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Tigers keep proving doubters wrong as they beat Yankees to advance to the ALCS

Jim Leyland: omniscient or dumb luck?

That's the question you have to ask yourself this morning.

The Tigers manager opened himself to criticism from all directions with the decisions he made in the past 48 hours. Justin Verlander wouldn't make an appearance in Game 5, no matter what. Don Kelly would start at third base and bat second. 

Fans and media could only flabbergast. "Sudden-death game, and the Tigers are keeping Verlander on the shelf?!"

"Don FREAKING Kelly is starting?!" 

"What is he bringing Joaquin Benoit back out in the eighth for. Is Leyland even watching this game?!"

Don Kelly hit a home run in the first inning. He made defensive plays at both third base early in the game and in right field later.

Justin Verlander watched the game from the dugout, but he'll be on the mound in Game 1 of the ALCS. Max Scherzer pitched 1 1/3 in relief of Doug Fister.

And Joaquin Benoit, looking rattled and off his game after a lengthy couple of outs in the seventh inning, came out in the eighth as a new player. He didn't get through the Yankees in 1-2-3 fashion, but a scoreless eighth was all that was asked of him and he delivered.

Leyland, so often criticized by the fans and media throughout his tenure in Detroit, just guided his team through the first round of the playoffs yet again. Remember Alexis Gomez? Leyland's decisions seem strange, but they have a strange way of working out for him.

 Redemption.

Star-divide

But it wasn't only redemption for Leyland.

It was redemption for Don Kelly, another oft-questioned member of the team. During the offseason, if you polled 100 Tigers fans on whether Kelly would be with the team for the entire 2011 season most, would say no. A few would flat out laugh at you. If you then asked them if they thought Kelly would become a playoff hero, even the believers would laugh at you for the preposterous query.

Donnie Kelly, playoff hero? Ha!

This is a player who washed out of both the Pittsburgh Pirates' and Arizona Diamondbacks systems. This is a guy who batted .245 in 2011, or just 1 hit in 1000 at-bats better than he batted in 2010. His career on-base percentage is a scant .285.

Yet here there was, starting for the Detroit Tigers in the deciding playoff game, stepping to the plate at Yankee Stadium in the Bronx. A career. 648 OPS. Fans wondered why he was still on the team, let alone the playoff roster. Yet  he got a hit in every single playoff game he appeared in. Preposterous enough of an idea as that was,  he got the biggest hit of his life on Thursday: A home run that sailed over the right field wall to give his team a 1-0 lead.

A writer of a Disney movie couldn't sell that script.

The 31-year-old has the highlight of his life. That is, unless there's a better one coming. Check with Jim Leyland on that one.

And then we have Delmon Young, Kelly's polar opposite in so many ways.

Kelly was drafted in the 8th round of the 2001 draft, 237th overall. Young was drafted in the first round of the 2003 draft, first overall. Kelly had to earn everything he got, and stuck around only because of his versatility. Young was given every chance to succeed, even as he showed just how bad a left fielder could be.

Young was traded by the Rays after just one full season in the major leagues. Then he was given away by the Minnesota Twins in August. From the team's perspective, he wasn't a bust, but he just wasn't what they hoped he'd be. From the fans' perspective, Young couldn't get out of his Twins jersey fast enough.

The Tigers were happy to take him off their hands. Detroit fans were happy to welcome him with open arms.

Young hit a solo home run in the first inning, too, his third homer of the series. Three home runs in a single playoff series was  "the most ever by a Tigers player in a single post-season series," the Tigers report. He's batting .316 in the post season. His on-base percentage is .381.

Redemption.

The Tigers advanced to the ALCS. Picked by few writers to win their division -- many to finish no higher than third place -- and then again treated again by many as if they were simply the Yankees' appetizer, Detroit is still playing games that count. 

The dream is not met yet. There are eight wins to go before we can say it is. And maybe some people out there don't want believe in them quite yet.

That's fine.

This team has a wonderful knack at proving doubters wrong.

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That was beautiful, Man

HUGS FOR EVERYONE

sarcastic jinxing ass

by The Eric on Oct 7, 2011 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

What a thrilling, gutsy win. I was at a friends house, just 2 of us, watching the game, not drinking lol…it made for one nerve-wracking night. When Rodriguez struck out to end the game, we both screamed so loud his cat freaked and flew into the kitchen. WE ARE ONTO THE ALCS!!! GOOOO TIGERS!!!! And as a bonus, no more pro-yankee, all-around-suck tbs announcers!!! Hope the Fox crew is better lol. Great, great night in the motor city, throughout Michigan, and for Tigers fans everywhere. Bring on Texas!

by tigers84roar06 on Oct 7, 2011 1:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Now that's writing.

