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Detroit Tigers rumors: Derek Lowe grabs attention, Carlos Beltran still on the board

Let's get this out of the way: I don't give a hoot where Derek Lowe is from. All this "Michigan native returning home" stuff drives me batty. Franly I'd rather have a Venezuela native, those seem to be working out pretty well for the Tigers. Anyway, now that I've got that off my chest ...

Multiple media outlets report the Tigers have rumored interest in Braves starter Derek Lowe. Naturally this starts with Jon Paul Morosi of Fox Sports. The man is a rumor-collecting genius.

The sources indicated that the sides have not had serious talks, and Lowe’s high salary could be a big barrier for Detroit. He is owed roughly $6 million over the rest of this season and $15 million next year.

But the Tigers have made a starting pitcher their No. 1 priority, and the price in prospects for Lowe would be much less than the acquisition cost on Colorado ace Ubaldo Jimenez.

Well, maybe that's who Al Avila was on the phone with during yesterday's game! Or maybe he was ordering pizza. I wouldn't want that Little Caesars stuff either, Al.

When I see "Lowe is owed $15 million next year" my first reaction is "AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE" by the way -- much like my reaction to Little Caesars. But maybe I'm wrong there. On Lowe, not the cardboard pizza. Who wouldn't want to pay a 38-year-old righthander whose ERA hasn't been under 4.00 in the National League in three seasons $15 million? It's like the hometown discount in reverse!

Of course, if the Braves paid a sizable portion of that, asked for some C-grade prospect and maybe included a nice New York style pizza, we could talk. Lowe's K rate is 16.7% -- up slightly over last year -- and his walk rate is 8.5% -- also higher. His BABIP is in line with what you'd expect based on the previous two seasons. His ground ball rate of 60% sounds awesome until you remember the Tigers infield stinks. The bright side is that Lowe seems to be limiting home runs and would likely continue that in Detroit.

I checked out what SB Nation Atlanta had to think about this, and, er ...

Derek Lowe is currently the worst pitcher in our starting rotation

Ringing endorsement, indeed.

So Lowe probably wouldn't be my top choice. With this team, only strikeout artists will do, frankly.

My ranking of rumored names: Ubaldo Jimenez (pipe dream obviously), Hiroki Kuroda, Wandy Rodriguez, Derek Lowe

Star-divide

Tigers, Giants favorites for Carlos Beltran?

Joel Sherman of the NY Post reports that if the Mets are willing to move Carlos Beltran's salary in exchange for a lesser take of prospects, only two teams seem viable trade partners: San Francisco and Detroit. (Via MLB Trade Rumors)

Sherman wrote:

Beltran clearly is a better alternative since he can hit in the middle of any team’s lineup. But when outside executives were asked if they saw any teams willing to take on most to all of what is left on Beltran’s contract, the only two named consistently were the Giants and Tigers. But, again, the Mets could not then expect a significant prospect return.

Conversely, if they were willing to eat a large amount of dollars, then suddenly even payroll-challenged teams such as the Indians, Diamondbacks and Pirates would be in play.

So make of that what you will.

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To be fair

Worst starter in the Braves rotation is a solid 3 or 4 anywhere outside of Atlanta or Philly. Still that contract…eww.

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by rock n rye on Jul 17, 2011 11:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i don't think he is better than Penny or Porcello

But he’s better than Oliver and Furbush. Just not adding tons of payroll better.

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by rock n rye on Jul 17, 2011 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jackson's injury

makes the Beltran rumor make some sense. Not sure exactly how he fits with a healthy Jackson…I assume they would want to use Carlos in CF which would put Jackson on the bench as a defensive replacement or in Toledo when healthy.

With his -1.0 range component of UZR…that could make for some interesting outfield D when paired with Magglio and Boesch.

Lowe seems like a horrible idea unless they require minimal compensation both in terms of prospects and money.

by BayesLaw on Jul 17, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Lowe

While everyone seems to be against getting Lowe, I really want to seem him on the team. In September and October last year he went 5-0 with an ERA of 1.17. He has had experience pitching in the AL as well. Not only that he was 0-2 with a 2.31 ERA and he as career 3.21 ERA in the postseason. The Tigers need a vet with good post season experience.

by Sacfly69 on Jul 17, 2011 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Beltran a lot...

But still don’t see how trading for him improves the team substantially enough to part with what would be required (salary or prospects) to get him.

He would replace Jackson, Boesch, Ordonez, or VMart in the lineup. He would be an upgrade for all but VMart, but by how much?

If you were making the deal with the intention of flipping an OF for a SP or 3B, then I can see where it makes sense.

