Tigers acquire David Purcey from Oakland for Scott Sizemore
by Kurt Mensching on May 27, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
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PrintThe Detroit Tigers announced minutes ago they have traded second baseman Scott Sizemore to Oakland for left-handed pitcher David Purcey. Keep checking this post for updates. Danny Worth has been recalled from Toledo.
The 29-year-old Purcey has a 3.60 ERA with Toronto and Oakland this season. That is mostly due to the fact his ERA is 2.13 in 12 2/3 innings with the A's while his batting average for balls in play is about .200. But as we know, using ERA for relievers isn't necessarily the best idea. So a closer look at some rates in 2010 and 2011 shows a pitcher who strikes out around one in five batters he faces while walking about one in ten.
Purcey tends to be more of a fly ball pitcher. According to Fangraphs.com, he is projected to finish the season at a rate of a 4.70 ERA (4.32 FIP), striking out nearly a batter per inning while walking two batters every three innings.
Purcey is a somewhat hard-throwing lefty, though he wont' light up the radar guns as impressively as some. According to Fangraphs.com, his fastball averages around 92.5 mph. He mostly relies on that. This season he has been mixing in a slider at around 80 mph 12.8% of the time and a changeup of 83 mph about 6.6%.
Tigers CEO/GM Dave Dombrowski had a couple of quotes already circulating the media.
On Sizemore:
"They could not get Sizemore over the offensive hump."
On Purcey
"We've tried to get David Purcey for a long time."
That's one way of putting it about Sizemore. The theory was that his ankle had not healed completely after a fracture during Arizona Fall League play in 2009, but the 26-year-old did not perform any better this season than last. Sizemore was batting .222 with a .329 on-base percentage, .238 slugging average and 30% strikeout rate in Detroit this season. He batted .224 with a .296 OBP and .336 slugging with the Tigers last year. Most disconcerting might have been the complete loss of power so far this year, though it should be pointed out he had just 74 plate appearances so far in the Old English D.
So we move up to Danny Worth. He is a plus defender and can play three infield positions. But if you weren't impressed with the numbers Will Rhymes or Sizemore put in Detroit, there's little reason to believe Worth should do much better. Even with the Mud Hens he strikes out a lot and doesn't walk much. This is his only season of professional ball at Double-A or above where he's shown any power streak at all, and it's doubtful whether that's going to continue over the long haul. He doesn't exactly hit for average either.
According to David Hogg on Twitter, Dombrowski would not commit to Worth as his second baseman. A timeshare with Ramon Santiago and Ryan Raburn is possible.
So in the end, I am going to call this trade a slight improvement for the Tigers but nothing to really have strong feelings about. Assuming Worth plays second base somewhat frequently at least the defense improves. The hitting couldn't really turn out much worse than we've seen. And Purcey may give some help as a veteran left-hander in the bullpen.
However, I expect people will freak out anyway because that's what fans do.
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I like the addition to the bullpen
but we are not exactly overflowing with 2b options
by Mark in Chicago on May 27, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions
Really?!
Santiago, Rhymes, Worth … none exceptional, but all as good as Sizemore
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by JerseyTigerFan on May 27, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
that's kind of my point
all as good as Sizemore = none are full time ML players (at least at this point). Sizemore, based on his track record in the minors, probably had the best chance to eventually make an impact.
by Mark in Chicago on May 27, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
He showed nothing that would indicate impact forthcoming, to me. And, I don’t want to get into the full-time argument of Santiago, again.
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by JerseyTigerFan on May 27, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
meh
Sizemore is still young and has a better track record offensively than Rhymes or Worth. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say he has the best chance to eventually make an impact. If it’s not him, then who of that group has a better chance?
Don’t confuse this with me saying that he WILL make an impact. I am doubtful that he will, frankly. And I’m not even saying that we have good options at 2b even with him here. We really don’t, we have a handful of AA (maybe AAAA) players. All I meant is that I like that we added an arm in the bullpen, but we still have a hole at 2b.
Also, I agree with you about Santiago. Not a FT player (but a very nice reserve).
by Mark in Chicago on May 27, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's time to accept
that none of our internal options at 2B is going to have a long term, career impact and eventually – during the offseason – we will need to look outside the organization to fill that position. It seems to me that this move signals that belief, but more importantly I like this move because it seems to say that the front office is improving an aspect of the team that will make us better in the moment without sacrificing another aspect.
