Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: The Most Dangerous Division in Sports

On a day with rumors swirling, what is the best idea to put the Tigers over the top?

Today has been filled with a constant stream of rumors connecting the Tigers with multiple different pitchers. With the exception of Ubaldo Jimenez, this has been a very unexciting group of guys. Looking at the rumors, most of the guys don't represent going 'all-in' for a world series trophy, as Mike Illich desperately wants, or making a major attempt at keeping DD in the D. People are complaining about Jeremy Guthrie, stating that his ERA is showing that adding him would do nothing more than duplicate Brad Penny's starts. These people usually go on to state that we should overspend on Ubaldo Jimenez, who, don't get me wrong, would be one amazing addition. However, he would require the entire basis of our farm system. The Rockies would undoubtedly need Turner, F. Martinez, Crosby, Castellanos, etc. I'm sorry, but that is not even close to being worth it. We would be better off saving the farm and finding some other guys else to fill the voids at SP and 2B/3B. I have put together a couple of options that would probably help this team for this year, as well as the next few.

Option A) 

 

 

Taking on all of Beltran's salary will allow for us to buy lower, but he will have to play center in order to allow Boesch and Ordonez to still play every day. Moving Guillen to 3B and calling up Rhymes would allow us to fill the 3B void and give us a leadoff hitter in Rhymes. Acquiring Wandy gives a very good pitcher to take some stress off of Scherzer and Porcello, and give us a much better rotation. Now, assuming that you didn't leave when you saw "Call up Jacob Turner", i will say that he will pitch out of the bullpen, in low-stress/mop-up roles in long relief. This gives him experience, as well as gets him comfortable in the Bigs while limiting his innings-pitched. I believe that Beltran has a clause in his contract that states that if he is traded, the acquiring team cannot offer him arbitration after the season. Should that be correct, Jackson comes back next year having worked on strikeouts and getting on base at AAA. Should that not be correct, and we re-sign Beltran, he moves to LF, allowing Jackson to come back into CF and Boesch to play his natural position of RF. Having not given up Francisco Martinez in the Wandy or Beltran trades, we give him a September callup and give him the starting job next year while allowing Guillen to go. These moves would result in a lineup of Rhymes, Boesch, Ordonez, Cabrera, Martinez, Beltran, Guillen, Peralta, Avila. It also gives us a rotation of JV, Wandy, Max, Porcello, and Penny. Turner would solidify the 'Pen, and if need be, we call up Ruffin. This results in an excelent rotation, lineup, and a much improved bullpen.

 

Option B)

 

 

Both Headley and Harang are having good seasons, but historically are mediocre players. Harang is benefiting from pitching in PETCO, and Headley benefiting from an absurd .381 BABIP. Harang would have the chance to continue the success that he is having in pitcher-friendly CoPa, but I cannot see Headley continuing his success for the rest of the season. Personally, I would rather save the likes of Oliver and Villarreal for a more productive trade, as this one would not likely put the Tigers into a position of being the division favorites. This trade would result in a lineup of Jackson, Boesch, Ordonez, Cabrera, Martinez, Peralta, Guillen, Avila, Headley. It also results in a rotation of JV, Max, Porcello, Harang, Penny, which is really no better than it is now. The 'Pen would not get any better.

 

Option C)

 

  • Send Charlie Furbush, Wade Gaynor to the Orioles for Jeremy Guthrie
  • Send Daniel Schlereth to the Rockies for Ian Stewart
  • Send Adam Wilk to the A's for Brian Fuentes

This one would be, in my opinion, the third best option. I really like Stewart, because I believe that he really needs a change of scenery. Guthrie is another guy that is probably a Brad Penny clone, but could give us strength for the rest of the year pitching out of Camden Yards. Fuentes would help the bullpen, as he could take more pressure off of the younger guys currently at AAA (Perry, Schlereth). This would result in a lineup of Jackson, Boesch, Ordonez, Cabrera, Martinez, Peralta, Guillen, Stewart, Avila. It also results in a rotation of JV, Max, Guthrie, Porcello, Penny, with an improved 'Pen with the addition of Fuentes. 

 

 

Option D)

  • Send a minor league pitcher and/or position player to the Braves for Derek Lowe

I am not even going to elaborate on this one. All that I am going to say is that this better not ever happen.

