Tracking international players Yu Darvish and Yoenis Cespedes
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 16, 2011 10:42 AM EST
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PrintBaseball news -- at least as it relates to the Detroit Tigers -- seems to be pretty slow this week, and I'm not sure how much we can expect it to pick up with Christmas and New Years quickly approaching on the calendar. But there are a couple of players to keep watch on.
The first is Japanese pitcher Yu Darvish, MLB teams had until 5 p.m. on Wednesday to place a bid with his team, the Nippon Ham Fighters, in order to gain the right to negotiate with Darvish. The Tigers were not thought to be in this chase, beyond pipe dreams and dreaming from some fans. The Fighters have a few more days to think about the bid -- reports say that they'll accept it -- but it is apparently from the Toronto Blue Jays.
George A King III of the NY Post wrote today:
Having made a posting bid above $40 million and possibly close to $50 million, the Blue Jays are the favorites to land the negotiating rights to Japanese pitcher Yu Darvish.
There is a belief the Cubs also made a large bid on the right-hander but a number hasn't been attached to their bid.The Yankees made a bid Wednesday night, but it's not expected to top what the Blue Jays submitted. The Rangers are also believed to have bid.
Which brings us to Cespedes, whom I have to write about at least once or twice a week due to a contract I signed with myself.
Well, there's not really much new there. The claims negotiations begin at Aroldis Chapman money (about $30 million) have been repeated by his agent, but that's not really all that exciting when the figures $50 and $60 million have been tossed around for weeks. Also, he may be looking for a six-, seven- or even eight-year deal, Yahoo! Sports' Jeff Passan wrote on Twitter. So that's about it.
People continue to write that Cespedes could be declared a free agent at pretty much any time, but so far he hasn't, so there's nothing that can officially happen right now on the Cespedes front.
But when that happens... excitement! No matter if the Tigers get him or not.
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If Illitch really does....
…want to win a WS before he dies,then signing both Darvish and Cespedes would pretty much do it. Still dreaming of Prado and Wright too with Inge and Raburn getting the pink slip! Hey! it’s my dream! LOL!
The longer Cepsedes is unavailable and we don't spend, the better our chances are
Let’s hope that Miami signs Fielder soon. That might, just might, be the end of their spending. If Miami exits the market, I like our chances much better. As long as Miami is a player here, I think we’re not a legit bidder without bidding substantially more than Miami.
Of course, NYY is still in from what I’ve heard. They’re in essentially the same boat as us. They can probably find 5-10M annually in the cushions to spend and they have a want/need for the guy. Their off-season has been pretty quiet, so I’m expecting some sort of move from them (but I’m guessing it will be SP).
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
I like your optimism
Wish I had it. Here is my thinking:
I think the Yankees are first going after Yu Darvish. If they lose out (and based on the above rumors they are not all in on Yu Darvish) then they will be all in on Cespedes.
Miami is going to go all in on Cespedes after losing out on Pujols. Can you imagine the ticket sales from Cuban Americans in Miami if Cespedes is playing there? If I was the Miami owner, I would be willing to WAY overpay for him to play in Miami!
I’d love to have him on the team. But with Miami and New York (probably) willing to vastly overpay for him. The only chance I see is if we can get Magglio Ordonez to talk to Hugo Chavez to pull some stings with the Castro brothers for some incentives (sorry incentives is a dirty word in the communist world) political favors back in Cuba for the Cespedes family if he is willing to sign with Detroit.
I agree that Miami is the easy favorite right now
I don’t think NYY should be in on him. Their outfield is reasonably set with Gardner, Grandy, and Swish, yet they don’t have legit #3 or 4 starter. What are they thinking? Every time a pitcher signs anywhere, I wonder why the Yankees weren’t in on him. When I hear that Darvish will go for under 100M, I wonder why the Yankees aren’t in on him. What gives?
Anyhow, I visited Pinstripe alley a few weeks ago and they were saying that there are other players they’d much rather have than Cepsedes. With Dombrowski making that personal visit a few weeks ago, I’m guessing we might have an edge on the Yanks right now.
It’s probably all moot because I agree that unless Miami closes they wallet, they’ll offer him way more than we will.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Tigers are the favorites according to most sources that I've read
The Tigs have been all over Cespedes for a few years now, and have scouted him more heavily than any other club.
