Why Brad Thomas?
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 4, 2011 12:44 PM EDT
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I’ll never get used to Brad Thomas vs. a rookie. I’d rather have Andy Dirks than Ordonez.
I feel when you’re losing by 5-6 runs, you should bring in young pitchers. When a player hits
well in one month to one and a half months in the minors, promote him. The same goes for
pitchers. When you have depth, don’t sign free agents. Make maximum use of DL for injuries
that cause day to day status. Play pitchers who throw strikes. Look for opportunities to play
rookies in blow-outs either way. Promote wherever possible even if it’s a little early.
When they want your player like Granderson change them a lot which they did, congrats.
The same goes for Edwin Jackson, which they did. Congrats again. Identify potential early to
promote based on DL anywhere. Fillers are excuses for an inability to promote early. If they’re
just out of school, sign the non-drafted who throw strikes with a low ERA. Look for close to
.300 hitters with a BB vs. K ratio as close as possible .Look for RBI’s . That’s what Hank
Greenberg wanted.
You always play to win, but you should also look to audition new players for possible
starts. The mind set should always be to win, but with an eye to the future. I always learn
something from watching the WHOLE game. Your comments are greatly appreciated, even if
they’re strongly negative. I always learn something from your comments.
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You can’t use the DL for “day-to-day” stuff. The minimum stay on the DL is 15 days*. Why would you put a guy on the DL when he may be ready in 3-4 days? Doing it just to be able to bring up a minor leaguer so you can see him the Bigs isn’t good resource management.
- - unless dealing with concussion symptoms, there is now a 7-day DL for this, which is a good thing.
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Didn't know about the concussion DL
Thanks for the info.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Ordonez would go there until the weather gets warmer to have a chance to play regularly after that.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 4, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He only needed to miss one game
He is a proven elite hitter, why would you want to lose him for 15 days to “tryout” an unknown when he is only going to miss one game? That one game is why you have a bench. If you bring up someone then you don’t get any playing time for your bench, or do you bring someone up just to sit them on the bench while the bench guy plays? If you do that then you don’t know what they can do in the majors because they are just sitting on the bench.
by wilsonm24 on Apr 4, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd bring up a 13th pitcher right now.
The Tigers need help there. Boesch could then play every day. Last year he hit RHP AND LHP well in the first half. Next call would be Dirks, but Boesch/pitching first.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 4, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
What good does a 13th pitcher do us? We already have enough off days early that we’ve moved a starter into the bullpen until we need a 5-man rotation.
There’s a reason that guys like Boesch and Dirks and others are behind Maggs on the depth chart. It’s because he is a better player. You don’t bench a better player (especially in April) just so you can see what a kid who couldn’t cut in spring training can do.
That was the point of spring training, to get a look at those kids who are coming up and see where they fit in the organization. That they were left in the minors tells us that they don’t have what it takes yet.
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Dirks cut it in ST.
Based on the Tigers pitching, so far, they can use help. #7 in relief, Brayan Villarreal is working so far. A #8 might work too. Boesch is looking much better, but is not playing every day. Raburn was all set, but now it’s a question because of a big miss after a great catch. You don’t know whether they “have what it takes yet.” Dirks and Wilk were lucky just to get to ST. Look what they did. Wilk was lucky to get to Erie last year, which led to ST. You might also say the same thing about Dirks at Toledo last year. Extending a little, they learned about Cole Nelson when he was promoted to Lakeland. There was a reason for the slow promotion of Wade Gaynor, getting used to his wooden bat. Since he finished strong, he SHOULD now be promoted faster. They also will have to determine whether he or Castellanos will eventually be the 3B. More stats are needed. Based on too small a sample, Villarreal might be a starter. The more I see, the better I am able to decide. There’s always a chance for a pitcher to pitch an inning or 2 at a time. There’s no extra room for hitters now.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 5, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Dirks did cut it in ST, you are correct.
But the outfield was a bit crowded after we brought back a PROVEN MLB bat that was (and is) also a fan favorite. When the proven is available, reasonably priced, and WANTING to play for you, you do it in a heartbeat, you don’t risk it on a roll of the dice with gamble like Dirks.