Great job Kurt. Such a satisfying victory from so many perspectives.

by madpoopz on Oct 7, 2011 1:17 AM EDT reply actions  

In regards to Don Kelly:

Mark Lemke 1991 World Series. Playoff heroes are not always the big names. Mark Lemke, all 35 pounds of him for 2nd base with the Braves in the 90s and he was a machine in the post season. Never doubt anyone at this time of the year, those role players end up being legends.

At the beginning of the season, I had the Tigers pegged 3rd in the division. Even at the all-star break I still had them at 2. It feels good to be wrong, it feels good for them to have redemption.

I hate Jonathon Ericsson.

by Brion on Oct 7, 2011 1:20 AM EDT reply actions  

baseball is a beautiful thing.

I hadn’t had time to sit and watch or listen to baseball all season. Finally tonight, I opened up my web browser, turned on Gameday, opened up the gamethread, and turned on Dan and Jim. It was an awesome experience. I was reminded of the rollercoaster of emotions that baseball can bring. Love, hate, fear…I felt them all tonight. I enjoyed them all. Tonight is a night worth remembering on so many different accounts. The rise of the roll players, the awesome pitching, watching A-Rod flail around like a little bitch. So awesome, so worth it, despite my heart having several attacks.

by madpoopz on Oct 7, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Screw all doubters

I have a tee-shirt and a pie chart that negates all arguements.

Oh, and the Tigers are playing for the ALCS. Therefor, making my tee-shirts and pie chart pie charts irrelevant. Actions speak louder that words.

F@#k the yankees.

God ain't got no use for a 180 lb bag of sugar.

by Siggzilla on Oct 7, 2011 1:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I must say Jim Leyland pulled an Alexis Gomez.

In a Tiger fan's world, the Tigers go 162-0 and the White Sox go 0-162.

by Boeschlander on Oct 7, 2011 1:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Kurt, you know of a guy named George Cantor?

He wrote books about the Tigers, including a whole novel on the 1984 season. This read reminded me a lot of him.

In a Tiger fan's world, the Tigers go 162-0 and the White Sox go 0-162.

by Boeschlander on Oct 7, 2011 1:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Holy crap what a game

Just finally got home and watched the game tonight. Wife’s a little pissed off…but she’ll get over it. :)

Don't Panic!

by 42jeff on Oct 7, 2011 1:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Also....does anybody know how to create a gif

from a 3gp file? I captured an awesome picture of a frantic Yankees fan off the broadcast about in tears and …we…I just want to save it for posterity.

Don't Panic!

by 42jeff on Oct 7, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I use GIF Movie Gear

GIF Movie Gear

I think you’ll have to convert the 3gp to avi first though. Good luck!

by Astrodawg on Oct 7, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Got it installed but...

…it’s looking for an mp43 codec. Installed it still for no joy.

Either way…this kid’s panicked look just cracks me up.

That and the clip of yet another O rod strikeout is priceless

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Wu3hqUZc-YYxuviMlsHVJ_yzJg0t3TygL0qN4AUIFOU?feat=directlink

Don't Panic!

by 42jeff on Oct 7, 2011 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zamzar

Check out Zamzar.com, they’ll convert your 3gp to avi.

by duaneste on Oct 7, 2011 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rangers fan here

Congratulations on beating the Yankees. It’s always fun to watch the Yankees lose, and it was an awesome game. Good luck guys. Here’s to an awesome ALCS.

lol.. man... dont get too drunk... but dont get not drunk enough that its rape
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 29, 2011 6:44 PM CDT

by Travis93 on Oct 7, 2011 2:03 AM EDT reply actions  

We look forward to it :D

In a Tiger fan's world, the Tigers go 162-0 and the White Sox go 0-162.

by Boeschlander on Oct 7, 2011 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like the playoff beard is here to stay!

Maybe I should post pictures of its progress.

"trout jefferson is using multiple numbers and no swears. I barely recognize you man." - Kurt Mensching

by Trout Jefferson on Oct 7, 2011 2:25 AM EDT reply actions  

oh....I'll be here.

And I haven’t shaved.

by playoffbeard on Oct 7, 2011 4:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I've got one going too

not that the gf is too impressed, but I told her “this isn’t about you”

by Arvay7 on Oct 7, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fister, Scherzer, Benoit, and Valverde

Great job by Leyland to set that up.

