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Casey Crosby, Tyler Stohr good candidates to be added to Tigers' 40-man roster

Editor's note: Please welcome Tigerdog1 to the Bless You Boys writing staff as a contributor. He's been a valuable contributor of FanPosts since joining -- and especially during the first month of the offseason -- so it was only logical to ask him on board. -- Kurt

Things are going to heat up a little bit this week around major league baseball.  By Friday, clubs must submit  "reserve lists" to the MLB office. By Nov. 23, clubs must decide whether to offer arbitration to their own free agent players in order to receive any compensation should those players sign elsewhere.   So what does this mean for the Detroit Tigers?

The term "reserve lists" is just a fancy term for rosters. In the case of  major league rosters, teams can reserve up to 40 players that will be protected during the Rule 5 draft that will take place at the end of the winter meetings on Dec.8 in Dallas. The Tigers currently have 34 players on their 40 man roster.  That is after removing the free agents: Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Guillen, Ramon Santiago, Wilson Betemit, Joel Zumaya, Brad Penny, and after removing Brad Thomas, who was outrighted after the season.   This leaves the Tigers with six spots to add players that the club plans to keep on it’s 40 man roster to start the 2012 baseball season.  

Under the current rules, players are eligible for the Rule 5 draft four seasons after they signed their first professional contract, or five seasons in the case of a player who was under 19 years of age at the time of signing.   Translation: Players who were drafted out of college in the 2008 draft (the Ryan Perry draft), and players who were drafted out of high school in the 2007 draft (the Rick Porcello draft), must be added to the roster or the club risks losing them in the Rule 5 Draft in December.  

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Many clubs will be forced to remove players from their rosters and put them through waivers in order to make room for younger prospects that they’d like to protect.  This is not the case with the Tigers.  While the Tigers may decide at this point that there is a player or two that they don’t want to keep on the roster, they probably have enough open space on the roster to add the players that they would like to protect. One important note regarding the Rule 5 draft is that a club that selects a player in this draft must keep that player on their 25-man major league roster for the duration of the season, or they must offer that player back to his original club before sending the player to the minor leagues.

Thus, it is easier to get a player through the Rule 5 draft than it would be to clear the player through regular waivers during the season.  A player claimed on regular major league waivers can be sent to the minors as long as he remains on the 40-man roster. This means that a club will not protect a player at this time if there is a chance that they’ll have to remove them from the roster later on to make room for a free agent that might be acquired.  

Okay, names.  You want names. Players who were drafted out of high school, along with Rick Porcello, in the June, 2007 draft, include infielder Danny Worth (who is already on the roster), lefty starter Casey Crosby, and reliever Matt Hoffman, who is currently pitching in the Arizona Fall League.   

Players who were drafted out of college along with Ryan Perry in the 2008 draft include Alex Avila and Andy Dirks who are on the roster. Pitchers Tyler Stohr, Cody Satterwhite, Robbie Weinhardt, Jared Gayhart, and Thad Weber, along with infielders Bryan Pounds and Brandon Douglas, and outfielder Justin Henry are in this group as well.   Pitcher Jay Voss, who came to the Tigers from Florida in the trade for Nate Robertson, and infielder Gustavo Nunez, who was signed as an international free agent, are also Rule 5 eligible.   

Of these players, the Tigers are almost sure to protect Crosby and Stohr. They probably will protect Voss, and possibly Hoffman and Nunez. Nunez was left unprotected in last year’s Rule 5 draft, but he is more advanced this year, having graduated to Double-A Erie. My guess is that the Tigers protect either Cale Iorg or Nunez, but not both.  I can’t see Nunez on a major league roster for a full season, but maybe another club feels differently.  His glove is said to be major league ready. Iorg is already on the 40-man roster. 

So, let’s say that the Tigers add three players to the roster, bringing the total to 37 players. That leaves room to add three more players before the season starts, without having to make an immediate decision on removing players from the current roster.

One advantage to that is that the players that might be removed could be used in a trade without exposing them to waivers, and the possibility that they’d be lost without any return.  Which players might be removed from the current 40 man roster?  Again, strictly guessing:  Iorg, Ryan Strieby, Luis Marte, or maybe Clete Thomas, if necessary.  I don’t expect any of these players to be removed unless the organization has made a decision that they’re just not in the club’s plans, at least in the short term. 

Tomorrow: Arbitration decisions are discussed.

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Cut Clete!

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by David Tokarz on Nov 14, 2011 12:42 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I agree with David

Thomas has regressed a lot since he was with the Tigers a few years back as his trade value. He was a decent talent in ‘08 when he played some 40-odd games and the Tigers haven’t been able to keep him on track. Furthermore I’ve watched him in Toledo over 25 times this past season and he looks completely lost at the plate. They can remove him from the roster and easily not have to worry about a team claiming him off waivers. It looks like he’ll be spending the rest of his career in the minors.

Take off your white wig, put down your gavel and stop judging...

by Zaref346 on Nov 14, 2011 1:47 AM EST reply actions  

I wouldn't say there's no worry of Clete being claimed

He’s actually a good 5th OF option. Lefty bat off the bench with good defensive value. As long as there’s absolutely no need to get him more than 150 AB’s in a season, he might be a valuable role player for the right team. I can see somebody with a poor defensive, RH heavy starting OF taking him in the Rule 5 draft.

That being said, we have Don Kelly, so he’s absolutely not worth keeping a roster spot open for. I’d much rather protect Hoffman, Pounds, Douglas, Nunez, or Voss than Clete Thomas.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Nov 14, 2011 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Congrats Tigerdog

I agree with everyone you named also. Well done. Nice work.

by Keith-Allen on Nov 14, 2011 4:27 AM EST reply actions  

One of the astute writers on this blog

predicted Casey Crosby would be more likely a reliever than a starter. All of the AFL action he’s been getting has been in relief. I’m assuming this means more than just that there are too many starters on his team, correct?