As far as Thomas is concerned, Momo couldn’t have said it better below and I would have said it worse, but I don’t like the idea of predetermining the ceiling for guys like Wilk and Furbush and others who have the ability to be backend starters and relegating them to be mop-up guys. It hurts them, devalues them, and hurts the organization overall. Guys like Al Al and Enrique and Thomas already are what they are, we don’t need to produce more of the same.
I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Apr 5, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Trying(Pushing) Rookies
Look at what the Tigers are gaining from Brayan Villarreal. He and Coke might switch before it’s over. It’s obviously an early mark, but a possible worthwhile one.
I'm not even going to post a response to this article
Damn.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
by momotigers on Apr 5, 2011 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I would appreciate your strongest disagreement.
Then I’ll have a VS. Do you disagree with my comment just above “Damn” about Trying(Pushing) Rookies?
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 5, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem isn't that you don't address the disagreements in your VS
you just reiterate the same thing you already said, then go off in a completely different direction.
If you would address the counterpoints people bring up to you then you would probably get a better response. Instead you just start talking about a potential DL and talk about how much better a guy like Andy Dirks over Maggs because of 30 AB’s he had in ST vs the 13 years Maggs has in the majors.
If you honestly think that a guy that put up a .278/.342/.425 with an ISO of .142 in his BEST year in the minors (at AA no less) is a better option than a guy with Major league career numbers of .311/.371/.510 and a ISO of .199 (even last year he was .303/.378/.474 ISO .170 better than Dirks best year in the mid minors) then you need to figure out what the STATS you keep saying you are using mean.
On a side note, It is so sad that Maggs knees wore out on him so bad. I knew he was always pretty good, but those career numbers are really good.
by wilsonm24 on Apr 5, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Look at Toledo last year for Dirks, not just Erie.
Maggs todat is not the Maggs of previous stats. Dirks, Toledo 2010 was .375/.398/.648 in 88 AB + ST.I assume everyone goes to minorleaguebaseball.com for the stats of every year. I’ve been talking Dirks since 2009 when I met him. The same goes for Weinhardt. Strieby, Rawley Bishop. I also spotted Murrian the same year. We’re talking about going forward with chances for the Kids against a prejudice against the Kids or maybe it’s a prejudice in favor of veterans. I really want to like Kelly because of his Toledo record. However, I’d like to see Worth hit .270. and field like he does. Maybe Worth or Rhymes could match Kelly in the OF in a pinch. If the knees aren’t there, I might have a solution that DIDN’t work for Inge when I described it to Kevin Rand, but might work here. Otherwise, he’s not nearly the player he once was. I never would have paid him the 10 mil. I wonder whether the Tigers would have if they saw Raburn, Boesch, and Dirks as they are now.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 5, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
See this is what I am talking about where you don't address the argument...
You have one sentence about the discussion at hand then go on for 10 sentences that have nothing what-so-ever to do with Maggs or Dirks….
And the one line you post about Dirks proves my point about what you are saying exactly. The numbers Dirks put up in AAA are not even 100 AB’s, that doesn’t tell you anything about what type of player he is other than he had a really good 20 games. He also had a .397 BABIP during that time compared to the .300 or so he averaged the 800 AB’s previous to that. If I have to guess which one is going to be a more accurate representation of what we can expect going forward I am going to go with the 800 AB’s over the 88AB’s. Why you ask? Because it is 10 times as large of a sample size that smooths out any peaks or valleys a player can have at any point in his career.
As far as Maggs not being the ball player of previous… That is why I added his stats from last season, that clearly show he isn’t the same guy he was back in 2007, but he is probably still pretty darn good, and better than what can be expected from a guy that has never had sustained numbers near what he puts up.