I wasn’t clear enough about Santiago, I guess. I think he should be our starting, full-time 2B for the foreseeable future of this season.
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by JerseyTigerFan on May 27, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I accepted that a little while ago.
Sizemore was really the only slight hope for a tiny smidgen of something at 2B.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
WOW!
This truly gives new meaning to “Free Scott Sizemore.”
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Scott Sizemore has been indeed freed...all the way to Oakland.
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Dagnabit!
That’s just what I scrolled down here to say
by Twas Brillig on May 27, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
WXYT is quoting..
Dave Dombrowski, saying “Sizemore couldn’t get over the offensive hump.”
Letting Polanco walk looks worse by the day…
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I hope he said that after the trade.
Not exactly the way to sell someone on a commodity.
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by JerseyTigerFan on May 27, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
so they traded away a player who is one of, like, two guys who can play 2b
for their 900th lefty reliever. I never was a huge scott sizemore fan, but jeez. whatever.
I'm right there with you
Another lefty reliever.. sheesh.
by Let's do this! on May 27, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
A's fan here.
So…what’s the deal with Sizemore? Is he anything we should be excited about?
Purcey actually looked pretty decent for the short month we had him (acquired him from Toronto a little while ago). Lefty who averages 92mph and can hit 95, which is always nice. Apparently when we got him, our pitching coach fixed his stance and put him on the other side of the rubber, which fixed some problems he was having.
Also, he has size 18 feet. So there’s that.
You should be as excited about Sizemore
as we are about Purcey.
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by NCDee on May 27, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's been a top prospect
… for a while. But as the GM puts it, he can;t get over the offensive hump. He has flashes of supra-mediocrity, with prolonged spells of suckitude. His defense is a little less than average, and the bat is not very consistent. And without any “special” speed. But he also had a pretty bad injury not too long ago. I don’t know a lot of sabremetrics, but Sizemore is probably at replacement level.
Is this trade works out well for the A’s, I still don’t think it’ll be this year that they reap the benefits. I don’t expect a hell of a lot from your guy either.
Wow, then he must have a really big
pair of shoes
by Mark in Chicago on May 27, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked him
No plus tool, but good tools all around. His minor league performance suggests that he should have hit better in the majors, and scouts liked him. Of course, he’s sucked in the Show.
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by David Tokarz on May 27, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Kurt is on a roll when it comes to personnel matters
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Has power and some speed upside
But hasn’t translated well to the bigs. Rakes in AAA though. Who knows, maybe a new hitting coach can help him figure it out.
Fixed
maybe anewhitting coach can help him figure it out.
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by JerseyTigerFan on May 27, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
this is not a lloyd issue you guys
get off the meme. Some position players are just going to be good in the minors and not in the majors because not everyone is going to succeed in the major leagues where the game is just so much tougher. Detroit never bothers to find good position players for their minor league system so it’s not a surprise when most of the ones who they call up are not very good. They just weren’t good players to begin with.
by Kurt Mensching on May 27, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, very true.
But Grandy couldn’t hit lefties until a new batting coach taught him how to fix his swing. Now he’s destroying.
Granted, Granderson is much more talented than Sizemore.
So maybe a bad comparison…. so what about Cameron Maybin? Finally looking good while in San Diego.
From what I've read, what the Yankees did with Granderson, the Tigers kind of did with Peralta
In both cases, the team noticed a mechanical flaw in their swing and (two months into this season, so take this statement with caution) they’re both hitting better than they have since 2008.
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by SabreRoseTiger on May 27, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I said that in the podcast this week.
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by David Tokarz on May 27, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't necessarily think Sizemore was bad
I think that part of the issue is he’s only had 237 PA’s in the majors. I would have liked to of seen him get more than a 1/3 of a season’s worth of PA’s before calling him no good and getting rid of him after all, maybe he’s a Raburn type of player and gets better as the season goes on.
I’m not a huge Sizemore fan but at the same time he didn’t get a whole lot of time to show what he can do.
by Let's do this! on May 27, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Good news... I can only assume this means we will never see Brad Thomas again.
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by tigers22 on May 27, 2011 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i think i figured it out
First Furbush, now Purcey. DD is trying to assemble a bullpen with players with last names that sound like lady parts
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by rock n rye on May 27, 2011 4:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's a shame Will Cunnane isn't still available.