When Benoit walked Teixeira with bases loaded, that was actually one of the better things that could of happened. He avoided giving Teix anything good to hit. That’s what good pitchers do.

by Keith-Allen on Oct 7, 2011 2:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I have to admit...

I kept hoping we weren’t all gonna regret that he didn’t go to Phil Coke in the seventh against the two lefties, Granderson and Cano, but I give him credit, he had a formula that pretty much worked all year — and he stuck with it.

Benoit made so many big, pressure pitches, and PapaG was just freakin’ lights out in the bottom of the ninth.

Bury my heart at Michigan & Trumbull...

by WestWing on Oct 7, 2011 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

good article Kurt

Is Scherzer good to go for Sunday, or will it be Porcello?

by Dergunna Wavimin on Oct 7, 2011 4:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Max threw just 32 pitches

That’s nothing more than a normal side session. He should be ready to go Sunday.

by Keith-Allen on Oct 7, 2011 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am pretty sure MAx and Fister for Game 3 and 4 at home.

Leyland is old school. He will not let Scherzer pitch on sunday. Look what happened to CC

by spartynation on Oct 7, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Look for Porcello in game 2

by brywalker on Oct 7, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't felt this good in so long.

Partially due to the celebratory whiskey….but mostly because of these Tigers that have done what I thought was almost impossible.

We wrecked the Yankees in the Bronx in a deciding game. This moment is one I’ll tell my grandkids about.

by playoffbeard on Oct 7, 2011 4:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

This game was more stressful than Game 163

Seeing them take an early lead and then spend the entire game holding on to the precipice desperately for dear life. YIKES!

I don’t even know what I was saying on twitter because I was forcing myself to tweet anything just so I had to uncross my fingers. I know from experience keeping my fingers crossed for three straight hours will make them useless for work the next day and I need them.

WHAT A GAME. WOW.

Random nonsense at @Baroque97

"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)

by Baroque on Oct 7, 2011 6:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Congratulations Tigers

I have to say that you guys have impressed me this year, and you continue to do so. Excellent game last night, excellent character shown by your team after being blown out in Game 4.

This series bears a similarity to the 1960 World Series, when the Yankees crushed Pittsburgh three times, but the Pirates won four close games — and the championship.

Congratulations Tigers, from an Indians’ fan and blogger.

by AncientMariner on Oct 7, 2011 6:50 AM EDT reply actions  

TBS

Dont you think that TBS was all for the Yankees?
I kept wishing that Smoltz would shut the H*** up.
Finally I turned the sound off for the ninth.
YEA!!!!

by brywalker on Oct 7, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was telling stupid coworkers all day yesterday

That this team just does not quit. They figured it would be a blowout loss just like game 4. #morons #gloating

Random nonsense at @Baroque97

"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)

by Baroque on Oct 7, 2011 6:59 AM EDT reply actions  

What a "fun" game

I haven’t had that much emotional unrest during a game since #163 in ’09. There were a lot of things that could have gone differently and resulted in a loss, but things went out way. I was impressed with the resolve of the pitching staff when they were in pressure situations. I was also impressed that Leyland thought to bring in Scherzer. This was, in my opinion, one of the best moves of the series. When you think about it, it makes perfect sense. He has pitched from the ’pen before, he had a great game against the Yanks in #2, he was rested and needed some side work anyhow. I felt totally in control of that game while Scherzer was in there (it was the only time all night to be honest).

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Oct 7, 2011 7:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Great article Kurt - It sums up what I was thinking at 2:00 am

As one of those guys that has been a critic of ole Crusty, I finally get it. He understands the importance of baseball in Detroit, and like Joe Madden, he understands his players. He knows how to keep things loose and he knows which buttons to push this year.

He knows how to WIN

I shouldn’t have questioned Mayo Smith in 68
I shouldn’t have questioned Sparky Anderson in 84
And I shouldn’t question Jim Leyland in 2011

Last night was a blast! Now let’s go to Texas and take care of business there!

by Jim Bunn on Oct 7, 2011 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I woke up at 3:30 a.m. and had to convince myself that the Tigers won game 5 and I did not just dream it before I could fall back asleep.

"But the point is, finger-pointing is just what sports fans do when something doesn't go right." -- Kurt Mensching

by RealityIsOptionable on Oct 7, 2011 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Thank you

This is all going to be tongue and cheek, but I would personally like to thank myself for a couple of reasons.
1.) I believe that Jim heard my interview with Dan Dickerson to start Don Kelly (I did call it)
2.) For me not wearing any Detroit Tigers Gear! What?!?!?!? did I just say that? Yes its true, I will not wear any Detroit Tigers gear on game day because just like in 06 the DAMN TIGERS couldnt win with me wearing it, so just like in ‘06 I took the gear off and it will remain off on NON GAME DAY’s because the tigers are now 3-0 with me not WEARING IT. Love the article

by CaseyFord on Oct 7, 2011 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

What took you so long

You lose the first game with gear on, win the next two w/o gear and you suddenly go back to gear for game 4?!?!? Why would you do that to us?! You probably killed 10% of our over 80 fan base by making us play a Game 5.

