Detroit Tigers Rumors: Erik Bedard worth the risk?
Seattle -- yes, this is Mariners Day at Bless You Boys in honor of their losing streak being 5 games longer than Detroit's worst in 2003 -- will send Erik Bedard to the mound on Friday for his first start since a knee injury in June. The Tigers, like several teams, will be watching to see how he does. He's intriguing in that he could be really good -- or he fall to injuries yet again. If he stays healthy, it's a giant boost to whatever team took the risk.
When healthy, the left-handed Bedard was quite effective this year, like he has been in much of his career. He had an ERA of 3.00 -- xFIP of 3.30 and SIERA of 3.23 -- in 15 starts. His strikeout numbers are nice at 8.50 K/9 (23.5% K/PA). His walks were fine at 2.60 BB/9 (7.2% of PA). However, ZiPS does project him to have an ERA in the upper-3s for the rest of the season. Obviously, that's still an upgrade.
However, Bedard is not without risks. He's been on the DL four times with the Mariners since 2008 and started no more than 15 games in 2008 and 2009. In both of those seasons, he didn't pitch past July. He hit the DL with a torn labrum in his shoulder in 2009, and didn't pitch at all in 2010. So honesty, we're in pretty uncharted waters right now. The good news is that the upper half of the body seems to be fine. The bad news is that the lower half is now the issue.
Like Jarrod Washburn in 2009, Bedard's knee is causing problems. Unlike Washburn, the issue wasn't due to growing pain. Bedard hit the disabled list retroactive to June 28 with a sprained left knee. The issue with that is that the left leg is the push-off leg. So you've got to hope the knee is fully recovered and that Bedard does not suffer any pain in the final two months that could render him ineffective.
Bedard has not made any minor league rehab appearances since the injury. He did throw 40 pitches in a simulated game. Friday, he will be on a pitch count as well, Mariners manager Eric Wedge said.
Bedard is not expected to come at a real high price in terms of prospects, due to his injury history and free agency. I think the real risk is in opportunity cost. If you trade for him, you probably aren't going to be trading for a backup plan as well. If he does fall to injury, you'll have to look back at your internal solutions or attempt to make a waiver trade before the end of August.
Jeff Sullivan wrote at Baseball Nation:
Suddenly, then, Bedard starts to look like a real intriguing potential addition. An addition with obvious risk, yes, but an addition with game-changing talent. In Bedard, you could have a guy who gets hurt and misses the rest of the year, but you could also have a guy who pitches like an ace for the next two or three months. Bedard was already pitching like an ace for two months before his season was sidetracked by a minor injury, so who knows?
Is it worth it? I don't know. I don't think anyone will know before he's on the mound Friday and without a thorough review of his medicals. Since we're not privy to that part, we'll just have to wait and see.
Sullivan:
Are there any front offices out there who're game for such a high-risk/high-reward investment? I'm not sure, but we'll find out soon.
Well, if any will the Tigers would.
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I like the possibility, but not the probability that this is what we need
Would DD bet his job on a pitcher that has thrown as little as Bedard has over the past few seasons? I don’t think so. If at all possible, why would he not bet on something surer, even if it means dealing a better prospect away to get it. At a minimum, we need someone to fill the five slot for the balance of this season and win about every other game. They MUST be able to eat innings and get us past the weak middle relief corps in the bullpen.
I like Bedard, and I wanted DD to sign him this past winter, before he got Penny, and Bedard went back to Seattle on a minor league deal for just $ 1 million plus incentives ($ 6 million worth, possibly). He could be huge down the stretch, or he could be a total bust. I’d rather give him a shot than Harang or Vargas, but I’d also rather have a Fister, Guthrie, or Kuroda.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Fister and Furbush on the same staff
would be an epic mash of names.
Charlie Sheen Night at CoPa: everyone has their Tiger Blood and Coke is a free mixer.
by Siggzilla on Jul 26, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remover the last injured player we got from the M's...
It did not end well.
Charlie Sheen Night at CoPa: everyone has their Tiger Blood and Coke is a free mixer.
Bedard is too big of an injury risk.
Bad idea; he already went down with an injury this season.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
If we don't have to give up much, why not take a chance?
by Bret Boone's Farm on Jul 26, 2011 2:41 PM EDT reply actions
Because it might leave us no better than we are!
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Is it worth what?
I’d trade Brandon Inge for him if that’s what you’re asking.
Not clear what the M’s want, but if you can get a high end #2 pticher at a low cost, the ‘risk’ of the opportunity cost of a more reliable #4 type is worth it.
To me, he’s the prefect kind of acquisition. He has the upside to be a high end playoff starter. If he doesn’t work, you can still pitch guys like Below in the 5 spot. Not to the worst thing in the world.