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You are the last person I would expect to make that joke
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by David Tokarz on May 27, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes my inner frat boy appears.
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i will be disappointed if he doesnt come out the bullpen to a Prince song
Ooooooo Purcey control!
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by rock n rye on May 27, 2011 4:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How about the song...
“First I Look At The Purse” by the Contours (and later very-ably covered by the one and only Nashville Pussy)?
by frisbeepilot on May 27, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Boog Powell?
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by 77bestrookieclassever on May 28, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the Tigers are getting tired of these guys not panning out
We saw this with Wilkin Ramirez a year or 2 ago. They gave Scotty multiple chances to be a starter here.
The only thing that sucks is that it seems like we could have got way more for him the last few years at the deadline when he was considered more of a “top prospect”
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Does this mean Brad Thomas is gone forever?
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That's a plus.
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by David Tokarz on May 27, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't get it.
This one is going to bite us in the ass. I just feel like Leyland was never going to like this guy, at least Tinkerbell isn’t coming back up, but I don’t get this at all. It’s not like Purcey has been a lock down reliever. I’m just baffled.
I'm worried too
However, we need bullpen help now, and if Sizemore does flop the trade’ll look good.
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by David Tokarz on May 27, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If Guillen is going to be their savior, they're in for a world of hurt.
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He will be
But just for 3 weeks, then he’ll be back on te 60 day DL with an infected hangnail
Guillen was just moved to the 60-day DL
so this move would be a bit premature in preparing for his return
by Mark in Chicago on May 27, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably, but not necessarily
He’s already been on the DL for almost 60 days.
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by SabreRoseTiger on May 27, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
can that be done retroactively?
kind of like time served?
by Mark in Chicago on May 27, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yes it can
but it was also said guillen’s at least six weeks away — and we know guillen so probably more. I’d project him no sooner than August myself.
by Kurt Mensching on May 27, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're being generous in predicting August
Your 2k11 Detroit Tigers "AL Central Division Contenders" So get over it.
Sizemore is given up on with only 200+ at bats… but Inge with over 4,000 at bats is still kicking.
Give Santiago a legit chance to take the 2nd base job. Or wait till Gullen gets healthy. HAHA.
SMH.
by wennington on May 27, 2011 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It'll probably be a Worth/Santiago jobsharing agreement
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by David Tokarz on May 27, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
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Jobshare between Worth/Santiago/Raburn.
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by David Tokarz on May 27, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, since Worth can play third
maybe this is, or will become, the plan
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by JerseyTigerFan on May 27, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
They better do something with Inge by Wendesday if this is the case
Once his 10-5 rights kick in, he’ll be here until his contract ends. That’s a lot of money to pay a bench player.
by Let's do this! on May 27, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
so one more season?
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Kelly can play 3B also
Yet he’s not been given the job.
I don’t expect a much better bat from Worth than I would from Kelly. Danny Worth is no savior at any position unless he takes his glove to SS where it will make a much bigger difference and Peralta moves to 3B or 2B where his bat will make a much bigger difference.
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So in the end, Dombrowski essentially flipped All-Star Placido Polanco...
into All-mediocre David Purcey.
Kill me now.
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Ouch
when you put it like that it hurts really bad….
It was DD's perverbial finger
Just stabbing to reminding you that Al is right—-they let Polanco walk for essentially Purcey
That’s just brutal
I need to do a fan post, but it's irrelevant after today
Letting Polanco walk for Sizemore was not a bad decision at the time, in my opinion. It stinks now, but remember the circumstances.
You have a position player in the minors who has progressed well, is in his mid-20’s, plays 2B, and has shown a fair glove, good pop, and great avg./obp skills. He’s just completed a good season at AAA and was named your minor league player of the year in 2009. By all accounts, this guy is ready for the show.
At the same time, you have an aging veteran who is a pending free agent. He looks like he would accept arbitration, for probably 7M or so.
I realize that Polanco was a solid player and has continued to be, but this is the ideal situation, as an organization, to let a guy walk and promote the kid. If you continuously sign veteran FA players for big bucks when you have what many would consider a “sure thing” prospect waiting in the wings, your payroll will quickly escalate to about 220M.
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by momotigers on May 28, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You’re missing more than $10M in that equation.
by SpartanBoiler on May 27, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
But they spent $8M to sign Johnny Damon
Which was $2M less than Polanco ultimately signed for per season with the Phils.