Like Crash Davis said, ‘you never f*ck with a winning streak’

Baseball is like a poker game, nobody wants to quit when he's losing: nobody wants you to quit when you're ahead. ~Jackie Robinson

by LittleLeagueTiger on Oct 7, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved Potatoes interview in the lockerroom

With everybody dousing him with champagne and then the reporter finally getting doused as well.

Don't Panic!

by 42jeff on Oct 7, 2011 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Rec'd

I would’ve been cheering the Twins for this one, without a doubt. Even though 163 happened. Jerks. But still…

by Oberon on Oct 7, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

No. 163 never happened.

/river in Egypt

"Virtually all tactical ploys—the sacrifice bunt, the stolen base, the hit-and-run—operate on average to reduce run scoring." -- Eric Walker

by johnmoz on Oct 7, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Curtis Granderson!

Or Grandy man as ur new Yankee fans call you. Go Home and watch the Tigers in the playoffs!

by spartynation on Oct 7, 2011 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

That game was torture

much like Game 163 was. This time it ended the right way. Major kudos to Fister, Scherzer Benoit and Valverde. That game could have gone bad at so many points but the Tiger pitchers didn’t let it happen. Will Benoit be able to go in Game 1 should we need him?

May God bless Jim Leyland. I will question his moves again, but he’s proved he’s the right guy to make the decisions, not me.

Thank you Tigers, and thank you Kurt for a great piece.

by MikeGP on Oct 7, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm guessing Benoit can pitch the 8th of game 1

He’s got the day off today and is pretty used to working every other day. That is, of course, if that flesh-eating bacteria on his face doesn’t consume him first.

I don’t think there’s any chance of seeing him before the 8th, though.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Oct 7, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

seriously, the national media sucks

I’m sick of hearing about how the Yankees lost and the Yankees offseason questions. Give us a little credit, will ya?

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by tigers22 on Oct 7, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Right?

For every article about the Tigers, there are twenty about the Yankees.

Remove Yankee Doodle’s dandy from your mouth, ESPN.

by Oberon on Oct 7, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not going to happen dude.

They blew the Yankees even during the world series last year. And then after the world series was over I was watching something (can’t remember what) but they took a poll on “who will win the world series next year?”. I’m sure you can guess the answer. They just kind of brushed off the Giants and Rangers. Makes it all the more fun watching that team get bounced from the playoffs. So congrats to you on that.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Oct 7, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Turning off Sports Center

It’s all about the “Yankee collapse” and not the great night of work by Fister, or Benoit battling through a rough inning, or Don Kelly, or any of that, I’m glad we’re well shot of this horrible team.

by Wadeledge on Oct 7, 2011 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

its OK

ESPN 2 has been talking about the NFL for 15 minutes

by Kurt Mensching on Oct 7, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

not better than the Yankees?

uhhh, yeah… I think we are. Seeing as how we’re still playing and they aren’t.

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by tigers22 on Oct 7, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just wait

I am sure there is another “I never blame the umps, but we lost because of the strikezone” article coming

by rif23 on Oct 7, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

what a dumb post.

Their best pitcher gave up the game winning run. From what I recall, Jeter could’ve advanced to third at one point in the game but didn’t. How big was that play?

by madpoopz on Oct 7, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was on Posada's single

 That they held O Rod up at third. The commentators yapped about it for a bit, but some post gama analysis showed he probably would’ve been out if he did.

Don't Panic!

by 42jeff on Oct 7, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't remember what inning it was...

but Jeter was on first, someone smoked a ball and it had to be chased down, and Jeter merely went to second. Dan and Jim seemed to think he could’ve easily made it to 3rd.

by madpoopz on Oct 7, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no issue saying the Yankees are better than us.

They probably are. But guess what, I don’t give two shits. What’s important is who wins the World Series, and it ain’t gonna be them. Nobody will ever remember the 2011 Yankees.

by rcpratt on Oct 7, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

They're not. They do not have a good rotation.

They really got away with Burnett in game one. The Tigers let him off the hook too easily.

I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

by Tigerdog1 on Oct 7, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed..The Yanks were not a complete team

I think Texas is actually a much better team than the Yanks. All the thunder of the Yankees lineup, but some actual pitching as well.

