Talk about a Bad Penny: Twins' anemic offense pounds Tigers pitching in 11-4 win
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KEY UPCOMING ROSTER MOVE
To nobodies surprise, the Tigers official Twitter announced Jacob Turner would get a spot start on Thursday, allowing Justin Verlander an extra day of rest between starts.
Back to our scheduled game recap...
KEY STAT
Luke Hughes, Tiger Killer: 2-4, 2 HR, 5 RBI
With Jim Thome having been traded, there's a new Tiger killer on the Twins. Light hitting infielder (against everyone but the Tigers, that is) Luke Hughes. He of the career slash line of .242/.307/.355.
Playing Saturday and Sunday, Hughes put up a career's worth of numbers: 4-8, 8 RBI, 3 R, 3 HR,, raising his season BA from .235 to .256.
I hate it when that happens.
KEY PLAY
Hughes' two run homer to deep left center in the bottom of the 4th, immediately following Rene Tosoni's RBI triple. The Twins went up 6-2, deflating hopes for a Tigers comeback. Neither can hit their way out of a wet paper bag, yet pounded Brad Penny.
I think we all knew right then it was not going to be the Tigers' day. Then again, I knew it when Penny was serving up BP fastballs. Right. Down. The. Middle. Of. The. Plate.
KEY THOUGHTS
At the start of the game, the Twins' batting order had one player hitting better than.255, Jason Kubel at .283. That awful lineup pounded Tigers pitching for 11 R, 12 H, 3 HR.
Things slower than a Penny pitched start: Other than a Red Sox or Yankees game...nothing. The only reason the game took less than three hours was the fact Penny was knocked out of the box.
Penny, who has been solid in his last three starts, wining two, was not good...though he wasn't helped by iffy defense. Most glaringly, Magglio Ordonez looked all of his 37 years, and then some, in right field. In the 4th, he was unable to catch up with a Danny Valencia blooper, then looked just plain old as Tosoni's triple ate him up (though I was surprised Magglio dived, something he NEVER does). Could a younger, better outfielder have caught those balls? I really can't say for sure. But I can say for sure Ordonez can't.
There was another rare David Pauley appearance, and it wasn't pretty: 2 IP, 4 H, 4 R. I think we are finding out why Pauley has been getting the mushroom treatment from Jim Leyland.
The Tigers hit into five double plays. FIVE.
Another typical game for Brandon Inge. He made an excellent defensive play at 3rd base, but was 0-2 with 3 LOB at the plate.
Ramon Santiago was an offensive juggernaut, 4-4, 2 RBI. Has anyone missed Carlos Guillen since he went on the DL? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
You know, for as bad as today's performance was, I need to put things in perspective.
I feel better now.
One loss does not a road trip make...though the Indians losing sure does help ease the pain. The Tigers finished a seven game trip 5-2, increasing their lead in the Central by a game as I write (though it does look as if the White Sox are going to win, moving to within six), winning series against the very good Rays and the always troublesome Twins. And don't tell me you wouldn't have taken 5-2 in a heartbeat if offered before the trip.
The Tigers start a six game home stand on Monday against the Royals, continuing a stretch of six consecutive series (and 7 of 8) against Central division foes. The pennant race has kicked into high gear!
FYI: I've done my best to hold down the fort, but I'm happy to relay word BYB's fearless leader, Kurt, will be easing his way back into his managing editor duties this coming week. Welcome back!
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Turner
I would love to see Turner stay in the lineup and replace Penny going forward… I guess I can only hope.
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by Christopher Horvath on Aug 28, 2011 6:28 PM EDT reply actions
no way
I love me some Turner, but we can do this without him. I’d rather save the innings on his arm then toss him into a high pressure pennant race. If it comes down to needing to rely on a rookie starter, we aren’t good enough/don’t deserve to make the playoffs anyway.
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Tell that to the Giants and Madison Bumgarner
I agree I’d rather not use him but………………………
From Maury Brown on Twitter
Brad Penny is now 0-2, 7.13 (24.0 ip, 19 er) w/30 hits allowed, five homers, nine walks & 14 strikeouts in 4 starts vs the Twins this season
The Tigers are now 12- 14 when Penny starts. I’d imagine that he would be the odd man out of the playoff rotation, but you never know. I’m still wondering if the Tigers will add a position player to the roster by 8/31 or just move Penny to the bullpen for the playoffs. We’ll find out this week, I guess.
No more trips to Twinkietown this season. That’s a good thing. I’ll take 2 of 3 up there any time.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Penny just dosen't do much for me as a starter.
Would you replace him in the rotation with someone like Below.And which pitchers do you see adding after 8/31.I know we are six games up but every game counts till we clinch.Plus i would like to clinch early so JV could get some rest.
Not sure about Below as a starter.
He may work out well, and it would be good to find out if we had the luxury of giving him some starts, but Penny keeps us in most games. I like Adam Wilk, but he’s on the DL in Toledo. Oliver is struggling. Turner will get one start, but I think that’s about it. I think we muddle through with Penny unless he gets intolerable like he was today, on a regular basis.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Penny for your thoughts...
I’ve said all along Penny will give two good starts for every five. I don’t really have a problem starting him but why leave in long enough to give up seven runs? If he ain’t right…PULL ’IM.