The Tigers were going to cut costs…then changed their mind after Polanco left. It’s either awful planning, or a bad use of available resources. Actually, it’s both.
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Wasn't the Damon signing Mr I's move?
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by SabreRoseTiger on May 27, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
From my understanding
So was the Polanco not getting re-signed.
by Let's do this! on May 27, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So if Danny Worth is taking Scott Sizemore's spot on the roster...
Don’t they still have to make room on the 25-man for David Purcey?
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Follow-up trade?
Furbush and Wilk to the Mets for Carlos Beltran!
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by David Tokarz on May 27, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
definitely not enough to get Reyes, but Furbush and Wilk could do really in the NL
by Mark in Chicago on May 27, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're overvalueing reyes
If they dont trade him then all they get is a supplemental pick….Rees willgo cheapert han people are estimating, especially since Wilpons latest remarks said he won’t be there next year anyway
1 blue chipper and 2 fringe guys or two B prospects will be more than enough
I'll trade you Inge
for another one of those Oberon mini kegs…
Like I said
Bells doesn’t distribute to NYC. And what would i do with Inge?
You could...
….use his bat as a swizzle stick. Pretty sure that’s why miggy makes the front office keep him around…big stirrer for big scotch and soda
You guys do know that Inge gets his 10 and 5 rights sometime next week?
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by SabreRoseTiger on May 27, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I read that....and suddenly had a chill go down my back.
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But honestly
who on earth would want him??? It’s not like they could’ve moved him before the rights kicked in anyway, due to the fact that he’s…well….bad.
The tigers were trying to give him away on waivers last year and no one would take him for basically nothing.
i dont think thats the case
Pretty much the whole team gets put on waviers after the non-waiver deadline. They did it, like they would do with any other player to see if there is interest. If there is, try to work out a trade. If not or if they do not like the trade, they pull him off
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by rock n rye on May 27, 2011 6:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and he can't be traded without his consent until June 15 anyway.
As a signed free agent. At least I’m pretty sure that clause kicked in once he filed for free agency and then was resigned.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I just think it's kind of odd that they haven't announced the move yet
Or maybe they don’t have to until Purcey gets to Detroit?
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by SabreRoseTiger on May 27, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
They're not going to announce the move until they figure out how they're getting Purcey on the roster.
More than likely gonna be Gonzalez. They have to send Wilk down for Oliver’s start tomorrow, so they’d need to make another move. I can’t imagine they’d send anyone else down besides Gonzalez, especially after yesterday.
Good point. Gonzalez is like a right handed Brad Thomas.
2 guys I wouldnt mind never seeing in Detroit ever again.
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I wonder if Tigers fans will ever get over their Polanco complex?
I’m guessing not.
One thing that occurred to me today, which worries me a little about Sizemore. Yeah, he sucked, but it took Avila 133 games of .710 OPS type suck before he turned into the super awesome Alex Avila we know and love. Sizemore was sucking more than that, but the point still stands. I could see this turning out to be like the Cody Ross deal, where the position player eventually emerges as a decent player and the reliever (in that case, Steve Colyer) is just all kinds of useless.
Avila has a BABIP situation that may hurt him soon
And he was also full of suck last year because he was basically learning how to play catcher on the fly.
Cather On The Fly…. Did Salinger write that?
Sizemore needs a new start to figure it out. I don’t think he was going to magically become good while in Motown.
BABIP isn't that high.
Avila’s obviously not a .914 OPS guy, but he’ll still be well above average once he regresses.
He's projected to be at WORST league average
So that’s great because he’ll be a slightly above average bat and a plus glove/arm. I’m into it.
VOTE AVILA 2011!!
Power will drop
But still.
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by David Tokarz on May 27, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The only time I felt good about Sizemore this year was his first game up.
After that it was the same awkward at bats I saw last year. Trade is a plus in my eyes. We needed more help in our pen obviously, and we will see how Scotty does on the A’s Triple A affiliate. Best of luck to him though… Can we move Avila up in the lineup now?
Avilla or peralta
one of those two needs to be batting third..it’s not like miggy is gonna outrun either one of them
Both
How many quality AB’s do those two need rack up before they get bumped up in the lineup. Im sick of Miggy leading off innings..
Well, Boesch has to bat 3rd because then he'll get good pitches to hit and be awesome!
/fallacious Leyland reasoning.