 


Option E)

  • Call up Jacob Turner
  • Call up Will Rhymes
  • Move Guillen to 3B
  • Convince Brandon Inge to retire

This scenario was put together with the idea of saving the farm and preparing for next year while not completely giving up on this year. If Jacob Turner is given the shot to be the #5 starter this year, he will gain enough experience to know what he is dealing with next year when he is handed a starting spot out of spring training. Also, allowing Rhymes to play everyday at 2B gives him the opportunity to settle in and hold down 2B while preparing for Francisco Martinez to play 3B everyday next year. Should Rhymes play well and get on base consistently and Turner pitch well, we will still have a great shot at contending. This saves our farm and lets a few young guys get ready for a pennant chase next year. This results in a lineup of Jackson, Rhymes, Boesch, Cabrera, Martinez, Ordonez, Peralta, Guillen, Avila. It also results in a rotation of JV, Max, Porcello, Turner, Penny. The 'pen remains the same.
My favorite of all of these options is option A, with the fallback being option E. Nobody likes the thought of conceding a pennant race, but I don't picture E as a concession. I view it as saving our weak farm while making us stronger for next year and still giving us a chance for this year. Turner can't have as mediocre of a season as Harang and Guthrie are going to have, so therefore there is no reason to give up prospects. As you can see, almost all of the scenarios included "Convince Brandon Inge to retire". I'm sorry everybody, but he is done. Following his third strikeout last night, you could see it on his face. He may retire, but he will stay with the team as a special adviser or front office guy in order to stay around the game and remain with the Tigers. I like the idea of giving Rhymes the time to play, because of his great play last year as well as his great play at AAA. Now, as i finally wrap up this 1300 word FanPost, I will state that my lineups are not necessarily how I would want them, but rather how JL would fill them out. Boesch needs to bat 3rd, theres no way around that. But I digress.... Which option would be better now and in the long run for the Tigers and their World-Series deprived owner?

Poll
Which option would be better now and in the future for the Tigers?
Option A
47 votes
Option B
18 votes
Option C
25 votes
Option D
12 votes
Option E
35 votes

137 votes | Poll has closed

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Bless You Boys writing staff.

Comment 22 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Option F

Do nothing keep all your chips for the off-season and next season. I feel there are two many needs to push us to elite status starting pitcher, 3B, 2B and OF (I believe can filled from the farm). I remember the past few 2nd halves, and the big trade deadline deals kills, plus we need to continue to fill the minor league ranks. Also, anyone notice we had our best run of the season without Mags, Inge or Guillen?

by Striped_To_Impress on Jul 18, 2011 8:54 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I agree with this.

Unless someone wants to give us a starting pitcher or position player for a low end prospect or two.

I think we have enough talent on the current 40 man roster to win the division and maybe go to the World Series. I just don’t think we have the starting pitching to win the World Series. The Giants and Phillies having incredible pitching. It might be a few years before we can compete with them because of our lack of play-off experience.

In the AL play-offs, we can beat the Yankees or anyone in a 5 game series if we have Verlander for 2 of those games. A 7 game series will be very challenging, but not impossible given that all the AL contenders (NY, Texas, Boston) are somewhat light on starting pitching also.

I’m expecting Scherzer and Porcello to turn the corner again and finish the season on a high note. Problem is they both lack the Big Game play-off experience that those other teams have. We just have to build some experience for now without selling out the future.

by Keith-Allen on Jul 18, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Playoffs

While teams that have three good starters are generally in great shape for the playoffs, short series are rolls of the dice. I bet that no team has a 2/3 chance to win any baseball playoff series going into it.

Look at some of the teams the Red Sox lost to at the start of this season.

Look at the 2006 Cardinals.

That said, you may be right about having the talent to get to the playoffs as is. That alone is a reason to avoid trading Turner, or F. Martinez for a rental player.

You know I'm right about this.

by HighOPS on Jul 18, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure what Rhymes does here...

Rhymes gives me the impression he works hard. He deserves September call ups and to be on the hotline when Tigers have injuries.

But, he has no power and I’m not impressed with his defense. I’d rather use Guillen or hope Raburn hits.

You know I'm right about this.

by HighOPS on Jul 18, 2011 9:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

But, to answer the question:

Here are my favorite scenarios-

A. Pick up an inning eater with a 4.5 ERA and a third baseman.

B. Blockbuster for a pitcher who is not a rental.

You know I'm right about this.

by HighOPS on Jul 18, 2011 9:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

OPtions

I don’t see Bruce Chen in any of the options and this Lefty that has played for 10 teams IS available if Domrowski and KC agree to an intra division trade. I know the Tigers have smacked him around a bit in his first year with KC but he is actually having a third or fourth starter type season pitching averaging at least 6 innings in all 11 starts. He might be relatively inexpensive and a nice veteran presence.

by Jim Bunn on Jul 20, 2011 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Bruce Chen, throughout his career, just hasn't been very good.

Plus you’re trading within the division, a difficult prospect at the best of times. There’s no real reason to target Chen.

I have a grand idea: let's win a game.

by 13194013 on Jul 20, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

opions trade with the A ORDONez for brain fuentes next trade james shields for penny from the bullpen and rayburn villareal // rondon crosby next trade beltran for furbrush //oliver //daniel schlerth cale iorg next deal ian stewart for inge and we pick up next year saliery and low a player

by kwfords on Jul 20, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

THERE GOES THE FARM

Our farm is already weak (not as weak as people think), but we would literally have nothing left after all those moves.

by Striped_To_Impress on Jul 21, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pitching and Hitting are keys to winning games! combination; should be equal.