Penny isn't strong the 1st time through
He’s had several starts where he’s given up a few runs in the 1st or 2nd innings and settled down nicely. I can think of 3 or 4 games that we’ve won after Penny was down through two innings. I don’t think he’s a good candidate to yank after one trip through the lineup.
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He fills a really good role in the bullpen
Why move him- because the fifth starter we have to endure for another month had a rough start?
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by David Tokarz on Aug 29, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That's how I look at it
If Penny continues to struggle, then look at making a change. Even then, Wilk may be the guy to bring in. I like how Below has been working in long relief.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Playoff Opponent?
Assuming we make the playoffs, who will we play. Frankly, I hope we play the NYY. I think we could match up well against them. Pitching is such a huge key in the playoffs. Our pitching falls off quite a bit after Verlander, but theirs is worse after CC.
I hope we don’t have to play Boston. They are TOUGH.
Any thoughts.
Mel
there's too much up in the air right now
hell the Tigers are competing with the Rangers to actually have home field in the ALDS.
i’d prefer to face the red sox in a short series, since you have a better chance of upsetting them. On the other hand if the Tigers face the Yankees in the ALDS, they can hope for the Rangers to beat the Red Sox.
basically I don’t care as long as the tigers actually do win the central this time.
by Kurt Mensching on Aug 28, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
basically I don’t care as long as the tigers actually do win the central this time.
Anyone we see in a short series will have to see Verly 2 times to beat us. In a long series, it’s not out of the question that a team won’t have to see him 3 times to move on. Just get to the damn playoffs and let the best pitcher in the game today work a few games.
God ain't got no use for a 180 lb bag of sugar.
Yankees
Rather play the Yankees by far. Boston has better pitching and who wants to play three/four games in Boston? That field is similar to the Twins before they left the dome or the Rays currently. But I’m looking beyond: Since Cabrera played third before coming to Detroit, the Tigers need to practice him at third so Martinez can play first in the event they make it to the WS. Otherwise…what do you do with Martinez for four home games in the NL?
Have Vmart catch and put Avila at 3rd?
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by Brand New Hero on Aug 29, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Avila catches for the defense. VMart is a heck of a PH threat.
Tempting to put Cabrera or Avila at 3B, but this is what happens:
On offense: By putting them at 3B, you displace Betemit’s bat. (.290 / .345 / .419 on the year) and you add VMart’s bat (.325 / .373 / .449)
On defense: Cabrera or Avila at 3B instead of Betemit (and although Betemit is far from a gold glover, he’s WAAAAAAAAAAY better than either of these options). You put VMart behind the plate or at 1B (and we get much worse at both of these positions).
Plus, VMart will get 1 PH AB per game, almost guaranteed, and it can be in the spot you choose. Sucks to have him out of the lineup, but I think it’s a pretty easy call in this situation.
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Can Martinez play RF
Kidding! Kind of.
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by David Tokarz on Aug 29, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I say let's get there first
and then kick all their asses!
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
by Tigerdog1 on Aug 28, 2011 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this
Just win the Central and clinch a playoff spot. After that, to advance is going to mean needing to beat a strong team no matter who it is, home field advantage or no. Just get in the playoffs and then go from there.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
Only watched a few innings
But Maggs (Defense) and Inge (offense) are getting painful to watch. We have better options…why must we continue this madness?
Boesch and Raburn are hurt, but not DL’ed so Leyland only had 11 position players today. He used Betemit as a pinch hitter. Kelly brings better D than Ordonez, but not better offense especially against a lefty.
You know I'm right about this.
by HighOPS on Aug 28, 2011 8:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thoughts...
Maggs still gets a hit once in a while. Inge doesn’t. Sorry Inge. Don’t understand why Betemit doesn’t start every game. I don’t mind Inge for defensive replacement but starting? Why?
Oh, were you gone, Kurt?
You know I'm right about this.
by HighOPS on Aug 28, 2011 8:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
remember?
The Tigers started losing as soon as he got back. :P
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it's the sudden change
As soon as they readjust to you being back I’m sure they will be fine.
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I'm telling you, it's the Eye of Mensching
Watching from mordor Marquette, tha’s a lot of pressure for those young Tigers…
Eat 'em up, Tigers!
no, they typical ride bicycles
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by Kurt Mensching on Aug 29, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
But it's mostly for hippies
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by David Tokarz on Aug 29, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Texas looks like it's going to win, so that sucks.
But, then again, they completely bombed Weaver, putting JV in line for a run at the triple crown, so that’s cool. I’ll call it a wash.
Weaver getting shelled is the much better outcome
We have plenty of time to catch Texas. Weaver’s ERA is up to 2.28 now. If JV catches him there, the Cy Young is in the bag.
by Rob Rogacki on Aug 29, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
On Maggs
The slow demise of Magglio is hard to watch. Kind of like watching Martinez run the bases. Not that it matters, but thanks to Lamont for several of these players’ problems. Magglio was hitting incredibly when Lamont sent him home on that fateful day. Lamont should be the one they wave…not Maggs.
They really do need to make a change next year
Lamont has got to go.
being that he's Leyland's best friend
that’s not going to happen. Unless he’s replaced by Don Zimmer.
by Keith-Allen on Aug 29, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
"Bad Penny" . . .
. . . would seem to imply that he’s coming back next year—a bad penny always turns up. :(
This bad penny was spent a long time ago
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!

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