To be honest, I don’t think we played very well in the ALDS. Verlander had about 3 of 9 innings where he wasn’t sharp (that’s abnormal). Fister got worked harder by the Yankees than I’ve seen him get worked (or expect him to get worked by Texas). The bullpen was pretty good when it needed to be, but Alburquerque and Coke struggled. The offense wasn’t strong, outside of a Young and some part-timers (Maggs, Inge, Kelly). Cabrera didn’t do much damage (perhaps because of 5BB) Avila, Jackson, Betetmit, and Peralta were all non-existent

Our offense will need to improve to beat Texas, but I think that’s probable.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Oct 7, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with your agree

It’s hard to find a weakness with Texas, to be honest. But considering they are lefty-heavy in theor rotation, it should benefit us somewhat.

Miggy really didn’t hit well this series, and when it started, I didn’t think they could beat the Yankees this series unless he did. VMart was allright, but Avila did nothin’. Hopefully, that turns around this series.

ANy of you think AlAl is just more focused when he starts an inning? I don’t know if it was that fact, the playoff pressure, his health or lack of work the past few weeks, but that was not the same guy we saw most of the season. We’ll need him this series to get thru the 6th and 7th.

"i think it will be mostly feast the rest of the year,"

by Honeyman on Oct 7, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

These were two incredibly close teams

Look – if it rained a little more/less one summer where the bat he used to hit that fly ball and the hit carried a touch more, if the wind blew just a tiny bit harder at that exact moment, the game is tied. Conversely, if Austin catches one of those balls that carried in Game 4, we may not even be at a Game 5.

Unlike a lot of sports baseball has a lot of natural variability that pulls all teams back towards the mean. What I saw last night were two VERY close teams that went 5 games to decide a winner. Over 162 games, the Yankees proved they had the better team with the better record.

However, the Tigers improved their team significantly over the course of this season while the Yanks stood pat.

I’m stoked that we won. But if we lost that game last night by one run instead of winning it, we should have the same perspective. Sadly, I’d probably be bitching about something Leyland or Inge did/didn’t do instead of just accepting the fact that these are two very good teams and a good part of it comes down to randomness.

Case in point, I dare anyone to hit a ball four feet foul like Avila did last night, only to have it spin back into fair territory and hit the base. Alex couldn’t do that again in a thousand attempts. It’s just the way the ball bounces. Yesterday, it bounced our way. I’m trying to keep that perspective headed into the Texas series, but will probably fail.

by 84tigers on Oct 7, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Jeter had hit the ball just five feet farther

Kelly would have leaped up and caught it!

I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

by Tigerdog1 on Oct 7, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

As I said in the recap, in a stadium with fences deeper than a Little League park...

Jeter’s 295 ft fly ball is nothing more than a lazy can of corn.

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by BigAl on Oct 7, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I COMMENTED ON THIS: "Judge on 162 Games, Not 5 Feet"

went to pinstripe alley alley to represent. i couldn’t help myself. i kept it civil but yankee fans are such sore losers that i HAD TO post something in response…

by situationalbuntingapologist on Oct 7, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

good point.

i’m not rubbing salt in anyone’s wounds, but to lose and say you were the better team is disrespectful. no yankee player would say that. girardi would never say that. they yankees are a great team and i have the utmost respect for their players. it was a toss-up series… but many of their fans and the national media are in denial and focusing on them losing… not us winning.

by situationalbuntingapologist on Oct 7, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that many doubters

I know it may feel like the media was expecting the Yankees to win, but before the series started, 13 of the 25 ESPN baseball contributors picked the Tigers to win the series. Out of those 13, seven of them had the Tigers beating whoever won the Rangers-Rays series, so I don’t think there’s a tremendous amount of doubt about the Tigers.

The game was a lot of fun to watch. All things considered, that was probably Valverde’s best save of the season. One-run game, higher stakes than normal, and he sets down Granderson, Cano, and Rodriguez in order.

I couldn’t believe that Cano’s broken-bat fly ball made it to mid-center field. Good thing that he didn’t connect more solidly…

by mparks on Oct 7, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

FWIW, both Eckersley and Ripken picked the Tigers to win last night on TBS pregame

So not all of the network was a Yankee-fellating pile of suck.

That said, I hope whomever was in charge of the strike zone tracker gets it shoved up their ass, sideways. I wouldn’t have minded it so much if it WASN’T ALWAYS ON THE FRICKING SCREEN.