He’s only allowed 2ER (7runs) but has walked 10 in 12 2/3 innings for the AFL East champ Salt River Rafters.

I still hold out hope that someday he can be a big league starter.

by Dergunna Wavimin on Nov 14, 2011 5:52 AM EST reply actions  

I would hope that the organization doesn't just make him a reliever without a reason

If the only reason for putting him into the bullpen is “we have 5 starters already,” then that falls somewhere between negligent and stupid. I’m definitely no prospect expert, but even I know that a young lefty starter is a much more valuable trade piece than a lefty reliever (if it came down to that, that is).

by Rob Rogacki on Nov 14, 2011 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

He's got a tendency to get hurt

And his control blows. He’ll probably stay in the rotation for development purposes, but he’s a bullpen guy.

"You, on the other hand, make Eeyore look like Rainbow Brite." -johnmoz

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by David Tokarz on Nov 14, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade Bait?

As much as I like him, I kinda wish they’d trade him while he still has a great deal of value. I agree with you that the injuries and control problems have really limited his value at the pro level moving forward.

James R. Chipman
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by JAYRC on Nov 15, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

handsomerob1

I don’t think there are any trades allowed in the Arizona Fall League.

by Dergunna Wavimin on Nov 18, 2011 4:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I bet he gets one more year as SP, probably in Toledo

With his injuries, the return of pre-injury control and velocity can take an extra year or two beyond being cleared to pitch again. I was happy to see him mostly healthy last season. In 2012, I expect he’ll be promoted to Toledo’s rotation (although it’s not guaranteed with the arms in the system currently…Turner, Oliver, Below, Wilk, Crosby, Villarreal, Weber, and Ni are all candidates for Toledo’s rotation) If he does indeed land in Toledo and logs a bunch of innings with a high BB%, my guess is that he’ll see a promotion during the season into Detroit’s pen, where he might never escape from.

But hey, a MLB reliever is still a valuable guy. He’s already got the value of Dan Schlereth in my book.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Nov 14, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't think about protecting Fu Te Ni, but I suppose it could happen

Ni had a little bit of a comeback last year after they put him back in the rotation. I could see a team taking a chance on him.

"King of Minutiae"

by Tigerdog1 on Nov 14, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Good stuff TD1

I’ve always really enjoyed your work and writing in the FanPosts, so glad to see you on board as a contributor. Congrats!

No longer the Founder, President and CEO of the Ryan Raburn Fan Club

by tigers22 on Nov 14, 2011 8:18 AM EST reply actions  

The Best just got Better

Congrats to BYB and to Tigerdog. One of the very best Tigers posters in the blogosphere.

by KalineCountry on Nov 14, 2011 8:47 AM EST reply actions  

Good article TD1.

Looking forward to more insightful articles. The additional rookies added on to the roster do not necessarily replace the field positions of the 6 being removed. I assume that, if Tigers add someone to the roster via free agency, that someone must be removed and possibly given up as a Rule 5? Would be interested to note of the players you have mentioned which ones would be the most vulnerable.

by inthzone on Nov 14, 2011 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

The team will probably add a couple guys to the roster

But I wouldn’t be surprised to see them sit at 37-38 during the offseason to leave room for any free agent signings. For example, Ramon Santiago is not currently on the 40-man roster. If he is re-signed, that’s another spot taken up. Same thing for Maggs.

by Rob Rogacki on Nov 14, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Welcome, Tigerdog1!

I’ve followed your posts and comments as sensible, well-thought-out, and informative. Glad to see BYB feels the same.

by TigerMom on Nov 14, 2011 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

Same here, TD1

Glad to see you get the recognition you deserve. I like reading your stuff, now available with less clicking!

by MotorCityCat on Nov 14, 2011 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

Congrats TD1

It’s about damn time! Look forward to reading your columns.

James R. Chipman
Minor League Correspondent
MotorCityBengals.com

by JAYRC on Nov 14, 2011 10:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Another great article. TDog

thanks for the insight

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by BrianCMU. on Nov 14, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

Thank You, everyone

I am happy to be joining the best team in the Tiger blogosphere. BYB has the best writers, the best content, the best game threads and the best bloggers on the internet. I hope that I can contribute something interesting and meaningful.

At a glance, it doesn’t seem like there is a whole lot of help coming from the farm for the 2012 Tigers, but you never know.

"King of Minutiae"

by Tigerdog1 on Nov 14, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

it was about time

you were making the rest of us normal folks look bad with how much you contributed. Oh geez, are they going to let you have a banhammer as well? that’s a scary thought.

I Like Pie

by mrsunshine on Nov 14, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm rooting for Casey Crosby

I followed his high school career, and would love to see him do well for the Tigers.

by Avid Reader on Nov 14, 2011 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

Back up Catcher

I would not like to see them waste a roster spot on a .180 Laird style backup. bring some like Rob Brantly up for league minimum

by BengalsNme on Nov 14, 2011 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

Nice to see T-Dog

You are an exceptional writer, making much ’minutiae" understandable. Much of your subject matter can be mundane and hard to understand, but you make it not only a pleasure to read but gives the reader a full grasp of the rules and goings on of many important subjects. And you do it in such a way that your knowledge is passed to us while still being an easy read and enjoyable.

Well done.

Justin can now let the fungus grow back on his shower shoes.

by Singledigit on Nov 14, 2011 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

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