Look I don’t know what we can expect out of Dirks in the future. Maybe he turned a corner when he got to AAA and is suddenly the next coming of Ty Cobb (who is probably the closest approximation I could think of to number like Dirks posted in 88 AB of AAA….) more than likely he isn’t. More than likely he is the same guy he has been his entire minor league career. If he is the next coming of Ty Cobb then he will more than get his chance to prove it at AAA while Maggs puts up his career average, or slightly below his career average, numbers in RF for the Tigers. If come June Dirks is still posting a .375/.398/.648 line at AAA then I will be right there next to you screaming that the Tigers promote him and bench that bum Maggs. I have a very strong feeling you are going to be screaming all by yourself though.
by wilsonm24 on Apr 5, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Save your fingers, man.
No sense in getting carpal tunnel over this.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
by momotigers on Apr 5, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Any stats between 50 to 100 AB or 20 inn. tellsyou something.
If the stats are very good, they tell you to follow him more closely for an opportunity to promote. Erie last year, told you to zero in on Adam Wilk. He got to St on a special invite. The same for Dirks. Hopefully, 2010 at Lakeland was the wake-up call for Cole Nelson. You only bench Ordonez till warmer weather. Raburn/Boesch vs. Ordonez is easy for now.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 6, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
If 50 to 100 AB tell you something
Then shouldn’t 800 tell you even more?
As far as benching Maggs until the weather warms up…
Last year in Mar/April Maggs hit .303/.400/.506
In May he hit .326/.406/.457
Why would you bench him when it is cooler, he seems to put up pretty good numbers?
Not if the 800 don’t fit your predetermined conclusion. Then you ignore it.
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by Robocop on Apr 6, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You are basing this on what exactly?
You keep telling me you look at stats… Well I showed you the stats from last year and they clearly show that Maggs is a better option both in the warm and cold weather.
Do you have any other unreasonable reasons why we should be starting a minor league player in place of an All Star?
by wilsonm24 on Apr 6, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
50-100 ABs don't mean anything
Otherwise, Brennan Boesch should have been the MVP last season.
by Rob Rogacki on Apr 6, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hesitate to say it
But anyone else remember Big Red?
"Aside from the stuff I haven’t been diagnosed for yet, I don’t have a problem."- Phil Coke
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by David Tokarz on Apr 6, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
"Aside from the stuff I haven’t been diagnosed for yet, I don’t have a problem."- Phil Coke
Contributor, Bless You Boys
by David Tokarz on Apr 7, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't he the league MVP because
of his 100ish PA’s in 2006?
I guess that proves all of us wrong – CASE CLOSED (hahahaha)!
I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Apr 6, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe you mean
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by Robocop on Apr 5, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
One name comes to mind when the topic of rushing young pitchers comes up...
Jeremy Bonderman.
"All aboard! There is plenty of room."
Brennan Boesch Bandwagon Conductor
As for Brad Thomas...
I think that he has demonstrated that he is a player who can be “abused” (for lack of a better term), and by that I mean that last year he showed that he can be called on to pitch multiple innings on multiple days in any given week… and even step up for the occassional spot start.
That is a good/valuable player to have, particularly if you don’t have alot of time invested in him (with minor league development) like the Tigers do for Villareal and others.
"All aboard! There is plenty of room."
Brennan Boesch Bandwagon Conductor
In my opinion, his time only takes time away from the development of future potential Tigers.
Mop up time is the time to test players with potential in the Minors or Majors like Villarreal, Wilk, L. J. Gagnier, Thad Weber, and even Furbush if he were with the Tigers. Playing time, unless it’s for the win, is a time to test. Enough tests and you can draw a better conclusion. It also prevents panic when a starter goes DL. If a 3B, 2B, or SS goes DL, I’d have no hesitation in bringing up Danny Worth, but as he performs at Toledo, I could bring him up sooner. If the Tigers weren’t locked into VMart, I’d have no hesitation in bringing up Strieby if his wrist is healed. If VMart went DL, Bryan Holaday would be first up if he shows some signs of his beginning at Lakeland because he’s an excellent catcher. You could have set up Villarreal vs. Thomas before Zumaya went DL and Weinhardt was demoted.