"Virtually all tactical ploys—the sacrifice bunt, the stolen base, the hit-and-run—operate on average to reduce run scoring." -- Eric Walker

by johnmoz on Oct 7, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah that pitch tracker is a freaking joke

And Ripken is the only guy I like out of everyone on the TBS coverage

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by tigers22 on Oct 7, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let the national media talk

The bottom line is that the Tigers are still playing baseball. That’s enough for me.

by Rob Rogacki on Oct 7, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I wonder how they will fit AL East talk into the ALCS?

No Yankees, no Sawx, no Rays…what to do? We may begin to hear about a team from some other division.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Oct 7, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your team from some other division...

…is probably in the NFC East. No Yankees narrative means it’s time to go 24-hour news cycle on the Eagles mess and Peyton (sp?) Manning’s stem cell filled neck.

Guillen says‚ "¿Que?"

by 51hr_slurpee on Oct 7, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

This game reminded me of Mike Downey's lede from the 10/15/84 Free Press

“They won it, just the way everybody in Detroit thought they would. They won it, in a way nobody thought they could.”

(And no, that’s not from memory. I have a Gibby-autographed copy of that front page hanging in my office at work.)

Who beats the Yankees 3-2 at Yankee Stadium? Who holds that lineup hitless with runners in scoring position? Who lets the Yankees load the bases twice with one out and gets away with a single run? I expected this game to be a slugfest, and I was terribly, terribly wrong.1

Respect to Leyland, who proved that less can be more with managing — especially when the other guy is flailing around in panic. I was struck throughout the whole series how Leyland was actually acting looser and happier than he did through the entire regular season. I have to believe that filtered down to the team, which never looked or acted particularly tense outside of the first bit of the Game 1 rainout. The Yankees, however, looked like they’d been tased then embalmed for much of Game 5 as Girardi pulled his phone-a-friend antics to the bullpen every five minutes.

Awesome, awesome, historic win. The Tigers continue their streak of never having lost a postseason series to the Yankees2 and we’re down to being one of the last four teams still playing baseball. I said yesterday before the game that if you’d told me in April that the Tigers were going to win the division by 15 games and Verlander was going to win the Cy Young, I’d have considered the season successful regardless of what happened in the playoffs. Beating the Yankees in five in the Bronx is sweet, sweet icing on the cake and there’s still more dessert to come.

1 – Well, it was a slugfest for Don Kelly at least. I’d pay good money for video of Rogo’s reaction to that one.
2 – Small sample sizes be damned.

"Virtually all tactical ploys—the sacrifice bunt, the stolen base, the hit-and-run—operate on average to reduce run scoring." -- Eric Walker

by johnmoz on Oct 7, 2011 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

The sample size just doubled, but

the Yankees STILL have never beaten the Tigers in a playoff series!

I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

by Tigerdog1 on Oct 7, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Watching Girardi panic last night

I was reminded of Napoleon Bonaparte’s famous rule: “Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.” Leyland didn’t start jacking around with pinch hitters to face new relievers or anything like that, he just kept rolling his guys out and made his standard defensive substitutions right around when we expected them. Only goofy things he did were running Scherzer out there in relief1 instead of the other middle relief gascan options and having Benoit go two innings. We joke sometimes about Leyland’s National League instincts to go all TLR on substitutions and play matchups, but he resisted the siren song of the bench and bullpen about as much as could possibly be expected last night.

Hell, if the Yankees had won, Girardi would have had a fragged group of pitchers for Game 1 and no way to use CC three times in a seven-game series. I know you manage for the win you need and not the potential games to come, but I really didn’t understand some of his decisions last night.

1 – Did anybody else catch the shot of the bullpen where there were guys starting to warm up and Brad Penny briefly stood up? I screamed so loud I may have bruised a tonsil.

"Virtually all tactical ploys—the sacrifice bunt, the stolen base, the hit-and-run—operate on average to reduce run scoring." -- Eric Walker

by johnmoz on Oct 7, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

i actually thought girardi was BRILLIANT last night

he did great with choosing his relievers and made all the right moves. they held us to one run and five hits for the last 7 innings. he gave his team the best chance to win an elimination game. you have to pull all the stops you have at your disposal.

by situationalbuntingapologist on Oct 7, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Girardi did fine with his pitchers. His batters just didn’t execute

by Kurt Mensching on Oct 7, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Girardi handled his pitchers allright

But he never changed the lineup one iota. Leyland was always changing his according to starting pitching, ballpark, and hunches. I think that might have been the difference, too. A-Rod looked like shit at the plate, and he never left the clean-up spot. He kept coming up in key situations, and failing.