Tigers have enough pitching no problem yes, at time the pitching goes ray but overall tigers pitching is B+. Now, as far as, hitting goes rating of C the avegage = [ C+] different story,for one thing they strand too many men on base[ key] for decades ok.so to have the tigers over top must be every year the quation must include pitching and hitting,either tigers have good P and no H or we have great H but no P so thats fact! except, 68,84 even 2006 so! when the tigers wree clicking on all cylinders!

by alklyne65 on Jul 21, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

You're right about both pitching and hitting being important

You’re wrong about which one we have covered.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Jul 21, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

I dislike something in all of these. I want nothing to do with Lowe, Fuentes or Harang, you’re giving up WAY too much to bring in Wandy, and bringing up Turner is a terrible idea right now.

Lowe. His numbers are not terrible this year and he is realistically the best choice among pitchers you have listed. The biggest issue I have with this is that I just don’t see it happening. If memory serves me right, haven’t we been in play for him the previous two years also? I just really don’t see it.

Fuentes. This may just be personal bias more than anything, but I just don’t like him. He reminds me a lot of Todd Jones and Fernando Rodney in non-save situations. He’s shaky and will make your heart race until the last out. I just don’t want that.

Harang. He’s lucky he’s pitching in Petco. His .286 BABIP is well below his career .307, he possesses a 77.8% LOB, he is a full K\9 below his career average to go with about a .5 BB\9 higher. His FIP and xFIP are respectable at 3.74 and 3.91. His GB% is way up, 4.2% as a matter of fact and his HR/FB% is down nearly 3%, but again he is in Petco.

Wandy. He’s a good pitcher, but he’s not worth what the Astros will be asking for. He owns a 3.92/3.56 FIP/xFIP despite having an 80.7% LOB. He possesses a .314 BABIP, which is almost right in line with Porcello and I believe that is the best comparison. We also cannot forget the numbers he’s put up has been in the lowly NL Central where the Cards and Reds have been nothing what was expected.

Turner. If we bring him up and he has a terrible outing you’re going to kill his confidence. I am absolutely positive that we would have another Andrew Miller on our hands or at the very least Porcello or Oliver. We need to let him to continue to develop into a better pitcher before bringing him up.

by Let's do this! on Jul 23, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

None of the above

A- Too much for Wandy
B- Headly would be nice at 3B, and the package works, but Harang solves nothing.
C- Like Guthrie and the package, but I’m not a Fuentes fan. Prefer Weurtz.
D- Lowe could work out, but ATL would have to eat more of his salary than they’re willing to do
E- Leave Turner alone, leave Guillen at 2B and Wil in Toledo. Pass.

C would be the best option. Guthrie is a decent No. 3, tho don’t need Fuentes.

I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

by Tigerdog1 on Jul 23, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

"I’d probably get arrested because football’s my only time I get to go out there and hit people as hard as I can, and it’s legal," Follett said. "I need that once a year."

by Rick Chaffee on Jul 24, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

One combo that may work

is Guthrie and Uehara, for Furbush or Oliver and a young reliever.

I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

by Tigerdog1 on Jul 24, 2011 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Wake-forest-logo_small
Is Austin Jackson a top-five center fielder?

Recent FanPosts

Small
Is Prince Fielder earning his keep?
Small
Reading the Detroit News comments section on Tigers stories
Small
All-Time Tigers Team
Small
A Sunday with Dan and Jim
Small
2012 Detroit Tigers Draft Question
Amrita_rao_small
Elvis Andrus and Jurickson Profar
Img_1374_small
Scary moment for ex-Tiger Will Rhymes
Small
Austin Jackson: A mid-May appreciation
Tigers_logo_small
Advice on tickets, pre-game

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Yahoo_full_count

Quick Rules

Do:

  • Treat others like you'd like to be treated.
  • Stick to the topic being discussed.
  • Make arguments based on facts, not emotion.
Don't:
  • Confuse BYB with talk radio, your blog or your social networking web site of choice. We're a baseball community.
  • Feed the trolls.

Commenting Code of Conduct


Managing Editor

Dsc0178-l_small Kurt Mensching

Deputy Editors

Meatcomputer-1_small BigAl

Sparky_anderson_wall_small Rob Rogacki

5532934019_b5fa57ae98_small allikazoo

Contributors

Good_to_great_leadership_image1-262x300_1__small Tigerdog1

Suss_small Matt Sussman

6m2bts_small Melissa Heyboer

Moderators

Be050826_small NCDee

Sifl_and_olly_small 13194013