Delmon Young, and the non-tender deadline
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 12, 2011 11:25 AM EST
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PrintMidnight tonight marks the MLB deadline for non-tendering a player. In human language, that means deciding not to offer a contract to a player under team control.
Despite the pleas from some Tigers fans, this deadline means very little as it relates to current Tigers. GM Dave Dombrowski told told MLB Network Radio in November that he will bring Delmon Young back in 2012. (Unless he finds a trading partner, etc.)
We're not going to non-tender Delmon Young. I mean, that's just not going to happen."
But that doesn't mean the non-tender deadline can't still be fun for the Tigers. There might be other players worth keeping an eye on, too.
MLB Trade Rumors has a list of non-tender candidates. Many of these will probably be offered a contract, but the rest will become free agents. Don't expect to be wowed, but there are some possibilities anyway.
In the infield, you've got possible names like 2B Skip Schumaker or SS Ryan Theriot. I'm not sure either would be a big upgrade. I don't think there's going to be a lot of gem hunting there.
Among pitchers, it's more interesting. Left-hander Tom Gorzelanny might make a decent fifth starter. He has kept an ERA around 4 the past two years while keeping up a pretty decent strikeout rate. The Nationals are still making up their mind, wrote the Washington Post today.
Marlins SP Chris Volstad may not have a future in Miami. However, a Sun-Sentinel writer today wrote that he'd be shocked if Volstad wasn't offered a contract. He might be seen as a trade chip for a team willing to bet on a change of scenery for the Marlins' former No. 1 prospect. Fish Stripes calls him a decent fifth-starter if you ignore all the prior prospect hype.
Joe Saunders of the Diamondbacks, too, is another candidate, but it sounds like they're trying to keep him under contract for a possible trade. So I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
So in the end, we're probably not talking about the most exciting crop of players becoming free agents. Are any on your shopping list?
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Delmon
There is no question at minimum as a hedge that he should be kept….but it won’t surprise me in the least after tendering him, if he is eventually traded.
by Marc in Green Bay on Dec 12, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Marc ... nice to see you here.
Justin can now let the fungus grow back on his shower shoes.
One of the posters whose name I remembered from the Detroit News forums
I never posted there, but I always enjoyed the thought that someone other than me lived in green bay. I was off Lime Kiln Road when I lived there.
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 12, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
me either...
But, it’s kinda sorta sad to not see those who performed well, besides the oblique thing, but not much he could do about that, other than that one of the bright spots n the OF last year, not to mention, they probly don’t make it to the playoffs w/o Young, especially after Boesch went down…hmm?
periods.
they are your friends.
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I see what you did there
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by JimWalewander on Dec 12, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
haha...no, they still are
they mean I’m not a dad yet
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Saunders, Gorzelanny, maybe Andy Sonnastine
I have a feeling that DD won’t want to pay that much for Saunders, even though he would be the best pitcher available out there. Figure maybe 7 mil or so. Gorzelanny is a decent swing man, wouldn’t block Turner when ready, wouldn’t cost that much, and is a lefty that might play well in Co Pa.
Brad Thomas not being offered a contract is pretty much non news at this point. He was outrighted, had the choice of declaring free agency at that time, and they didn’t really even announce that he did or didn’t elect free agency. To keep him in the majors would take $ 640 K and that’s not going to happen. G’day, mate!
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Brad Thomas, actually
I just noticed in the minor league transaction record that Brad refused his minor league assignment and is now a free agent. I didn’t even see that announcement, that’s how irrelevant he was/ is.
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I'd like Sonnastine
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by David Tokarz on Dec 12, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like Saunders
But not at the expense of anything else. So with that in mind … yeah, Sonnastine is probably the best idea.
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Saunders was non-tendered today
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He probably gets a multi year contract somewhere now that he's a free agent
Also, Arizona was probably unable to get anything for him because nobody wanted to pay $ 8- 9 million.
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Sonnanstine
He’d be a good RP
"I will play tomorrow unless I am dead when I wake up" - Victor Martinez
Gorz.
Cheap, lefty. Wouldn’t mind him in a Tigers’ uni. And like Tigerdog said, he probably would play well in CoPa.