"i think it will be mostly feast the rest of the year,"

by Honeyman on Oct 7, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

THAT is a great point

why WAS a-rod hitting cleanup?

he did have some RBIs in key situations (sac fly/ground out), but he did not look right.

but not sure what girardi’s other options were… their lineup is not as deep as ours.

by situationalbuntingapologist on Oct 7, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously, the entire game was a stress-fest

but when the highest paid player in baseball came to the plate in the ninth, I was thrilled to see him.

Maybe Girardi should have worried less about taking bandages off Tigers and put one on that overpaid, overrated lineup of his.

"i think it will be mostly feast the rest of the year,"

by Honeyman on Oct 7, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks all

And yes I’ve probably got a George Cantor book hanging around somewhere. I grew up reading the Freep sports section when it was filled with all-stars and even Mitch Albom wrote sports at a high level.

by Kurt Mensching on Oct 7, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Detroit has a long history of having great sports columnists

 Now? Wojo is easily the best, Rosenberg is just OK. At least Henning has opinions, even if they can be off the wall. But Albom is a shadow if what he once was, Sharp is an out and out hack, the jury is still out on Niyo, and the rest? Meh.

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by BigAl on Oct 7, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Gregg Krupa a lot

When they let him write about the business of sports. I’ve dealt with him professionally, and he’s a sharp, sharp dude and a real journalist. His coverage of the Pistons sale went multiple levels deeper than anybody else’s.

"Virtually all tactical ploys—the sacrifice bunt, the stolen base, the hit-and-run—operate on average to reduce run scoring." -- Eric Walker

by johnmoz on Oct 7, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The national media don't mind picking the Tigers

They just mind talking about them, or anyone else who isn’t the Yankees. Thank the Lord we’re done with the TBS crew. Everything they said was about the Yankees. They talked up Curtis Granderson’s MVP prospects just about every time he was up to bat, but mentioned that Cabrera’s in the running only once. This despite the fact that Cabrera is obviously a stronger candidate based on performance this year.

When the Tigers were up, it was all about what the Yankee pitcher was going to do or had to do. When the Yankees were up, it was all about the batter, not the Tiger pitcher. Tigers were only mentioned when absolutely necessary to the narrative of the Yankees succeeding or failing – except for the fact that we won the announcers hardly noticed we were there.

I actually like a lot of the Yankee players and don’t even really hate the franchise the way a lot of baseball fans do – probably because they’re not in our division anymore so our prospects for making the playoffs aren’t perpetually thwarted by them. Granderson and Jeter in particular are pretty likeable. Grandy would still be a fan favorite if he were still here, and if Jeter had been playing all these years with the Old English D on his uniform I have no doubt he’d be a legend in Detroit.

It would be nice if the announcers could at least give some airtime to Cabrera, Peralta, Scherzer, Fister, Ordonez (who IMO we should find a way to play all game every game – he is raking right now) etc. The Tigers deserve some hype too, is all I’m saying. Verlander gets his share, but the rest of them are treated like afterthoughts.

by TheCrestedHelm on Oct 7, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Me so happy.

Me want to cry.

by ChrisDTX on Oct 7, 2011 10:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I could give a flying bleep about what that national media says

That’s why I come here. And post like these are more than enough for me.

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by rock n rye on Oct 7, 2011 11:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

7:30 I think

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by tigers22 on Oct 7, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

TBS was abyssmal, but Smoltz had one really great insight

He noted that Benoit did not give in to the Yankee hitters in the 7th. And even though he walked in a run, I think that was really important. The Yankee approach is all about wearing a pitcher down, until he has to come over the plate. He missed on ball 4 to Texeira, but I think that was a better decision than “just trying to throw a strike” 3-2. If he finds too much plate, chances are Texeira pounces on it and we lose. He kept that same approach with Swisher and got the K. In my mind, that was the key sequence in the game.

Don Kelly’s fairytale was awesome, but for me, Benoit is our player of the game.

by Ryan in Brooklyn on Oct 7, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Nick Swisher

A. Can DIAF
B. Scared the piss out of me last night.

by Arvay7 on Oct 7, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

benoit was great. preventing the yankees from multi-run innings was KEY. a cano solo-shot/walking in a run didn’t bother me.

by situationalbuntingapologist on Oct 7, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yankee fan here

Just wanted to say congratulations. From this side of the fence can say anything more than the better team won. Would love to give some better insightful analysis than that, but some times you can boil it down very succintly. Please don’t take this as arrogance but it was impressive to see a team come into the Bronx Zoo and take a decisive game. That says a lot of your playersand coaches. Don’t fear anyone because I think this is a team that can play with anyone.