Players develop in the minors
the majors are focused on producing now.
by Kurt Mensching on Apr 5, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
But you're talking about replacing established, major league players...
with unknown comodities. With a $100+ million payroll, the major league team has to be able to compete and win games. If not, we’d all be Pirates fans.
"All aboard! There is plenty of room."
Brennan Boesch Bandwagon Conductor
The Pirates haven't been able to draft like the Tigers.
That’s one of the keys for my strategy. We even have possibles like Matt Little, Shawn Teufel, Cole Nelson, and Jeff Rowland in addition to the names I mentioned. Just for fun, look up Jared Wesson and Anthony Shawler.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 5, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
the sole reason the tigers are an above .500 team
is they keep bringing in free agents and making good trades. It has little to do with their actual system.
by Kurt Mensching on Apr 5, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That used to be true--no longer.
Best trades were Granderson for Coke/AJax and Edwin Jackson for Scherzer/Schlerethwhich I described in the Post. Cabrera was also good, but the Tigers wanted him , which was expensive at the time. Verlander, Porcello, Rhymes, Inge, Raburn, Boesch, Wells are all Minors. Therefore you’re wrong on facts. Sorry. For First up in a DL, look at Toledo and Erie. I like you, Kurt, but………
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 5, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
And if you think those guys plus what Detroit have in the system could play 500 ball, you’re truly living in a false world.
by Kurt Mensching on Apr 5, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll only know if they see stats and play them accordingly.
For instance, Holaday could go to Toledo if he hits like he did previously and be first up in a DL You have to plan ahead, if, when it’s a possibility.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 6, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Shawler
So wait…you want all these guys to look up Anthony Shawler’s numbers? What good would that do, considering he was released nearly two weeks ago?
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by Microline133 on Apr 6, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
They're NOT unknown.
They just haven’t been marked “Ready to promote” based on a DL. They should mark some of the fillers at Toledo, “ready to cut.”
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 6, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Until they put up numbers
for an ENTIRE season (not just over 80 AB) they are completely unknown. They have potential but potential does not equal a known quantity.
by wilsonm24 on Apr 6, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Everything and everyone are unknowns
until they have a track record. Raburn, BB, and Rhymes are still unknowns because their sample sizes are still too small or they haven’t done it over an entire season. Just because someone writes their name in a blog doesn’t mean they are the next coming of whoever might not be a rookie that you may like.
By the way, those fillers in Toledo sit on the bench and provide a service to the team – they stop us from putting REAL prospects in those roles, which lets them get regular ABs/starts somewhere else, which is vital for their development. Your buddy Wilk has a shot to be a starter here or somewhere, but if we stop his development to use him in a mop-up role, then that is what he becomes – a mop-up guy. Here, I thought you wanted a REAL shot for him.
I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Apr 6, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Success in a mop-up role indicates ability to pitch more.
Appearances add up to more important appearances, which could lead to starts or a 7th inning role.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 7, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Success in a mop-up role
indicates that the other team has taken their foot off the gas, if anything.
Or in mop roles in the Bigs in reply to Kurt.
In my opinion, you can have a #7 in mop up roles to see. Look at Villarreal so far. There could be Wilk instead of Thomas. Even Ni earned some consideration. I would pick on Gonzalez next. I would never pick on Schlereth, because he has the pitches, while his control improves. I’d like to see a month of Toledo and Erie to make a better decision. I’m betting on what I’ve seen so far including 2010 for Wilk and Dirks. The more playing time I see, Bigs or Minors, the better I can judge. I find , in general, that people are afraid to be different. I’m not.
What you want is strange
I would be VERY willing to read your proposed 25-man roster for today (not in a DL). I’m guessing we’d see a lot of different names than the current 25-man roster, mostly on the bench.
If you just fill your bench up with prospects, they don’t get any playing time. How are they supposed to get better if they’re getting 150 – 250 AB’s per year instead of 400-500? As an organization, you’d prefer your minors to produce every day players (they’re the expensive ones), not a bunch of major league reserves for life.