"King of Minutiae"
They might be the favorites based on interest level
but would it really shock you if the Marlins threw out 7 years $70 million given their aggressiveness thus far?
I can’t see DD drastically overpaying for an unproven commodity. I can’t wait to see what happens…anything to break the boredom of nothing happening!
He might also choose Miami based on the ability to play CF,
all else equal.
IMO, Cespedes goes against Cashman's current philosophy
He doesn’t like to take chances on unproven players or rookies. He’s a track record guy and won’t screw around with experiments. Jesus Montero and Brett Gardner had to prove himself at all levels in the minor leagues before they got called up. He won’t take shortcuts. They already have a solid outfield with Granderson, Gardner, and Swisher also.
If Miami desperately needed Cuban players, I think they’d already have other Cuban players on the roster. Would’t they have someone such as Livan Hernandez locked up. Do you know for sure that Cespedes is a popular guy in Miami? I bet he’s not nearly as popular as guys on the Gold Medal team from 2004 Summer Olympics, like Yoandry Urgelles or Frederich Cepeda.
Miami could also trade for Kendry Morales.
With Pujols at 1B in LA, Kendry should be available. He should be Miami’s #1 target if they want a Cuban player because they could use a 1B more than an outfielder.
Miami doesn’t need a first baseman they have gabby Sanchez a kid from Miami which fits their marketing strategy.. They need a center fielder according to south Florida media ( which is where I live) gateway to Latin America is their marketing strategy
by syper17 on Dec 16, 2011 9:42 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Then why were they trying to sign Pujols at 1B?
Why did they sign Mark Buehrle and Heath Bell?
Why aren’t they going after Cuban stars like Livan Hernandez and Danys Baez?
Because he's Albert Freakin Pujols!
You need more reason than that?
Gaby would have made a nice trade piece had they signed Albert.
"King of Minutiae"
I agree about Miami...I think Loria is still drunk and is likely throw stupid money
at Cespedes.
However, he may be a man without a position unless they trade Hanley. Bonifacio may be slated for CF with Morrison and Stanton (wow) in the corners.
I’m always worried about the Yankees, but they don’t really need offense whatsoever so I could see them not going all in for Yoenis.
If they sign Cespedes and the OF gets clogged
I’d happily take any of those three from them for a prospect or two. Obviously, Stanton is a stud, but LoMo is pretty good and Bonifacio seems to be coming into his own as well.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
They like bonificio as the utility guy
by syper17 on Dec 16, 2011 9:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Would u really be shocked if they traded #nohomojustlomo things like that don’t make him team friendly. Even with Ozzie and his twitter account joining Miami lomo might not sit well with management… The fanbase lives lomo down here too which makes a interesting dynamic
by syper17 on Dec 16, 2011 9:47 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Gio
They would never trade stanton…& if they acquired Cespedes & decided to move LoMo…it would be for Gio Gonzalez
by Wolverine119 on Dec 17, 2011 5:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Even though Cespedes has not been formally declared a free agent...
is it possible that some discussions have taken place between DD and his representation?
"All aboard! There is plenty of room."
Brennan Boesch Bandwagon Conductor
Interesting ... Yu Darvish and the Jays
Would it have been cheaper to just hang on to Halladay? Is there any doubt it would have been better?
Justin can now let the fungus grow back on his shower shoes.
could they be called the Yu Jays?
//stupid joke that has probably been done elsewhere
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 16, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Somebody is going to copyright that thing
And make a few ducats.
Justin can now let the fungus grow back on his shower shoes.
until then
we’re just spreading yu-mors!
someone fire me from my own blog — for the good of all of us
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 16, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Dropping the banhammer as we speak...
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by David Tokarz on Dec 18, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Sooner the better on Cespedes
I actually hope he gets declared soon…I believe should the tigers miss out they might be in play for a Beltran,Rollins, or Oswalt…but if they’re all gone..the trade market would be our only ave….& since its not my money…i’d prefer to keep the few good prospects we have
by Wolverine119 on Dec 17, 2011 4:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If I had to guess, his problem goes something like this;
He can not sign with a team until he is a citizen of DR.
He can not pay the guy at the office the money for the paperwork until he signs with a team.
by Eastwindquinn on Dec 19, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
$
All that money they spent on his promotional video…you’d think he & his agent were rollin in it
by Wolverine119 on Dec 20, 2011 3:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
With the right friends
You could put that together for very little.
by Eastwindquinn on Dec 20, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
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