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Cale Iorg, playing his way out of the Tigers' plans, loses starting SS job

Hyped 2007 third-round draft pick Cale Iorg hit a big road-block to his major league future when he recently lost his position as the Mud Hens' starting shortstop to Argenis Diaz. Iorg you'll recall once wowed scouts and team officials alike. He's been called a four-tool prospect. Jim Leyland called him an upper-echelon prospect; Dave Dombrowski said he could be an all-star -- "very soon" -- back in September, 2008.

Woulda, shoulda, coulda, didn't.

The 24-year-old Diaz has now passed the 26-year-old-to-be Iorg on the depth chart. On Saturday, Diaz started at shortstop and Danny Worth at third base. Iorg will now be Toledo's utility player, getting time at second base, third base and outfield, in addition to shortstop.

John Wagner of the Toledo spoke with Hens manager Phil Nevin and interim director of player development Kevin Bradshaw about their plans for Iorg and had a lenghty post at his Coop Scoop blog today. Essentially the pair say the Diaz has earned the chance to start. Iorg just has not produced. The Tigers aren't giving up on him by any means, but he's going to have to earn his playing time.

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Wagner quoted Nevin:

"Cale is going to start working at different spots. Right now he's working hard at playing second base and a little third base, and he's working on some things in the cage with [hitting coach Leon] "Bull" Durham that we think will help him, trying to create a little spark."

Wagner wrote:

Both Diaz and Iorg came to the Mud Hens this year with the same reputation: Both were above average defensively, but both struggled at the plate. Diaz entered this season with a .263 batting average in the minors and .242 in the majors (in 22 games for Pittsburgh last year), while Iorg had a .228 mark in three minor-league seasons.

But Diaz has hit well this season, batting .310 in 61 games with a .381 on-base percentage.

I wondered if this wasn't  really a case of the Tigers wanting to see Iorg at second base and third base more often, as those are positions currently with little depth. However, when I checked with a source it was confirmed Diaz has surpassed Iorg in the Tigers' eyes. So it doesn't sound like we should expect Iorg to join the Tigers any time soon -- unless he starts hitting consistently, anyway. If anything, Diaz and Worth can both play third, and Worth can play second.

So it sounds more like the continued slow, sad downfall of Iorg. That's really unfortunate, too. Shortstop is such a difficult position, and an expensive one to try to fill by signing a free agent or making a trade. Being able to put a player with Gold Glove caliber abilities there with a bit of pop in his bat would have been real nice for the Tigers. But now you struggle to find any reason to get excited about the organization's prospects at the position.

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Iorg was enough of a prospect even at the beginning of this season that my son’s got his autograph from TigerFest.

by johnmoz on Jul 18, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds like the next logical step

is to trade him for a middle reliever and then watch everyone go “What the hell did we trade Iorg for? That guy was a star in the making!”

by Rob Rogacki on Jul 18, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

This was the case..

…with Scott Sizemore. It won’t be for Iorg. Can’t be out of organized ball for 2years like he was to be a Mormon missionary and then expect to pick right back up where left off. He will be an all field no hit Adam Everett type his whole career now

by BengalsNme on Jul 18, 2011 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Josh Hamilton begs to differ

Well, Hamilton wasn’t exactly a missionary, but he was out of ball for a long time.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Jul 19, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of similar to...

…what happened to Chuck Long with the Lions. His agent ruined his career before it started by holding him out of his first training camp for the almighty dollar. he never got it together as a result. Without that I really think he may well have been special

by BengalsNme on Jul 18, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Wayne Fontes ruined Long's career.

But that is a discussion for another thread.

"What's a dazzling urbanite like you doing in a rustic setting like this?" the Waco Kid

by 77bestrookieclassever on Jul 18, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Your agent holding out for more money is the same is being a Missionary for two years?

Huh. I kinda had those pegged as opposites.

by Big Z in Orlando on Jul 19, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Empahsizes the lack of solid middle infielders in the whole system

Doesn’t look like we have a two way 2B or SS anywhere – not MLB, AAA, or on down. Yes Peralta was an AS based mainly in his hitting, but he’s no two way stud. After years of having few C or 3B prospects in the system, we seem to be loaded with those now. Why don’t they balance out the needs even a little bit?

by MR_AZ on Jul 18, 2011 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Any GM or scouting director that drafts for need should be fired

Out of a cannon. Into the sun.

Talent is talent, and especially in the MLB draft, where it’s a total crapshoot after the supplementals (and enough of a crapshoot in the first and supplemental) you don’t spend picks on middle infielders solely because the farm needs middle infielders.