Let’s just look at the case of Adam Wilk. Sure, we could probably substitute Adam Wilk for Brad Thomas in a heartbeat. Right now, Wilk is part of a Toledo rotation where he’ll take the ball every 5th day and probably toss 160+ innings this year against AAA hitters. That keeps him on the road to a 4th or 5th starter job in the majors at some point (with the Tigers or elsewhere). He remains a valuable commodity as a future starter or trade bait. Put him in the role of Brad Thomas, and see what happens. He’ll get 50-80 innings of work and will be viewed as a fringe major leaguer. He’ll lose prospect status as a starter and be on the road to a career as…well…Brad Thomas. That’s not what we want for our buddy Adam, is it?
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by momotigers on Apr 5, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Many Thanks for the reply.
Cabrera/Rhymes/Peralta/Inge. Raburn,AJax,Boesch, VMart as C with Ordonez/Wells as the extras. Wilk would start in place of Coke with Villarreal as a challenge. Thomas would be gone. Wilk as a starter with Coke in the Pen might be a possible. We don’t have enough facts yet. Next is Weinhardt replacing Gonzalez. The Tigers can determine when on that one. The key is Perry/Schlereth. The challengers from Toledo/Erie are Worth/Sizemore/Douglas/Oliver/Ni/Turner/Weinhardt. Stats tell me when. Stay tuned. Thanks again for the reply. BYB is the best around because of guys like you, Matt, Tigerdog1, Swish, JAYRC, Hack Johnson, and David. There are others too. So far, Boesch, Villarreal, and Cabrera impress. As for Adam Wilk, I just want him to get an opportunity to impress because I feel strongly that he’ll EARN the promotions. Remember, I was one of the few if any, that had him on the radar screen in 2009. The same goes for Andy Dirks. Now I want Brandon Douglas on the same screen.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 5, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Details, shmetails!
I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Apr 5, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Avila as extra C.
Verlander, Scherzer, Porcello, Penny, Coke, Villarreal, Wilk, Schlereth, Weinhardt, Perry, Benoit, Valverde. I’ll be patient with Wilk/Weinhardt vs. Gonzalez/Thomas until I see more of Toledo. Wilk/Weinhardt with the first DL. Villarreal/Wilk, starter or reliever.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 6, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
You can also put Coke back in the Pen and start Wilk.
Just as a real long shot, Villarreal could replace Penny in the rotation.For the person who said that I advocate promotion with no place them, the following are possibilities. Oxspring ans Perez are cut as are Henry and Scram. Pounds tries the OF. IF are tried in the OF too. Brad Thomas is 33, taking up space instead of Wilk/Weinhardt. That’s a start, which stats in the future will determine when. Every game played tells you something about whether to cut or promote. I can’t wait for opportunities to comment on this. “Could” means mark him to take advantage of a DL. Try players, who can hit, at different positions, like Pounds in the OF at Erie to potentially replace Kelly until he hits in the Bigs. Rhymes could also be used that way in a pinch.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 6, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I have such an urge to troll you...
but all I do is fall aslzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………..
oh sorry, but your schtick is tiring.
by madpoopz on Apr 5, 2011 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
+1
"Aside from the stuff I haven’t been diagnosed for yet, I don’t have a problem."- Phil Coke
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by David Tokarz on Apr 5, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, but new/different concepts are difficult.
Just for the record, do you know the “Branch Rickey method be appraising pitchers?”
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 6, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
so you either just told me that the Tigers need to develop their minor league system...
or that we need to sign Jackie Robinson. Based on what you usually mean, Branch Rickey would’ve sent someone to the DL and called up Andy Dirks, correct?
I'm talking pitchers, not hitters.
Hank Greenberg, with RBI as the most important, takes care of hitting. I also love 98BB vs 78K for Jamie Johnson too. The Tigers Minor League system is among the best. Now we just need Mike Rojas to develop them, which I know he can.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 6, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
+2
I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Apr 6, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don't know how anyone can watch baseball for any length of time
and still make so many sweeping conclusions about random one month groupings of stats.
ESPN does all the time!
Free Scott Sizemore*!