This
If the Tigers can’t get an Ublado or Shields (or possibly Kuroda), then they might as well take a chance on a guy like Bedard.
If he’s healthy, then the trade is a win. If he’s healthy half of the time, then it would pretty much be a push with a guy like Guthrie. That’s really your decision between Bedard and Guthrie/Harang: can Bedard make seven or more starts?
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What's the price though?
Is it similar to the Washburn package, or is it Oliver +?
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by David Tokarz on Jul 26, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not even close to Oliver for just Bedard.
Probably even less than Washburn, because Bedard is on the DL as of a week before the deadline.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
if you want those guys to start
then getting bedard isn’t going to be a problem. if he gets hurt, you’ve still got those guys. if he doesn’t get hurt he’s clearly better.
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 26, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Bedard
Low end prospects like they used to get Betemit? Then yes. But no more than that.
The problem is not cost in prospects, or in salary
the problem is opportunity cost if Bedard gets hurt, which he has been every season since forever.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Please explain
Are you saying we should just get CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee instead? If so, I am with you.
by Bret Boone's Farm on Jul 26, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
no, he's saying getting Bedard means we didn't get Guthrie.
Or some other mid-rotation starter who isn’t going to get hurt. We only have room to acquire one starter.
Yes.
Because of the injury risk, if the guy we trade for gets injured, the purpose of trading for a needed player is defeated.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
However
If the cost for those mid level guys is too high, and it always is a week before the trade deadline, and you don’t want to give up the cost then trading for Bedard for a few minor prospects is a very good move.
Even if you do trade for one of the mid level guys, the risks in acquiring Bedard are minor because you are trading for him as a luxury instead of a necessity. If he is healthy then you relegate one of your other starters to the pen and improve your middle relief corps and starting, and if he is hurt then you can bring the guy back out of the pen.
For the cost that Bedard is going to be, there is really no reason not to trade for him.
Do it in a heartbeat
He shouldn’t cost much of anything, so the prospects given up wouldn’t really affect our chances of nabbing a more solid frontline starter before the trade deadline. And we wouldn’t be saddled with any contract reverberations next year?
I’ll take a no risk/high reward proposition every time.
Oops wrong hole!
Fister Below Furbush
I’m not too keen on Guth or Harang….looks more like Penny type
Bed should come cheap and we also pull Harang as insurance.
Personally I rather go for broke and go after Garza, Shields, or Kershaw….(on the market for the right price) yeah they’ll cost Turner and more but… having that one two punch….we go from pretenders to contenders
As good as it gets
Jackson CF,
Boesch LF,
Ordonez RF,
Cabrera 1B,
Martinez DH,
Peralta SS,
Guillen 2B,
Betemit 3B,
Avila C,
Verlander P
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
JV and Raburn-less
The Tiger lineup cannot look better.
"i think it will be mostly feast the rest of the year,"
Now THATS a lineup
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by DetroitSports on Jul 26, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
What's his contract situation?
Not that it matters too much, but what kind of money and years are we looking at? I know he signed a big contract not too long ago.
The Tigers only have 4 wins from one of their rotation slots.
I’d rather stabilize that spot and maybe pick up another 3 or 4 wins from it than risk having to go back to the current situation. So, I’d probably not go after Bedard except to list as an option negotiating with other teams.
Blockbusters are OK with me, too.
You know I'm right about this.
I'd take Bedard
if it meant we’d drop Purcey. I’d convert Bedard to a RP and keep looking for a 5th starter. That would also give us some rotation depth.
Huh?
Take a highly-valuable starting pitcher (assuming health) and turn him into a situational reliever? Does not compute.
by Bret Boone's Farm on Jul 26, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
We'd be better off doing the opposite
Acquire Bedard, and then get somebody like Guthrie or Harang and convert them into long relief.
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by David Tokarz on Jul 26, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I though about that too
and figured no one would like that idea. I guess I’m wrong.
Bedard has been on DL for the past month, missed all of last season, missed half of the 2008-2009 season’s, and missed September in 2007. It just seemed like to me he’d be better off suited in a relief role and as a spot starter. Try to save his arm for when the games matter most, the final few weeks of the season, and the play-offs.
No, thanks
I’ll pass
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He's looking more like a Tiger...
After the Tigers chances fading with other pitchers on the market, it looks like Bedard or Wandy Rodriguez might be a Tiger. The Tigers don’t want to pay the price for Jimenez and Kuroda won’t come to Detroit. Shields would be better to pick up in the off season. As of the trades made Wednesday and the amping up by other teams for players, Detroit is slipping a bit behind. This is because they are waiting for Bedard’s tryout on Friday and to allow the Astros to dangle and force them to drop Rodriguez’s price at the trade deadline. One of those two lefties will be a Tiger on Aug. 1

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