Speaking of guys we should be trading for mediocre relievers….
Boesch needs to move down in the order
NOW. Need a guy in the 3 hole who has some plate discipline and who is able/willing to see some pitches.
+1
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by David Tokarz on May 27, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
OK
CF Jackson
C Avila
SS Peralta
1B Cabrera
DH Martinez
LF Dirks
RF Boesch
2B Raburn/Santiago
3B Inge
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by David Tokarz on May 27, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sick and tired of Ryan Raburn.
He shouldn’t be played until late season, when he remembers what that piece of wood in his hands is for.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
June is rolling around
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by David Tokarz on May 27, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand why the implementation of a lineup like this hasn't taken form
Its all about who’s swinging the hot bat. I feel like it hurt Sizemore by JL continually placing him in the 2 spot when it was obvious he was pushing. Just my opinion. Now Raburn hitting 3rd in the place of Boesch tonight, right? Dont get it.
This isn't that big a deal:
doesn’t make us better at the plate, doesn’t make us better in the ‘pen. Happy to be done with the Scott Sizemore experiment, which didn’t seem to be going anywhere. Other than that…meh.
by (The)BallDontLie on May 27, 2011 5:16 PM EDT reply actions
From @PhilCokesBrain
I heard we traded for Purcey. Dave’s working on acquiring all the Thomas the Tank Engine characters for our bullpen. Nice!
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Well, with Danny Worth back with the team it opens up a new fake Twitter account
DannyWorthsChin
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by SabreRoseTiger on May 27, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm I don't really like this.
Chicks dig me, because I rarely wear underwear and when I do it's usually something unusual
I'd have to go with indifferent myself
wasn’t a huge Sizemore fan. But if Purcey gets rocked in his first appearance with us (which is pretty much our luck)… I’ll be a little pissed
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And then there were none.
Not one 2B prospect that has a chance to be major league average at the position.
I hate this trade. They’re giving up on Sizemore too soon. His numbers, offensively and defensively, are the equal of what Polanco’s numbers were at this stage in his career.
The decision to not offer arbitration to Polanco is now officially recorded as stupid.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
What's weird is that I seemed to remember being one of very few around here who wanted to offer arbitration to Polanco at the time
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by SabreRoseTiger on May 27, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
we were an endangered species
Your 2k11 Detroit Tigers "AL Central Division Contenders" So get over it.
Really?
I was all over DD’s case at the time, although I was certain that he would not make the offer. He had zero room on the payroll until he made some moves to clear payroll room.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
i think more wanted him to go than stay
I was not one of them however. Something about Polly’s ages and signing him for more than a yr or two. Now it does look bad, what are the Philly’s giving him? 6M a yr for 3 yrs? For the crap we have we could have easily paid him. and he’s doing real good at 3rd too…
Your 2k11 Detroit Tigers "AL Central Division Contenders" So get over it.
And I remember a lot of people thinking the Phillies overpaid for him
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by SabreRoseTiger on May 27, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well people obviously think
that the minors just shit out .300 hitters that can go a whole season without an error at second…
There sure are a lot of those players floating around..
Not just a lack of errors either
he also had very good range to go with the no mistakes.
by Griffin Fraley on May 27, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
depends. Some folks were worried about age.
Others knew DD never offers arbitration, ever. If no deal was made before arbitration, Polanco was going to be let go.
I really liked P-Squared but Dombrowski was cutting salary and took a risk hoping to fill 2B internally. The situation isn’t good but the Tigers also hold onto players like Ryan Raburn for dear life.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
I don't like it either.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not in love with Sizemore…but a handful of games in the majors to make this assessment? Countless prospects tread water for months or even a couple of years before emerging. If the return were something useful, then fine…but Purcey seems like just a guy to me.
I think this move speaks volumes about the state of the organization. Teams with few holes can bring along a young player over the course of a year or two. Teams with aspirations of competing but also possessing a roster resembling Swiss cheese cannot afford to do that.
The latter engage in ad hoc straw grasping.
No, that was already stupid.
Now Obi-Wan’s (DD’s) failure is complete.
"What does a momma bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? - NO CUBS!" - Harry Caray
by 77bestrookieclassever on May 27, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
2B and 3B look like giant chasms at the moment.
And Ryan Raburn is proving to be about as good as the K car series.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
I do wonder
They gave rhymes half a year PLUS the start of this one….and Scotty has been shipped with under 200 AB???? C’mmmmmmaaaan…..