Lowe doesn’t make sense, you either need to trade for a top of the rotation stud (and give up the farm) or a rental 4th/5th starter. Not a bottom of the rotation guy with a contract that expensive.

by ejallstar on Jul 17, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Tigers show interest in Derek Lowe? Is it 2006?

It’s not? Then I’m not interested. Why the Tigers are baffles me.

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by BigAl on Jul 17, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

If you were the Rockies...

Would Porcello, Boesch, and Oliver be enough to pry Jimenez away?

by ejallstar on Jul 17, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Furbush, Below, Turner...

Unnamed rental… Ride the hot hand for the last 10 or so starts you need out of a 5th starter.

The payoff of a 3 man rotation of Scherzer, Verlander, and Jimenez for the playoffs is worth it.

by ejallstar on Jul 17, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jimenez isn't a rental

He’s under contract until at least 2013.

by Rob Rogacki on Jul 17, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you traded Porcello...

who would be your 5th starter? That is what Oberon is asking.

by ejallstar on Jul 17, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'll say this

the trade rumors this year are incredibly wacky

I Like Pie

by mrsunshine on Jul 17, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Forget about Lowe. A pitcher who is heavily reliant on ground balls won’t have much success with the Tigers infield.

by LPanas on Jul 17, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Paging Rick Porcello

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by David Tokarz on Jul 18, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like Lowe...

If we had infield defense. 60% gb rate isn’t too bad. He’s a 4 at best though.

by JWurm on Jul 17, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

lowe

For Lowe, how about Igne, Clete Thomas plus 5 million.

by stash44 on Jul 17, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

correction

On my last post, we get the 5 million.

by stash44 on Jul 17, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

beltran

watching olney,hes saying the mets are willing to eat some of his salary,with cleveland being in on the talks too.i do agree sp is the biggest need but we have to give the beltran trade serious consideration to keep him outta cleveland,just wondering,could we pull of a trade for a sp and a separate one for beltran? do we have enough prospects? the mets want a top tier prospect.

by tigerfaninboston on Jul 17, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't mind Lowe

With his salary, I think he would come fairly cheaply as far as prospects go. He’s an upgrade over our current 5th starter situation despite the fact that our infield is nonexistent. And David’s head wouldn’t have to explode because he would probably prevent a late season Jacob Turner call-up.

by Rob Rogacki on Jul 17, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

the problem would come next year

when he was eating a chunk of payroll, the third highest paid player on the team and little more than a fifth starter

by Kurt Mensching on Jul 17, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only question is whether he limits spending in other areas

If yes, then it’s a bad deal. If no, then it doesn’t really matter.

by Rob Rogacki on Jul 17, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course it limits spending

I’m sure there’s a budget. Lowe = 15M of said budget. It would prevent a signing…or late season flexibility.

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by momotigers on Jul 18, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

aj

if aj hits the dl i think the beltran trade will heat up.

by tigerfaninboston on Jul 17, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Pizza! Pizza!

Respect the Hot ‘n’ Nasty! $5 gets you dinner, guy. I know, I know, you’ll say “yeah but I prefer my pizza to have sauce and cheese on it.” To you I say “fair enough.” We all go there knowing it’s not the Congress, or Patsy’s, or Ray’s Famous.

That cardboard garbage allows us to pay guys like Sheffield one hundred billion dollars a year to hit .225! Support your team.

PS- I feel like when I was a kid Little Caesars was WAY better (everything seems that way, doesn’t it?)…their standard pizza was essentially deep dish and it came in that huge rectangle cardboard flat tucked inside that greasy paper bag. Nowadays you have to order that type of pizza specifically or you’ll end up with a Hot ’n Nasty.

by SkylineSeats on Jul 17, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

It's probably the worst pizza in the area

But its honestly not bad if you only eat it every now and then. Cheap as hell too. The thing I like least about the H n’ R is the ad campaigns that little caesars keeps putting out. Terrible commercials.

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by SonataArctica on Jul 17, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Little Skeezers

Wow, I just realized that it’s been at least 15 years since I had any Little Caesers. I remember it being OK, but part of the terrible pizza baseline that’s just accepted in Michigan — even out here in LA, the pizza’s better.

There’s a LC right next to where I go get my photos processed, and there’s almost always a sad teen out there spinning a banner to try to lure folks in. Maybe I’ll give it a try the next time I’m over there — it’s only $5 and it probably won’t kill me.

by Joshsteich on Jul 17, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope and Nope

Let’s use our money or prospects on something that will upgrade the team a great deal. I say we go with the rental…either at 3B or SP. If you can’t upgrade big at 3B or SP, stick with what we have and keep the farm system and budget in place. We’ll still make the playoffs this season and we’ll be even better next year.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Jul 18, 2011 1:13 AM EDT reply actions  

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