*with purchase of a Scott Sizemore of equal or lesser value.
To try to help the Tigers mark players for more playing time.
My favorites are Rhymes, Boesch, and Raburn. How do they do when a hit is needed in a close game?
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 6, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Stephen
you know the Tigers don’t really care what you, me, or anyone else thinks right?
by Kurt Mensching on Apr 6, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
What?!
I thought Will ran straight to DD and told him everything we say!
You have crushed me, Kurt!
I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Apr 6, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe if they listened to him about Strieby
Then we would see 100% Strieby.
Laugh now, but he'll get his day.
Hope it’s with the Tigers. Rawley Bishop wlll be another. See mattintoledo on Erie, which is the BEST Post on the Tigers.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 6, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If he exists.
I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Apr 6, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of them see it though and that's what I'm looking for.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 6, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
and the second they start listening to you
i’m becoming a twins fan
by Kurt Mensching on Apr 6, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And then the Tigers will win the Championship.
Kidding aside, I’m VERY grateful to you for BYB as I am to mattintoledo and t75n. I still have alot of the old Posts, Matt.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 6, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And I quit baseball,
I can watch the Three Stooges instead.
I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Apr 6, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Most people are afraid to.
Also most people don’t know what to look for. I find the same problems for other people in the stock market too. You can carry it to the type of people to hire.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 6, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the worrrst thread evvvverrrrr.
(sung in a spongebob voice)
by madpoopz on Apr 7, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't know
It was good for quite a few greens. This could be the most green’s I have ever seen in a thread..
by wilsonm24 on Apr 7, 2011 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And a lot of laughs.
I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Apr 7, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
This is totally padding my green stats. I feel a little guilty.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
by momotigers on Apr 7, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm rec'ing everything
GREEN THREAD!
by Rob Rogacki on Apr 7, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
4/7/11 to try for 3-3 on the Road.
To be critical and right is one thing. To be critical and wrong is quite another. For all you critics, take note. They brought in Thomas and Gonzalez, 2 mop-up guys, to save a game. They should have left Villarreal in for another inning, because he’s earning it. Right now he’s #4 in reliability behind Valverde, Benoit, and Coke in that order. They don’t want to give a rookie, because he is a rookie, a chance to continue to shine after .2 of an inning. This LHP vs. LHB is overdone when you downgrade overall ability. Looking ahead, I feel Wilk/Weinhardt will be far better than Thomas/Gonzalez. Villarreal already is. Look at Oliver/Turner and Dirks/100%Strieby/Worth last night. If you feel your wrist can’t take it every day, cut down on batting practice or AB’s, Ryan. Everyone knows you’re a hitter. If they don’t, they’ll learn soon enough.
They should have left Villarreal in for another inning, because he’s earning it. Right now he’s #4 in reliability behind Valverde, Benoit, and Coke in that order.
Agreed 100%. Villareal looked great in the 6th and could easily have come back out for the 7th. Brad Thomas shouldn’t even be on the roster.
Well Stephen, we agree
I don’t think Brad Thomas should have been there either. (I might not have gone with Villarreal, maybe Shlereth against the LHB’s).
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
OK I agree with you
Now defend yourself from today? Villarreal came in the 7th and almost blew it. The ball bounces both ways.
And I don’t think anyone here has said that they think Gonzalez or Thomas should be the 7th inning guy…
Congratulations Stephen
You actually really made some good original points regarding Brad Thomas and I would also add E. Gonzalez to your list of guys that should be replaced. Both of these guys have struggled in their time up in the majors and I do agree that we have some good arms in the minors that will/should replace these guys. You may just want to cool it some with bringing up 5+ minor league guys to replace proven veterans, at least for a while into the season. Hell of a game yesterday by Dirks however.
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by Christopher Horvath on Apr 8, 2011 12:02 PM EDT reply actions
Eh
Enrique Gonzalez can munch innings.
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by David Tokarz on Apr 8, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
A complete waste of time vs. innings opportunities for the Kids.