Way to sell while His value was sky high too—seriously, why did they even take him out of the minors now? He was worth double while down in toledo
Even Up ?
As you I also do live in the Bay area as well and yet I am a Tiger fan through and through.I have followed Sizemore career and it seemed as the Detroit mangement soured on him last year after he did’nt show much when he became there starting second baseman. Defensive wise last year he had little range because of an anke injury in winter ball , but this year I think it came out that his hands were lacking so to field the position. By the way last year when Detroit sent him down to the minors he did hit well but they also used him as a DH as well as a third baseman as well. Even though he showed well in the minors the did bring him up twice but he was more or less a bench player. As for the pick up I think that the A’S mangement is and was looking for a replacement player for Ellis next year only because he is also having some problems hitting this year and his next year contract would be higher then what they would be willing to pay him next year. Some how some way this maybe be a mistake on the A,S mangement because even if he does not hit above 250 this year his fielding is still good enough for a plus 3 games this year and it has always seemed that he was also always able to get a few key hits every year as well.sonally I think that the A’S WILL BE MAKING A MISTAKE if they cannot find a way to keep Ellis on there team because what he has done as well as what he could do over the next 2 to 3 years. As for the pitcher that Oakland traded to Detroit I do not think that you could still rate him as one of there top twenty pitchers including some of there minor league pitchers. As for Detroit is concern he appears to be better then Gonzolez . He seems to be a okay pitcher but I feel that what he has shown he is at best a AAAA type of pitcher. Yes is one qulification that he does have today is that he has had major league experance with Pitsburg as well as the back end of Detroits pen. My advise to the A,S mangement is that they should try to resign Ellis before turning over the position to Sizemore because he will cost them a few games next year if he becomes there startng second baseman next year.
by Joseph Ciappara on May 27, 2011 6:13 PM EDT reply actions
Oakland is hoping that Sizemore puts something together.
Low risk trade where the A’s gave up a bullpen body for some perceived upside. If it doesn’t work out, oh well. The A’s didn’t give up much nor did they take on salary.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
i'm thinking this could save the season
sometimes i think the front office is manned by monkees.
by Charlie Mcgeehan on May 27, 2011 6:13 PM EDT reply actions
Mickey, Mike or Davy never
Peter — maybe.
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
I See This As Just The Beginning Trade, The Big One Is Yet To Come
I hope the Tigers get a good player if / when they trade Furbush. I really like what I have seen & I think he has more to offer the team as a Lefty Reliever than Purcey.
I think the Tigers will be trying to trade any combination of these players to try & fix a hole or two:
Boesch
Dirks
Wells
Furbush
Wilk
Perry
So, what hole do they fix? One week the Starters are Great & the Pen Sucks, the next week the Starters Suck & the Pen is Great.
The Offense, your guess is as good as mine. Some times hot, some times not.
I don’t remember Dave making a good trade in the middle of the season for the Tigers, They have all flopped. I would be watching for a trade with the Texas Rangers soon.
by TigersFan1957 on May 27, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Take A Look At The Rangers Disabled List
Beltre, Omar SP Mar 22 60-Day DL Recovery from back, ankle surgery
Feldman, Scott SP Mar 22 15-Day DL Recovery from right knee surgery
Hunter, Tommy SP Mar 25 15-Day DL Strained right groin
Hurley, Eric SP Apr 23 60-Day DL Skull fracture/concussion
O’Day, Darren RP Apr 27 60-Day DL Torn labrum, left hip
Tobin, Mason RP Apr 20 60-Day DL Right elbow inflammation
Webb, Brandon SP Mar 22 60-Day DL Recovery from right shoulder surgery
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/tex/roster
They have many pitchers on the list & we have some to trade away (and Nolan Ryan would love a couple hard throwing young guys to help coach along), if offered the right player. Maybe even another multi team trade, who knows, maybe I’m just dreaming again.
by TigersFan1957 on May 28, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
uh huh?
So Rhymes is our answer at 2nd base? I don’t know that trading away potential for a negligible arm is a good idea.
Thanks
Still, I do hope Guillen comes back sometime soon and ends this farce. Even if it is temporary.
Wow
After reading this twice and making sure my feelings were correct, I agree completely. This is, indeed, a farce.