Other than that… not many upgrades available on this front.
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by DetroitTigersGeek on Dec 12, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions
Absolutely!
He strikes out a lot of people (8.14/9), had a 1.29 WHIP and a 4.09 FIP. Spent half his time as a starter and half as a reliever. Nats got him to be a starter and they think they can do better. They won’t want to pay starter salary for an occasionally used long man. We NEED someone who can start some and then fade into the long relief role. He is about as perfect a fit as we could ask for. Do it DD!
I don't think that the Twins would have had a problem finding a trade partner for Delmon, either
so he was really never in danger of being non tendered. In fact, they did find a partner in Detroit. He just doesn’t hold much surplus value in his contract beyond what he is paid. We saw that when DD tried to peddle him to the Braves for Prado.
"King of Minutiae"
He's not non-tendered
If you have a steak that not non-tenderized it means it’s quite tender. Get it?
This should clear it up
jinxing ass
Projections
MLBTR’s Matt Swartz projects Saunders at $ 8.7 mil, Gorzelanny at 2.8 mil, and Sonnastie at 1.1 mil.
I’d pass on Sonnastine at any price, really.
"King of Minutiae"
Gorzelanny looks interesting.
Last two years his numbers have been pretty good. Looks like a guy who can give you 5 innings most outings, maybe give up 2 or 3 runs. Probably no worse than Penny on average (I think Penny filled his role last year quite adequately). Looks like he has been used in different roles, but I would hope he would be strictly a 5th starter/place-holder in a Tigers uni.
by knucklescarbone on Dec 12, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Volstad would be a fine #5, so would Gorzo
I don’t see Volstad getting non-tendered. The Marlins still look a bit thin at the end of their rotation. Their current rotation is probably Johnson, Buehrle, Nolasco, Sanchez, and Volstad. Johnson’s health is always in question, so I’m not sure I’d let a decent (if disapponiting) #5 get away.
I’d really like Schumaker the best of the bunch. When he was getting regular playing time, he looked to be a pretty good bat at 2B.
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Thanks but no thanks
His K% last year was crazy, and I like what he could do in 2011, but I’d rather have Fister as our #2.
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Crazy
I don’t understand that move at all. Not that Rhymes was ever going to be a world-beater, but he was (a) cheap and (b) young and reliable. It’s always good to have some AAAA guys like Rhymes around. Definitely doesn’t make sense to dump him like that.
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Rhymes only plays second.
Rhymes cannot hit.
Rhymes is (relatively) old.
He hustles. I’m glad he got some MLB time. He seems like a nice guy.
The Tigers won’t miss him.
Do NOT tender Delmon Young an offer.
But this is less than 140 characters
Rhymes only plays second.
Rhymes cannot hit.
Rhymes is (relatively) old.
by Rob Rogacki on Dec 12, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe crazy...maybe not
it comes down to, would he be better than the tandem of RR and Santiago. My answer is no. Santiago’s war of 1.4 and RR war of 1.2 vs Rhymes war of -0.2. The numbers dont lie, Rhymes wasnt that good.
The problem with winter sports is that - follow me closely here - they generally take place in winter.
Huh?
Rhymes is not a major leaguer, and worrying about his loss is more than moot….when you can’t hit at this level, don’t have power, and don’t even run as well as one would think for his stature, as well as ONLY play one position, you have no value…..I doubt seriously that Will Rhymes will ever be a regular for any length of time at the ML level again, and possibly not even make it as a backup since he only plays 2B…..nothing personal against him, but he isn’t good enough at any one thing at all….
by Marc in Green Bay on Dec 12, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
What to think of Young?
He could hit .300 this year(and thereby end up with a reasonable OBP)with 18 homers and through enough guys on base in front of him be JLs hero with a nice number of rbi’s.
Or, he could hit .260 with a terrible OBP and no power and be a total bust.
Can someone tell me what’s going to happen?
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roll the dice and see
but given his history i’d edge toward the lower side of expectations and hope for the best
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 12, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Here's what will happen
Young will hit for a high average (.290) and low on base percentage for that average (.315). He will hit 10 or 12 home runs. He will play defense like a drunk Ryan Raburn. I will continue to complain, but whenever I complain in a game thread he will hit an extra base hit.