Something should be gained from every AB and Inn. every day. If not, like with Gonzalez/Thomas, you’re actually slowing down a Championship. Obviously this is an opinion. Just look at last year. Without the DL, Rhymes/Boesch/Schlereth/Weinhardt/Wells/Sizemore/Raburn/Worth wouldn’t have gotten a chance. You can’t judge fully without stats.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 9, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Last year Sizemore was the starting 2B and was demoted
Worth was promoted because Everett couldn’t hit, Schlereth was called up in September, so was Wells, Raburn has been in the majors for 4 years, so actually only Boesch and Weinhardt benefitted from somebody on the 25-man going to the DL. Them and Rhymes but Will was promoted because Sizemore was not trusted to handle 2B.
Rhyme was also promoted because Guillen hit the DL
So there’s some truth to what he said there. Agreed on the other parts though.
Great to have you back, a comment other than mine that makes sense, especially on this Post.
How about Danny Worth yesterday too. Hope he battles Peralta AND Kelly. The Tigers DON’t need Kelly in the OF. I’d love to trade Ordonez to have Boesch/Raburn every day. As Worth comtinues to hit, goodbye Kelly. Then we can work on Wilk/Dirks. Congrats DD for giving Villarreal a chance. I’d rather start him than either Coke or Penny. Before the season is over, the Tigers will learn the only free agent they needed was Benoit. If challenged, I could name 20 prospects from the mattintoledo list for the Tigers. Start with Wilk/Dirks/100%Strieby/Turner/Oliver/Furbush/Douglas/Holaday/Worth/Ruffin/Smyly/Castellanos without even looking. There’s a CHAMPIONSHIP there AS they play them..
Are you proposing that the 12 players you listed should be in Detroit this year?
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I bet I know the answer to that,
and if you read the rest of this thread, you do too.
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by 77bestrookieclassever on Apr 9, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
A number will make it based on DL and cuts like Kelly/Gonzalez/Thomas
The best possibilities are Wilk/Turner/Oliver/Strieby/Smyly/Holaday/Worth/Sizemore/Dirks/Douglas. As you follow Erie/Toledo on milb.com, you will find names like Jared Gayhart/Thad Weber/L. J. Gagnier and MANY others that are marked to follow more closely . I’m waiting to find Alex Burgos somewhere. I hope to be in Pawtucket and Trenton to get a closer look.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 9, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Ordonez is still the Tigers' starting RF
And behind him there are (in order): Boesch, Wells, maybe Raburn and then possibly Dirks. Once/if Magglio starts to produce somewhat closer to his career averages the other guys will mostly provide late inning defensive replacements or start when Magglio rests.
As for Thomas I agree that he is the least valuable among the relievers. Wilk on the other hand is a also bit low on the depth chart behind Weinhardt (already up again), Zumaya, maybe even Ni. Furthermore when/if Oliver gets the call he might as well send Coke back to the pen and DFA Thomas.
It’s just not the right time to promote Dirks/Wilk yet. The season is still young
Agree on "the season is long."
My whole purpose in marking them early is to follow their progress more closely and to put new names like Jared Gayhart/L. J. Gagnier, and Thad Weber on the screen. We obviously need much more stats. I’m only impatient with Thomas/Gonzalez, especially when it costs us games too. Ordonez has to go DL or perform poorly for Dirks to get a chance. I’m just prepared. If it were up to me, I never would have signed Ordonez in the first place. If DD paid attention to Dirks last year, and could have seen ST in advance, I’m SURE he would have saved the 10 million. If someone picked up the 10 mil, I’m sure the only objaction would come from JL, who loves veterans, not rookies.
by StephenGrosberg on Apr 9, 2011 10:52 AM EDT reply actions
This is a thread that should just die.
We all know what the response will be to whatever we post here, and while it was fun to egg on for a bit, the bad schtick has no shriveled to the proportion of a raisin that couldn’t pass quality control.
Let’s just let this thread die.
by madpoopz on Apr 9, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I'm done.
I was for the Alexander trade when it happened, and I'd do 'er again!
by 77bestrookieclassever on Apr 9, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
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