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A closer look at Joaquin Benoit's recent struggles

What's wrong with Joaquin Benoit? I don't know if anyone can say. MLB.com's Jason Beck asked the same question today and the responses he had from Benoit and the Tigers were not exactly encouraging.

"If I would know that, I would give you an answer," Benoit said. "I’m trying to figure it out."

One thing both Benoit and the Tigers claim is that it isn't a health issue. Benoit feels like his velocity -- down a bit since last year -- is fine.

Tigers pitching coach Rick Knapp added:

"Is it mechanics? I don’t think it’s mechanics.  think it’s just confidence. Throw the ball down isn’t really something you can think about. You have to leverage it that way. You have to know that you’re going to throw the ball down and not have to think about it. When you have to think about it, then you have a better chance to make a mistake."

So to summarize: It's not health. It's not mechanics. It might be confidence. It might be nothing. But one thing seems for sure to me: The hard hits last night were not exactly flukes. The Blue Jays took advantage of mistakes and made the best. It wasn't just a luck issue.

Naturally I dug into the PitchFX files at TexasLeaguers to look around a bit further.

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As Beck made it clear in his story, expecting Benoit to repeat last year would be naive. He had extremely good results that are almost impossible to duplicate. His batting average on balls in play (BABIP) was an insanely low .192. Talk about batting average and WHIP all you like, you have to begin by knowing that repeating such a low BABIP just wasn't going to happen. Now should it have risen all the way to the .385 it is today? Of course not. Not even with a 19% line drive rate. So is that to say this is luck alone? Of course not. Anyone who watches Benoit can tell things just aren't quite right, and opposing batters are squaring up pretty good at times.

So you have to begin with last year's data to get an idea of what was going right before looking at this season to see what is going wrong.

2010 Pitch info

(Data via texas leaguers)

Type Count Freq. Velo Strike% Swing% Whiff% Foul% InPlay%
Four-seam (FF)
612 64.6% 94 83.4 51.1% 11.6% 25.3% 14.2%
Changeup (CH)
208 22.0% 83.4 64.9% 57.2% 25.0% 16.8% 15.4%
Slider (SL)
123 13.0% 85.8 53.7% 42.3% 18.7% 7.3% 16.3%
Curve (CU)
4 0.4% 84.1 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%

 

To notice here is Benoit throws his four-seamer about 65% of the time and its average velocity was 94 miles per hour. His best pitch for a whiff was his changeup, which got batters to miss one out of four times. The slider, too, got them to miss nearly one out of five times but elicited the lowest percentage of swings. Both pitches were thrown in the low to mid 80s.

And for some visual views, here's what his pitches looked like if you were standing to the side to watch the vertical break, or looking down from above to see the horizontal movement.

2010sidebenoit_medium

2010topbenoit_medium

What I want you to notice is that both the changeup and slider begin breaking sharply about halfway to the plate. The slider crosses at about the 8 to 12 inch level. The changeup almost seems to go into the dirt. The second thing to notice is that the slider typically miss the plate wide to Benoit's left side, or the left-handed batters box if you want to think of it like that.

Benoit in the past 3 weeks

(data via texas leaguers)

Why did I choose three weeks? That's about how long things have been going bad for him, beginning with an April 29 appearance against the Indians.

Type Count Freq% Velo Strike% Swing% Whiff% Foul% InPlay%
Four-seam 66 56.4% 93.3 62.1% 37.9% 7.6% 12.1% 18.2%
Changeup 40 34.2% 82.8 62.5% 55.0% 22.5% 20.0% 12.5%
Slider 9 7.7% 89.1 88.9% 88.9% 11.1% 33.3% 44.4%
Two-seam 2 1.7% 93.3 50.0% 50.0% 0.0% 0.0% 50.0%

 

So to take away in comparison to 2010, his velocity on the four-seamer is down less than a mile per hour. The slider is almost 4 miles per hour faster. He's relying less on his four-seamer than last year and more on his changeup. He's relying on the slider half as much, and opposing batters have been getting great results. (We'll see why soon). And none of the pitches are getting the batters to whiff at as high a rate.

I'd ignore that two-seam data by the way. Something just seems strange on it, probably misidentification.

Here's our side and top views again:

April 28-May 16 Side Views

May2011sidebenoit_medium

April 28-May 16 Top Views

May2011topbenoit_medium

Again, ignore the two-seamer (FT). Recall the slider and changeup did not go through the strikezone before. The slider was missing off the plate to the left side (from Benoit's point of view). Both pitches were crossing the plate around the batters' shins to feet. Now look at the past three weeks. His pitches are all going over the plate. The slider isn't dropping much at all. It appears to be 6 or so inches higher than before.

So a pitch that got 33% of batters to strike out the previous season is allowing them to get singles 36% of the time and striking them out just 13.3%.

Conclusions

So I have to say, I am not quite as convinced it's not something mechanical or injury-related. (By the way: Last night's Pitch F/X data has Benoit changing his arm slot by about a foot to the right (catcher's perspective). I looked at some video and the mechanics don't look all that different to me. I'm not sure if he just moved a bit to the side on the pitcher's rubber. I wish there was better video online to get a better idea.)

As long as it's not injury related, and again they say it's not, Benoit should be able to work through it. Don't give up on him yet. Remember Brandon Lyon had an ERA of nearly 7 in the month of May himself in 2009 before becoming the darling of Detroit by going a few months without allowing a run to score.

