UPDATED: Tigers' ALCS rotation set: It's now Verlander, Scherzer, Fister, Porcello
by BigAl on Oct 7, 2011 6:44 PM EDT
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PrintUPDATE: Per Beck, Scherzer is now starting Game 2. Porcello will start Game 4 in Detroit.
Change to Tigers rotation just announced: Scherzer will pitch Gm 2, Porcello Gm 4.
Translation: Scherzer was cleared to start on 2 days' rest after his relief appearance last night. Makes huge difference in series.
The Tigers must have been as uncomfortable with Porcello starting 2 games in Texas as the rest of us. I agree with Beck, this may be a series changing decision.
The Tigers starters for the ALCS will now go in this order:: Verlander starts games 1 and 5, Scherzer goes in games 2 and 6, Fister has games 3 and 7, Porcello gets just 1 start, game 4.
Now moot original post:
Derek Holland will start Game 2 for the Texas Rangers, manager Ron Washington confirmed. C.J. Wilson is starting Game 1 Saturday night in Arlington.
Tigers manager Jim Leyland said that Justin Verlander will start Game 1 with Rick Porcello going up against Holland in Game 2. Doug Fister will pitch Game 3 and Max Scherzer in Game 4.
Leyland's plan is to pitch Verlander again in Game 5 and have Porcello and then Fister for Games 6 and 7.
As Leyland is going with his 4 man playoff rotation, this news is what we expected.
Only 1 start for Scherzer, which isn't surprising after he was used in relief against the Yankees. I'm not going to complain about 4 starts between Verlander and Fister. Though Porcello starting on the road twice is a little disconcerting.
Thoughts?
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Hopefully the sinkerball will come through in TEX
If Porcello has his good one, like he did most of August/September, having him pitch in the Texas bandbox could be a could strategy. And Holland has talent, but the Tigs are certainly capable of putting a big number up against him.
This is what I was thinking
Porcello has improved this year (though that could also be due to the offensive drop-off league-wide) and considering that he is a sinkerball pitcher (GB rate is 51%) with a decent HR/9 rate (0.89) this isn’t horrible. Just give him a good defense.
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Haha
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After walkin' the walk in game 163 a couple years ago
I’m prepared to put my faith in Kid Rick in a pressure spot.
by CoreyMichaelDC on Oct 7, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
count me as not excited that Porcello has to start two games
hopefully he can be serviceable in each. I think we’ll score some runs off the Texas starters, their rotation doesn’t scare me all that much.
why yes, I'm slightly drunk at the moment
Did I Miss Something?
I’m not going to complain about 4 starts between Verlander and Fister. Though Porcello starting on the road twice is a little disconcerting.
Did I miss something
Verlander games 1 and 5
Scherzer games 2 and 6
Fister games 3 and 7
That comes to six games and leaves only game four for Porcello.
Sounds good to me.
Fister closed out the Yankees in game #5 so I like the idea of him being there for game #7 vs Texas if needed.
The second part of the post is the original report
The first part of the post is the late-day update correcting the original report.
Two road starts for a groundball pitcher?
I’m fine with this, especially after you consider that Texas’ lineup is predominantly right-handed.
No Ogando pitching for Texas.
ALCS probables:
C.J. Wilson, Game 1;
Derek Holland, Game 2;
Colby Lewis, Game 3;
Matt Harrison, Game 4.
Total wins vs the Tigers this season, zero.
Ogando vs Tigers = 3 wins. Go figure!
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
i am surprised.
Ogando was effective against the Tigers and he is not pitching. I have trust in Porcello and I am sure the bats will swing in this series for the Tigers.
Ogando
It might have something to do with the jump in innings pitched this year to 2010?
by KalineCountry on Oct 7, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not surprised at all
Ogando has been absolutely horrible in the second half of the season. He’ll replace Adams as the 8th inning man though.
lol.. man... dont get too drunk... but dont get not drunk enough that its rape
by I am Neftali Feliz on Jul 29, 2011 6:44 PM CDT
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Porcello was actually better on the road this season. He had a 3.77 FIP on the road vs 4.40 at home. K, BB, and BABIP rates aren’t that much different, and oddly enough he was more homer-prone at home. On the road, he seems to induce slightly more ground balls and give up slightly fewer line drives.
by Bret Boone's Farm on Oct 7, 2011 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
As long as JV wins tomorrow, I'm cool with the rotation.
But if we have a chance to go down 2 games to zip and we’re pitching Porcello, it gets a little dicey.
