly. But it IS better than most think. If for no other reason we’ve had impact pieces to trade, or impact graduates playing for the Tigers.

Justin can now let the fungus grow back on his shower shoes.

by Singledigit on Oct 31, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgot to add

Another reason our system gets rated so low? The Tigers bring ’em up fast. They learn in MLB. In ’09 and ’10, what would our system have been rated if players like Avila and Porcello had still been in the minors? For many other teams, they would have. You might even add in AJax for the ’10 season … he was 23.

How would the system look then?

I’m not sure some of these players(if not all)would have still been in the minors if they were with the Rays. Whether they should have been or not is a different arguement. But our system would have seriously been rated much higher with these three guys in it, instead of on the 25.

Justin can now let the fungus grow back on his shower shoes.

by Singledigit on Oct 31, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Avila was on my radar. :)

"You, on the other hand, make Eeyore look like Rainbow Brite." -johnmoz

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by David Tokarz on Nov 1, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually Maybin is turning into a very good player in SD with 4.7 WAR this past season..

He may actually be close to what we thought he was when he was traded and he’s going into his age 25 season.

I guess the lesson is… patience with young prospects. Maybe it’ll take another four years for Turner (or Porcello) to be a great player.

by thepartybird on Nov 2, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

What would be your take on Casey Crosby?

by jumpsuit on Oct 31, 2011 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Meh

Control means he’s going to the ‘pen, it’s just a matter of when.

"You, on the other hand, make Eeyore look like Rainbow Brite." -johnmoz

"I think of you more as the blue book style essay of sports journalism."-Kurt Mensching

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by David Tokarz on Oct 31, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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