Again, looking at the changes in the slider and changeup I think there's a root cause besides "missing his spots." Do I know what it is? No. Maybe it really is a case of trying a bit too hard and overthrowing. That might explain leaving some pitches up and having a slider go straighter and faster. Back to Knapp, who told Jason Beck:

"I know it isn’t because he’s not trying. He’s digging in. He’s looking at tape. He’s trying to feel it, trying to make sure. There’s a fine line between trying to do too much and maybe his stuff dropping off. I don’t think it’s a stuff issue. I think his stuff is fine. I think now we have to get him zeroed in on hitting the glove, staying on the spot, executing the pitch he’s trying to make."

In the meantime, a suggestion? How about letting Benoit try to pitch through this in lower leverage situations, maybe a little earlier in the game. I know the Tigers' bullpen is already stretched thin, so none of the other eighth inning selections are going to make you feel wonderful. But Detroit simply has to get Benoit back on track so the Tigers can lock down the late innings like they expected to.

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great breakdown

The slider location and break really show up on the graphs. Something seems to be amiss with that pitch right now.

Fastball appears to be same average spot, but is getting different results – location average of individual pitches there might be masking a few he grooved down the middle to be crushed. Also has to be averaging balls in-out, high-low that hitters are laying off (21% lower strikes on 4 seam).

Kudos for the research and analysis. I love being a small part of the BYB pitching coach society!

Guillen says‚ "¿Que?"

by 51hr_slurpee on May 17, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Pitching is so psychological

sometimes it is all in the mind or from trying to hard. It’s disturbing to have him in the setup role right now. He might be better off pitching in some meaningless games. Rather him figure it out here than in Toledo.

by jeremy j on May 17, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Perhaps he's overthrowing the slider?

Looks like he’s up just over 3 mph on his slider. CH and FA are both within 1 mph.

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by Matt Snyder on May 17, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Awesome article Kurt

I’m thinking that if we are searching this hard for an “answer” there may be more to this than we realize.
I hope it’s all mental and he makes the adjustments needed, otherwise, it will be a long three years waiting for his money to fall off the books

by Siggzilla on May 17, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I do

But from what I’ve read about the guy, it doesn’t seem like he has an anxiety disorder or PTSD.

If it is mental, Im looking on the positive sides here and hoping its just a confidence issue or that “trying to hard” bit….

by Siggzilla on May 17, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it wasn't

I believe that there was no way in hell that Dontrelle could have maintained that delivery as his body filled out naturally with age. Maybe a wiry 22 year old can wind up with his head a foot and a half behind his center of gravity as he begins his forward thrust to the plate, and come at it all discombobulated in a consistent motion, but put a few Lbs on his gut, and the locomotive don’t move that way. He’s stuck with his weight outta whack. He had to reinvent the delivery that got him where he got, and he couldn’t do it.

I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

by Tigerdog1 on May 17, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

More like he was skinny, and filled out naturally

What was not natural was his delivery, where his high leg kick threw his head way far back behind his body. Not the alignment that they teach pitchers as they start their thrust forward towards the plate. Just my theory. After a while of struggling, he had to alter that delivery, which is still deceptive as all hell, but hard to repeat and deliver the ball consistently for strikes.

I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

by Tigerdog1 on May 18, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

More or less.

His original mechanics were quite effective, but required a gymnast’s amount of flexibility to maintain. Some time last year I started looking at photos from his starts over the years and noticed that, in his good years, his body would lean towards the plate as his leg kicked. Leaning towards the plate with that leg kick gave him really quick arm action, and thus lots of deception, good velocity, and great movement. But I tried imitating the delivery in my backyard, and being pretty out of shape, I couldn’t do it more than regularly without falling over. Driving all your weight forward while your front foot is pointed to the sky is not an easy maneuver.

The pictures in his later years showed that when he leg kicked, he tilted his weight back away from the plate, which kills the good arm action completely. So he either had to try and throw without any stuff, or try and command a delivery he couldn’t do anymore.

by Nick Galea on May 18, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point.

I am all mental and look how I turne…..ummmm Never mind. Bad example.

Seriously, I am not overly worried about him yet.

by Cabbyfan on May 17, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

What really scares me.....

Is that Benoit looks too much like Zumaya. {Especially in this picture} Probably not a factor but if it is, were in trouble.

by Cabbyfan on May 17, 2011 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Leyland has moved Benoit out of the set up role for now, via Chris Iott.

Surfing Instructor: If you get bitten by a shark, you're not just gonna give up surfing, are you?
Peter Bretter: Yeah, probably.

by ivantopumpyouup on May 17, 2011 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you've nailed it

I’m not sure if there is an injury, maybe a back strain or something, or if he’s not getting on top of his pitches, but I think it’s either injury or mechanically related. Hopefully not a serious injury. JB is a stud reliever when he’s on. No better in the league. He’ll be pitching some lower leverage situations for a while, just what the doctor ordered.

I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

by Tigerdog1 on May 17, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Mike Adams

disagrees. He has been destroying guys as a setup man in San Diego for the last 2 years. And he is consistent….

detroitbaseballpage.com

by dbpjohn on May 18, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Adams is a stud too, but in a different league.

I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

by Tigerdog1 on May 18, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

point being

Benoit has been a stud reliever for all of one season. It was the no better in the league when he is on comment that got me. You could say that about a lot of relievers. How about Mariano Rivera?

Just saying. Benoit has been a real average reliever for most of his career. This shouldn’t necessarily be a surprise.

Lets hope he returns to last years form.

detroitbaseballpage.com

by dbpjohn on May 18, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Benoit was also pretty good in 05 - 07

Not lights out, but pretty good.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on May 18, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Benoit will ultimately be fine

But let this be a reminder why 3 year deals for relievers are ill-advised. Their performance fluctuates too wildly.

by ChrisDTX on May 18, 2011 1:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

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