As for this blog, I haven’t posted before as I just joined for this series, but I must say that for the most part I have read classy, knowledable posts (well a few jabs as well but c’mon that’s to be expected). I had been told Detroit is a good sports town and from my perspective it looks like it.

Good luck the rest of the way.

España 2010 Campeones del Mundo!!!

by Togaman7 on Oct 7, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks so much!

hope to have a rematch series against you guys in next year’s playoffs. this year’s could have gone either way. i have the utmost respect for the yankee players and girardi. both are classy. it’s a shame that cashman says tasteless things (like running up the price on crawford) and that the new york based media skews the game. last night was what makes baseball great. every pitch counted. there’s no other game like that. thank you again for your classy post… and sorry that you came out on the losing side!

by situationalbuntingapologist on Oct 7, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't take this the wrong way

Hell no, I don’t want to see you guys in the play offs again against us lol. Hasn’t worked out for us. Yeah baseball is a funny game. We can each go back onto this series and pick out a dozen moments that could have turned things around one way or another.

Now as for Cashman, I do have to clarify one thing. What he did has been done back and forth between the Sox and Yankees for years and really escalated in the last decade. From the Sox’s side they have mentioned it tongue-in-cheek how they have affected our roster moves, I guess for once Cashman said you know what turn about is fair play. Not the running up the price, but the making it public. Seriously these two teams act like freshmen girls at their first prom sometimes lol.

España 2010 Campeones del Mundo!!!

by Togaman7 on Oct 7, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

red sox vs. yankees

there’s nothing else like it. and that’s probably for the best. i’m not a cashman fan (as you can probably tell), but it has gone both ways (like you say).

the only thing close to bosox/yanks (as a midwesterner) is the silliness surrounding the U of M / OSU football game every year. but we still love it :)

by situationalbuntingapologist on Oct 7, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a big thing?

Since they don’t play each other that often I didn’t think it would be a huge deal, go figure. Ironically I live in South Florida, but was rooting for the Buckeyes in both cases lol.

España 2010 Campeones del Mundo!!!

by Togaman7 on Oct 7, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still love Keith Jackson's classic lead-in to a U-M - OSU game

“Welcome to Ann Arbor, Michigan, and the Big House. Hints of snow in the air, a hundred thousand fans streaming into their seats. The Big 10 championship is on the line. The Rose Bowl berth is on the line. National championship and Heisman Trophy implications are all around. It’s Ohio State vs. Michigan, and if you’re not excited you’re watching the wrong channel.”

And yes, Michigan and Ohio State play each other every year. Until they created the Big 10 championship game this year, it was always the last game on each team’s schedule.

"Virtually all tactical ploys—the sacrifice bunt, the stolen base, the hit-and-run—operate on average to reduce run scoring." -- Eric Walker

by johnmoz on Oct 7, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice
"Welcome to Ann Arbor, Michigan, and the Big House. Hints of snow in the air, a hundred thousand fans streaming into their seats. The Big 10 championship is on the line. The Rose Bowl berth is on the line. National championship and Heisman Trophy implications are all around. It’s Ohio State vs. Michigan, and if you’re not excited you’re watching the wrong channel."

That was the lead-in for the ’97 game, word for word.

by Rob Rogacki on Oct 7, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe not word-for-word, I did it from memory

But yeah, ‘97 makes sense because I specifically remember national championship and Heisman being involved, and I don’t think OSU had those two match up in the same year in recent memory.

"Virtually all tactical ploys—the sacrifice bunt, the stolen base, the hit-and-run—operate on average to reduce run scoring." -- Eric Walker

by johnmoz on Oct 7, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

duh

sorry, I was thinking UM as in University of Miami. lol

España 2010 Campeones del Mundo!!!

by Togaman7 on Oct 7, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta 'member what blog you're on

"i think it will be mostly feast the rest of the year,"

by Honeyman on Oct 7, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's so funny

According to Michigan State fans, football was only invented 3 years ago.

by Rob Rogacki on Oct 7, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know why people don't like Michigan football?

because it’s one just one championship after 1950. And to hear its fans talk, it’s the best program in the history of the world. Sure, if the world ended at the Ohio border, maybe.

by Kurt Mensching on Oct 7, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And to hear its fans talk, it’s the best program in the history of the world.

When you have the most wins in college football history, that’s a legitimate claim.

by Rob Rogacki on Oct 8, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

It’s just that Ohio St. played the canes this year, and if you knew how whiny cane fans can be lol

España 2010 Campeones del Mundo!!!

by Togaman7 on Oct 7, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

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