Around June 15 Cespedes will get the call from Toledo and Young will be relegated to a pinch hitting role until he is DFA’ed in late July and eventually traded for a hard throwing reliever. I will tell everyone I told you so.
I am not a fan of Delmon Young.
Okay
I’m no longer confused.
Justin can now let the fungus grow back on his shower shoes.
I like your prediction
You had me at Cespedes.
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If we also win the division
I will change my signature to “I, for one, welcome our new HighOPS overlord”
He will be traded
probably for not much. That’s the vibe that I’m getting.
That, and we’ll have two platoons, with Kelly rarely filling in for Inge.
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Tigers got hot when they added Delmon
Delmon was a good addition , but not a three hole hitter
by The Skipper on Dec 12, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on how they platoon
The only acceptable way to run that platoon is lefty/righty matchups, where Inge’s splits come close to justifying playing time (and Kelly’s too for that matter.)
Inge , Career
vs LHP: .265/.342/.458
vs RHP: .223/.291/.362
Kelly, Career:
vs LHP: .185/.211/.204
vs RHP: .246/.292/.380
Kelly is better than Inge vs. Righties (in every category, but not substantially). Inge is better than Kelly vs. Lefties (in every category, substantially). Kelly should never bat vs. LHP and Inge should seldom bat vs. RHP. It that’s the case, the platoon might actually put up a season of .250 / .315 / .400 with playable defense. Not good, but not shoot-me-in-the-head bad. Hopefully, that is our #8 or #9 production.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Delmon was hurt a lot last year . . .
. . . and Minnesota acted like one of those teams that become impatient with hurt players (funny, they don’t treat Morneau or Mauer that way). He was just getting healthy again when we got him. I’d like to see what he does this year before I’m convinced he’s a bad player. He’s still, no pun intended, young enough to improve.
Delmon is going to have a career year.
.335 Batting Average, 35 Homers, 135 RBI’s, .337 OBP. :-)
Right numbers, wrong player
Boesch.
Brennan Boesch.
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offseason workethic.
right now i think management is evaluating DY based on “how bad” he wants to get better. the tigers know what he is capable of but want to see how hard he’s willing to work to get there.
if DY has a good offseason; management will roll the dice and he will play LF.
if not he will be traded at or by spring training. DD and JL have no time for a player who thinks he’s “gifted”
Who trades for Young?
I keep seeing rumblings about trading Young. I’m not the type to put something in ALL CAPS, but if I were, it would be that Delmon Young has no trade value. He’s going to make 7M+. He’s not really all that good, offensively or defensively. He’s a pending free agent, so if he has a good year, it’s not like you can count on that again.
He’s valuable to the Tigers and the Tigers alone. He fills the LF spot, adequately with the bat. He’s a “bird in the hand” so we know we have him. His contract somewhat exceeds his value, but at least he’s here and we don’t have to squabble terms with a free agent that is free to choose other teams.
The team will keep him until mid-season. At that point, he may be more valuable as a trade piece if contenders need that sort of player to fill a hole. We may trade him if we have something in the OF to replace him adequately (like Cespedes).
Otherwise, enjoy the year with Young. Cheer for him, he’s a 2012 Tiger.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Tiger's Needs
Not as much out there for trades as it looks, free agents cost too much this year. Main need the Tigers have is for a leadoff hitter. Jackson pays his way because of his glove, however he may look at Granderson’s stats and press too hard at bat, may do better elsewhere. Jackson is fine as a 9th hitter, may come along offensively – has to prove that.
You’ve got to have guys who are better than average defensively. Young doesn’t fit that, however he works his butt off and is an overall plus despite not having range in the OF.
Porcello needs to prove he’s really putting out consistently, not just playing the role except when pushed. TV cameras show a lot – who’s busting it and who’s gliding.
DeJesus would be a good leadoff man, .350 on base %, good OF, great motivation. Also he’s beaten the Tigers a number of times. Polanco. Only thing with older players who have been brittle at times, need to take it easy on them early in the year and on cold days. Can be two good additions.
Need a lefty starter.
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