"i think it will be mostly feast the rest of the year,"
Delmon may be okay
From Buster Olney:
Tigers expect Delmon Young to be ok. He will take batting practice today, to test the oblique.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
That is WONDERFUL news.
2 months ago, I thought he was an underacheiving hack and couldn’t stand him. The past 18 hours, I’ve been obsessed with his oblique.
"i think it will be mostly feast the rest of the year,"
Rangers are simple pitcher but throw hard. Can Max relieve an inning or two for Game 2?
I do not expect a lot of dirty balls from the starters either. They come at you with 95 m.p.h heater.
porcello in game 2...read the article barry
by paul wall 1962 on Oct 7, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
2 for Rick
Don’t much like it. But it is what it is
leyland
I think old skipper is doing a great job setting his rotation as good as this plays out…if the yanks would have advanced they would be in a mess…now lets hope it doesn’t rain after an inning and a half….buncha crap….GO TIGERS !!!
It was updated twice.
Initially Rob edited with a quick twitter quote, and then someone added more to it.
But I forgive you, as your name is indeed Barry.
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by JimWalewander on Oct 7, 2011 8:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
UPDATE:
pick your poison. If we want Max to start possibly two games, he has to start game 2 because we know that Leyland will start Fister on “normal” four days rest in game 3. Starting in Texas carries an even greater risk than starting in NY, with Max being second in the league in allowing homers. I’ll take this as a positive step, even though Max could potentially start two games in Texas now. Between two JV starts and two Fister starts, we’ve got some very solid pitching going into this series.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Yeah
It’s iffy either way.
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Scherzer and Game #2 ALCS
He started on the Oct 2nd and got the win
He pitched 1.1 innings yesterday on the 6th.
His next start is scheduled for Oct 9th
His record this season including I believe post-season when starting with five days rest is 7 – 0
With six or more days between starts it is 1 – 1
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=scherma01&year=&t=p
Max
He was arguably the Tigers’ best pitcher in the ALDS, blasphemous as that sounds. He would have my vote for MVP for the series. Give him the ball as soon as he is ready to pitch. No issues with JF and Fister, so having Max pitch in the mix takes a lot of stress away.
Tigers in 6, BTW.
by knucklescarbone on Oct 8, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Not even arguing that, just that he's a fly ball pitcher and does much better at home.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I like this much better
Whenever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft, it changes its call sign to Bear Force One.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 7, 2011 7:35 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Update
Thanks Al and everyone here.
I read Danny Worth is on his way from Lakeland to texas to join the Tigers. Any news on this? and who he would replace?
Pretty sure it would have to be Betemit or Young
No reason why they would replace anyone else on the roster right now.
Did Nyjer Morgan say the F word on TBS?
Did anyone else catch it.
He pulled an Eddie Brinkman
except Eddie had class. Morgan’s an ass.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
You know what?
I’m not going to question Leyland’s decisions anymore. He’s put the right players in the right position to make things happen for us. He has the hot hand…. so I feel fine with this rotation.
+1
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by RealityIsOptionable on Oct 7, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I Was Hoping For This Rotation
Verlander, Porcello, Scherzer, Fister, Verlander.
I think we would clinch in Detroit & not return to Texas.
Tigers win in 5 games.
Ugh, NL baseball is so stupid
what’s interesting about watching players who are both terrible at hitting and have no interest in hitting hit? Nothing.
I'm actually hoping the Tigers lose one of the first 4 games...
Because I have tickets to Game 5, and I would love to be in attendance, with JV on the mound, in the game that could send us to the Series.
You will get your wish
to attend a game 5. You have my most sincere envy.
by knucklescarbone on Oct 8, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Texas is going to be a tough out but...
Holy shit the phillies are out of the playoffs, they were the only NL team (or any team really) i thought was clearly better than the tigers. if we can get past the rangers i have a great feeling about our chances.
The Phillies looked incredible
But even the best pitching can’t win if there is no offense. They were shut down in the deciding game and I’m still shaking my head at that.
Then again, considering the power of the Yankees’ lineup, they were shut down in their game five too. If someone told me the Tigers would score only three runs against NY in Yankee Stadium I would have bet they were involved in a 5-3 of 6-3 loss for sure. NO WAY would I have figured they could limit that lineup in that ballpark to just two runs.
I love this team. :)
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Good.
Scherzer has pitched pretty well lately.
Ogando
I’m kind of floored by the lack of Ogando but I fully expect to see him out of the bullpen in close games.
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