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Where to Plant Them: Tiger Second Basemen

This is the third installment in a series where I'm trying to guess at how the Tigers will staff the starting role at each position for their four full season squads. We've already covered the catchers and first basemen and now we move on to second base. This position gets a little tricky because you have the potential for players who had always been shortstops to get moved to the other side of the keystone.

I'm not going to mess around with that idea, though. I might give a brief nod to the possibility of shortstops or utility players stepping in at the position, but I'll focus on the players who played more games at second base last season than anywhere else.

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West Michigan

Alexander Nunez, Born: 5/4/90, Bats: R

I struggled trying to figure out who I thought would staff both the catching and first base positions in Grand Rapids and second base is no different. I ended up going with Alexander Nunez by default as much as anything. He was the every day second baseman in Connecticut last year, but struggled badly against NY-Penn pitching. He hit just .223/.265/.328, and while we shouldn't put too much stock in stats at that level, striking out (76) more than five times more often than you walk (14) is not a good sign at any level.

Other possibilities I considered were Jimmy Gulliver, who was assigned to West Michigan last season when the Tigers looked to shake up an ineffective roster. He's 24, though, and I assume would only get the job if nobody else were deemed ready. As I alluded to above, that seems like a scenario with a greater than zero probability.

Another possibility is the Tigers looking at three young shortstops, Hernan Perez, Dixon Machado and Javier Azcona and trying to see how one of them looks at second base. If they go that route, Azcona would seem like the most probable candidate since he moved around the GCL infield last season. When the other two are discussed, it seems like their defense always comes up first. I don't know why, then, you'd move them off the position that puts it to best use.

Lakeland

Corey Jones, Born: 9/14/87, Bats: L

When doing an exercise like this, I'm always thankful for an assignment that seems as clear cut as this one. The most frequent Lakeland second basemen from last year had mid-season promotions to Erie, leaving a clear vacancy for somebody. Jones was assigned to West Michigan right out of college and handled himself pretty well against Midwest League pitchers, making a promotion seem likely.

That's not to say Jones isn't without his blemishes. He showed very little power last season and achieved a line of .360/.450/.460 mostly on the back of a .417 BABIP. His defense doesn't seem to get rave reviews either, but I fail to see how any of these issues are going to be addressed by him having another go in the Midwest League. At 23, with a good (if brief) debut, he seems like a lock to be Lakeland bound.

Assuming the Tigers didn't sign William Bergolla to stow him at such a low level, it's difficult to imagine who else they might consider for Lakeland. As I mentioned above, Brandon Douglas and Alden Carrithers both had a go at second in Lakeland last season. Both also showed that they are more than ready for a greater challenge than Florida State League pitchers can provide (hence, in-season promotions for each).

Erie

Brandon Douglas, Born: 8/27/85, Bats: R

I put Douglas side-by-side with Alden Carrithers to see who seemed like the more likely starter at this position. It was an easy decision to go with Douglas. When the two were both in the lineup in Erie last season, Douglas was clearly the preferred second baseman. After going through a few random lineup cards from the time when both were playing for the SeaWolves, I didn't find an instance of both being in the lineup and Carrithers being at second base.

In fact, Carrithers' best shot at getting the starting job at second base in Erie would probably be if the Tigers decide to let Douglas have a go in Toledo. After all, he did hit .359/.405/.503 in 159 Double A plate appearances last season. It seems at least possible the Tigers would decide to let him see what he can do against Triple A pitching. The fact that he's unlikely to be a starter if and when he makes it to the majors would seem to encourage such a move.

If Carrithers does get the starting job, his charge will be getting back to the success he found while in Lakeland last season. His .359/.464/.423 line with the Flying Tigers allowed him to force his way onto the SeaWolves' roster. His luck with balls in play suffered from the promotion (dropped from .408 in Lakeland to .300 in Erie). That and his lack of power overmatched his continued ability to work the strike zone and he will now have to prove he hasn't bumped up against his ceiling in Double A.

Other candidates for the second base job in Erie were Justin Henry and William Bergolla. Henry seems to have settled in as a utility player and since Bergolla hasn't even played since 2008, I don't expect him to step into a starting job.

Toledo

Will Rhymes, Born: 4/1/83, Bats: L

This choice obviously turns on how the second base job in Detroit shakes out. If Guillen proves ready for Opening Day - less and less likely as spring training marches on without him having played - he will get the job. In that scenario, Rhymes would seem to be a more likely candidate for the Detroit bench since he could come in as a defensive replacement or a lefty bat.

If Guillen opens the season on the disabled list, the competition most likely comes down to Sizemore and Rhymes. In Rhymes' favor, you have what seems like a widely held belief that he's better on defense. He's also another lefty bat, better suited for the second spot in the lineup and has shown he can be productive at the major league level.

So why did I choose Sizemore as the more likely winner of the job? I think his track record shows much more offensive potential and when Sizemore is healthy, the difference between his defense and Rhymes' is overstated. I fully admit a bias here.

Rhymes is a player whose productivity is dependent on his batting average. It's been shown time and time again through his pro career that if he's not hitting .300, he's a below average offensive player. Sizemore is better equipped to fight through the times when the hits aren't falling as frequently by drawing more walks and hitting for better power. Given a choice between those two types of hitter, I prefer the guy who can better overcome hitting .260 of .270.