Yesterday, I could give two shits about Guillen coming back. Right now, it sounds wonderful.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
I don't get it
It seems like the official position of this blog is going to be “Stop crying, stupid fans,” but I still don’t get this trade.
I get the frustration with Sizemore. I still don’t get this trade. If Purcey was a Grade B reliever I’d be fine with it, but he looks more like a Grade D reliever.
DD gambled and lost with Polanco
If you have ever traded stocks for your IRA, not every company you buy makes money. If you think every trade or decision DD makes should work out, then become a stock broker and you’ll be retired in two years living on a yacht just off the the beach of Monte Carlo. DD has made some impressive trades and yes some bad ones also.
I have faith in the Ilitch ownership of this team. Ken Holland is one of the best GM’s in hockey. I do not believe that the ownership of this team would expect anything less from its baseball team. Yes, the Sizemore experiment went bad, but I blame bad luck (ankle) and Sizemores failure to even make it out of spring training 2011 as the starting 2nd baseman more than I blame DD.
The organization had gave Sizemore the ultimate vote of confidence when they let Polly go, Scott just could not handle opportunity all minor league players dream of.
"But the point is, finger-pointing is just what sports fans do when something doesn't go right." -- Kurt Mensching
by RealityIsOptionable on May 27, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions
Sizemore write off?
Pounds the cover off the ball under the tutelage of Bull Durham Come to Detroit and sucks. See any connection? Seventeen games. Is that a fair assessment? If so what is Inge’s excuse?! Sizemore will hit for Oakland. Purcey is a journeyman pitcher at best and will not help out much. At the moment they have Schlereth, Wilk, Furbush and now Purcey from the left side in the pen and that is too many lefties, Perry is the one that should go to the farm when Oliver comes up on Saturday but it will likely be Wilk. Purcey needs to get put on the 40 so it would appear that Gonzalez will get released for good this time. Could there be more trades coming as early as after the game tonight? Stay tuned!
the connection
he cant hit major league pitching
"I'm a simple man. I like pretty, dark-haired women and breakfast food" - Ron Swanson
Bye
Recently said I saw little difference between sizemore and rhymes. So trade doesn’t bother me
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An impatient optimist not a patient pessimist
I have been a JL defender for a while,
but I’m done. His hatred of Sizemore cost us knowing whether or not he could have handled this job. This team just lost the only legit shot at an AT LEAST average 2B within the organization, and got back yet another LOOGY. My confidence in this team is in the shitter, and DD and JL just took away my TP!
SCOTT SIZEMORE IS FREED!!!! He is now free to come back and haunt us. He is now free to get a real shot from a manager that doesn’t hate him. He is now free from the shadow of Polanco. He was basically free to the A’s.
Scott, you are now free to be what you are, an average MLB 2B. Congatulations! The team that let you go still doesn’t have one.
"What does a momma bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? - NO CUBS!" - Harry Caray
by 77bestrookieclassever on May 27, 2011 11:08 PM EDT reply actions
Sizemore got a shot
two of them actually. He didn’t do shit in either of them. Baseball is a real game played by real people and sadly many prospects who hit in the minors never do anything at all in the majors. Sizemore looks bad in the MLB game and will almost certainly never turn into an average player.
by Kurt Mensching on May 28, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
For the sake of this trade, I hope you're right
But with only 237 PAs, mind you that’s over 2 seasons so that’s not even all together, I’m stick with it’s WAAAAAY to early to say he will “almost certainly never turn into an average player.”
This is terrible to bash the guy with only 2 chances on the major league roster and so few PAs. I’m not a huge Sizemore fan but we need to be realistic it’s not like he’s been Brandon Wood or anything!
by Let's do this! on May 30, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Rayburn as second baseman
What has happened to Jim Leyland? He said at the beginning of the season if he didn’t produce he would be gone! How in the world can he hope to produce with Rayburn as second baseman ? In fact in my opinion there is no place on the field to hide
Rayburn’s incompetence. I don’t think this team can be consistent with Inge and Rayburn in the everyday lineup. The only thing consistent about this pair is their strike outs. Didn’t they both get extensions this year? Talent pool must be pretty thin if this is the best the Tigers can do. Maybe this all that the Tigers will give him, if that be the case he should resign instead of letting the these guys determine his future .
R-A-B-U-R-N!!!!!
"What does a momma bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? - NO CUBS!" - Harry Caray
by 77bestrookieclassever on May 31, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
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