"Aside from the stuff I haven’t been diagnosed for yet, I don’t have a problem."- Phil Coke

Contributor, Bless You Boys

by David Tokarz on Jul 18, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

not quite my point

I’m not suggesting that since the tigers don’t have talented middle infielders in the system right now that they need to focus a draft on that, but rather they need to remember that there are 9 players on the field. It seems they ignore the middle infield as a drafting philosophy and have done so for multiple decades. The last major league regular middle infielders I can recall being drafted were Inge and Travis Fryman and both had to move off of SS.

by MR_AZ on Jul 18, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Castellanos technically a SS?

I know they moved him to 3B right away, but I believe he was drafted as a SS.

by Rob Rogacki on Jul 18, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Also remember that good middle infielders are hard to come by. Daniel Fields- drafted as a SS but forced to move. And I’d say that the Tigers do draft tons of MI, it’s just that none of them pan out as starting caliber players.

"Aside from the stuff I haven’t been diagnosed for yet, I don’t have a problem."- Phil Coke

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by David Tokarz on Jul 18, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

HEY!

My cannon is not a plaything!

I have a grand idea: let's win a game.

by 13194013 on Jul 19, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is meant to sound negative or short-sighted

though I know it will come off that way.

But has Dombrowski drafted and developed any positional talent since he was hired? Granderson, I think, is the only one. I could be wrong I guess.

DETROIT RED WINGS – "war were declared"

by Eric @ PRBU on Jul 18, 2011 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

oh god

I meant to say “this is NOT meant…”

DETROIT RED WINGS – "war were declared"

by Eric @ PRBU on Jul 18, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

apologies

of course Avila. I actually meant to put him in with granderson…I swear….oh you don’t believe me….well i did…..

but is that it? two?

DETROIT RED WINGS – "war were declared"

by Eric @ PRBU on Jul 18, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boesch?

Not to mention that early in his career, DD seemed to strike it gold with minor signings and transactions (Craig Monroe was good for a while, Marcus Thames was always productive, Placido “acquired for a machete wielding maniac” Polanco). That and we’re always producing solid fourth outfielders and backup utility guys (which actually has value- not signing bench players in free agency probably saves us 3-4m a year).

My point is, that I don’t think the Tigers have a bad player development record with position players. I sure as hell wish it could be better, but given what Detroit has had to work with in the position player department (and our tendency to deal away prospects as well) I wouldn’t complain too much.

"Aside from the stuff I haven’t been diagnosed for yet, I don’t have a problem."- Phil Coke

Contributor, Bless You Boys

by David Tokarz on Jul 18, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is much eaiser to trade for positional talent than it is for pitching.

"But the point is, finger-pointing is just what sports fans do when something doesn't go right." -- Kurt Mensching

by RealityIsOptionable on Jul 18, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats true

but his pitching drafting hasn’t been all roses either. Verlander, Turner, maybe Oliver, Zumaya while he was healthy. Although he did leverage miller into a trade for cabrera which has worked out sort of good, i guess…. :)

DETROIT RED WINGS – "war were declared"

by Eric @ PRBU on Jul 18, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Porcello too

I haven’t written him off yet. I think he will still be pretty good.

DETROIT RED WINGS – "war were declared"

by Eric @ PRBU on Jul 18, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's at least a four starter which has value.

"Aside from the stuff I haven’t been diagnosed for yet, I don’t have a problem."- Phil Coke

Contributor, Bless You Boys

by David Tokarz on Jul 18, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He leveraged a lot of guys into a trade for Cabrera

As far as I’m concerned, all six of those guys were worth it.

by Rob Rogacki on Jul 18, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I don’t even remember any of them except maybin, miller, and rabelo. I guess maybin’s having an alright year, but everyone else has been awful. I can’t believe there were people that said the marlins won that trade.

DETROIT RED WINGS – "war were declared"

by Eric @ PRBU on Jul 18, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Joyce

= Edwin Jackson + Curtis Granderson = Max Scherzer, Daniel Schlereth, Austin Jackson, and Phil Coke

"It's 4th and inches and the Giants are going for it. You gotta love sports!"

by BSells12 on Jul 19, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Iorg

If I had that talent I would go in the cage and not come out till I could hit, one way or another. Not even talking power just average. .250 or .260 means millions.

by Tim 34 on Jul 18, 2011 10:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't care what any of you say.

Cale Iorg is my spirit animal!

I have a grand idea: let's win a game.

by 13194013 on Jul 19, 2011 2:23 AM EDT reply actions  

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