Barring injury, I don't think there are really any other serious candidates for the starting job in Toledo. If one of these two were to suffer an injury, the job would probably fall to a mix of Danny Worth and other previously mentioned players: Brandon Douglas, Justin Henry and William Bergolla.

Summary

I feel pretty good about my picks for this position. I'm most shaky on the West Michigan job - Azcona might actually have the best shot at it - but I feel alright about the other selections. Even if I'm wrong on the other picks, I think the scenario that would cause it is likely found in my explanations.

In the end, though, nobody cares whether I get these predictions right. They care about the Tigers' strength at the position. I think the second base position for the Tigers is interesting. At the major league level, Guillen, Sizemore and Rhymes offer a fair amount of depth and good potential for league average production from the position. In other words, solid contributions without much potential for star-level quality.

Go down further to guys like Douglas and Jones and you see more of the same. Players who have weaknesses in their game, but whose strengths don't force you to regret having them on the roster. While you'd obviously prefer to have a star either at the position or coming up through the ranks, providing a steady stream of solid contributors isn't a bad alternative.

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I still don't see why Rhymes won't play as a UT in the bigs

He can play 2B and CF, and can wing it at SS and 3B if he needs to.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 15, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

The biggest reason would be that Sizemore starts and Santiago/ Kelly are considered the IF backups

at least in the extreme short term. But Rhymes as a utility guy, I agree with. He brings value on the roster as a potential pinch runner as well.

I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

by Tigerdog1 on Mar 15, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can or has?

That’s what I wonder about Rhymes in CF. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him settle in as a nice bench player, though.

by mattintoledo on Mar 15, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Well he has (I think)

And I wouldn’t be shocked if he did a decent job there.

The big concern is the arm, which wouldn’t be overexposed if he stayed at LF, CF and 2B, and a day or two over at 3B or SS won’t kill anyone in the long term. Plus, if he can hit .280 or .300 off the bench, he’d have some decent offensive value.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 15, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we all assume that Sizemore will start the season at 2B?

Sure looks that way.

I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

by Tigerdog1 on Mar 15, 2011 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

So, the question remains whether another IF will be on the bench with Santiago and Kelly

If not, there are 2 OF spots open. Otherwise, just one. I’m not sure I have a strong preference. Seems that JL could take Boesch and get him pretty regular playing time, but if there’s another OF such as Thomas, Wells, or Dirks, then it would be tough to get them all AB’s. That’s why I could see Rhymes on the team along with Sizemore and Santiago.

And that bumps Brandon Douglas to AAA.

I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

by Tigerdog1 on Mar 15, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Kelly thing is totally throwing me off

I cannot make head’s or tails of how to count him, so I have very low confidence in any predictions I could make.

by Kurt Mensching on Mar 15, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had the same thought process and I've settled about here-

Kelly is the extra guy they can carry because they don’t have to carry a spare catcher. While JL has always carried two backup middle infielders, one of them could be an emergency swingman type. With Damon in LF last year, Raburn was that guy for a while. But it’s gotta be someone that can play the middle IF at least in a pinch.

JL made the comment that “I can find AB’s for four outfielders” (but not five- or something like that), so it’s a bit of a dilemma to him as well. Could be that he takes two OF, but then, when Guillen comes back, he’s a pinch hitter/ DH, at least at first. Any way you look at it, there’s an extra spot this year that is there because of not having to carry a spare catcher, at least to start the season.

I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

by Tigerdog1 on Mar 15, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't Leyland say something about how he saw Kelly as an OF?

That would lead me to believe the bench would be Kelly, OF, Santiago, INF.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 15, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay

Here’s Henning saying that there’s one OF spot for grabs.

That’s something, but I could have sworn I read something more blunt.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 15, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kelly is a super utility guy

There is at least one OF spot, plus the starting 2B job, plus one more.
Santiago and Kelly have two bench spots locked. Say Sizemore is starting.
Henning doesn’t know any more than we do, but he’s often willing to phrase his opinions as fact, and he’s wrong as often as not. When reading Mr. H, I look very hard for what is in quotes and what is paraphrased. And even things in quotes from Leyland are subject to change with the direction of the wind.

I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

by Tigerdog1 on Mar 15, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, no, no

Sorry, I was being unclear I think.

The quote was in the vein of “I see Don Kelly as an outfielder, but on this club he’ll also see some time in the infield. That’s what makes him so useful”.

That wasn’t it, of course, but it was a synopsis. If only I could remember where the damn thing came from.

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by David Tokarz on Mar 16, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like it came from me! :)

Tom Brookens said something about a week ago, like “he’s an infielder at heart, but he has taken to the outfield like a pro”. I think the quotes had a few lines about Kelly, how he fit right in at 2B. Or something else…..

I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

by Tigerdog1 on Mar 16, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

inf-of

I thnk that this problem is really no problem as the Tigers have the horses for the scenarios Batter up!

by Da Jonesy on Mar 16, 2011 12:34 AM EDT reply actions  

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