Tigers announce September callups
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 1, 2011 9:30 AM EDT
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PrintWe'll update this post, but just want to get it out there right now. The September callups announced today were RHP Luis Marte, RHP Jacob Turner, 2B Will Rhymes and OF Andy Dirks. Carlos Guillen was activated from the disabled list.
After the Mud Hens' season ends catcher Omir Santos and INF Danny Worth might join the Tigers as well, and keep an eye out for LHP Adam Wilk too. And don't forget that RHP Al Alburquerque is still on the disabled list.
TigsTown.com made its scouting report of Luis Marte free to non-subscribers, so you can check that out as well.
So the clubhouse is going to be a bit full, it seems.
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It's usually one or the other
but there is no rule that prohibits a player from being called up to the majors in September, then playing in the AFL. The AFL runs from early October until mid November, and the rosters for each team change quite frequently. So, if the Tigers wanted to bring one of the call ups to the post season, they could do that and send a replacement to the AFL.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
How the heck is Santos not up here right now?
I get that the Mud Hens’ season is over Monday, but still, Leyland has belly ached for a month about running Avila into the ground. Now they’ve got a 5.5 game lead and a day game after a night game coming up this weekend. Great opportunities to give Avila if not a day off, at least a chance to DH and maybe even let V-Mart rest too.
I don’t get this—at all.
because someone has to catch the last few games for Toledo
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by rock n rye on Sep 1, 2011 9:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
seriously thought it's due to his call-up last week
I believe there is either a 10 or 14 day wait before a player can be called up again if no one is placed on the DL
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by rock n rye on Sep 1, 2011 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It is
a player can be recalled the earlier of ten days after being sent down, or to replace someone on the 25 man roster that goes on the DL, or the end of the minor league season. Danny Worth and Santos were sent down too recently, so they’ll wait until September 6th.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Nothing official on Worth yet, either, but Santos has to be a lock, IMO
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Delmon Young bats 3rd and A-jax leadoff, nothing should suprise anybody
I’m sure in 1943 catchers caught 75 games in row so Smokey has some old school/ ass backwards reasoning, it is kind of obvious Avila is worn out, the last few games his swing bat speed is much lower but hey just in case it is an 8 run game no reason to think he needs a few innings off.
Nobody has yet to explain the Delmon young hitting 3rd thing to me except he took Mags place so that’s where he hits, he has 0 walks as a Tiger, hits into double plays with the best of them and has little power. For as much as people rag on Raburn, he is better than Delmon Young in left field and hitting. Hitting in front of Cabera and V-Mart is one of the few places where pitchers will actually grove you a couple if they fall behind, even 1st half Raburn can take advantage of that, I dont’ get see it with Delmon. I"m pleasantly suprised Inge and Kelly have been hitting 9th , no idea why either one of them would ever start a game but hey at least it limits their out making ability.
I totally disagree on Delmon
I think his acquisition and bat the past weeks has been the final piece to the lineup puzzle.
"i think it will be mostly feast the rest of the year,"
Delmon has 0 walks, obp under 300, little power and hits into a ton of double plays
plus he is below average on D, and a slow runner, other than that he has been terrific. Don’t get me wrong the guy has talent but it is his 6th year, when you have 0 walks and get yourself out MLB pitchers aren’t going to give you much to hit. His career OBP is below average, it is this year and it is with his brief stint with the Tigers, I think there is a pattern there that isn’t going to be broken. If he ever learned to control the strike zone he could be a decent hitter but at this point he is replacement level at a corner outfield position and has no business hitting 3rd, it is what is, I fully expect him to hit 3rd the rest of the year and have his OBP well below average.
Again Ryan Raburn is a superior hitter to delmon in every facet and he isn’t getting meatballs in front of Cabera and V-Mart.
Not sure
what you are basing the Ryan Raburn is a clearly better hitter on. They actually have the exact same career wOBA. Pick between these two slash lines, .265/.318/.447 or .289/.321/.425, Is one of these clearly better than the other? Neither of them walks at all, but Delmon strikes out significantly less. Bottom line Ryan Raburn is not “a superior hitter to Delmon in every facet.”
correction
Raburns career wOBA is .1 higher than Delmon’s. Bottom line Delmon isn’t an idea 3 hitter, not even close, but Raburn isn’t a guy who should be there either.
Career numbers are nice
But you need to look at this year.
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by David Tokarz on Sep 1, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
by this year, you mean Raburn’s 80 or so second half plate appearance because other than that he hasn’t been very good. If you are willing to say
Ryan Raburn is a superior hitter to delmon in every facetbecause of that, more power to you
I'm not a saber guy, so maybe that's why I feel differently.
But Young is hitting .279 with the Tigers, and Raburn is at .238 (I know, I know….second-half Raburn is a different guy)
Young has 68 AB’s and 6K’s with us; Raburn has 340 with 101,
To say Raburn is a superior hitter in every facet is ludicrous to me.
"i think it will be mostly feast the rest of the year,"
In the 3 spot Raburn would be better -Avila- Peralta.
my point is but the fact you can compare him to Delmon isn’t a positive for Delmon, they are pretty much the same except Raburn has more power and speed and sucks in the 1st half yet he recovers to do the same thing. I think Raburn would do better hitting 3rd too, it is obvious Delmon isn’t, he is up there to swing and I think pitchers have figured this out. Raburn problem is the same as Delmon- swinging at everything but when he hits pitches he does have some pop so why not see if he can take advantage of hitting in front of Cabera.
Delmon won’t get better without a better approach and he seems to take pride in the fact he is going to swing at everything and has no business hitting 3rd. By the way Casper was better than Delmon too. Unfortunately I agree with Kurt he is going to hit 3rd the rest of the year unless he hits 100 and A-Jax is going to lead off, however that doesn’t mean I have to like it and not state the obvious of it being absurd.
Avila should be hitting 3rd , 2nd or leadoff since he has the highest OBP but Peralta would be an obviously better choice also. I would hit Cabera 3rd The lineups may not cost us a lot of games but it is head scratching and I sure as heck don’t want to see it in the playoffs because there one game can kill us and good pitchers are going to get Delmon and A-Jax out.
I actually kinda buy this
Raburn is a better hitter than Delmon right now, given his second half hitting propensity.
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by David Tokarz on Sep 1, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Delmon
has been huge, with Boesch injured that transaction has held the offense together. Now they have a deep veteran bench to choose from. This is a solid playoff team that may surprise a few.
by Benzy Ferrari on Sep 1, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Delmon is a terrrible choice for a No. 3 hitter
he has little power, little on base ability, and doesn’t move runners over well.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Correct
But it’s Magglio’s fault that Delmon looks good to some people.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Look
you can complain about Leyland’s lineups for about a thousand different reasons, but it’s not going to change anything. Throw your hands in the air and wave ‘em like Leyland don’t care.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 1, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Here's the explaination
Leyland’s trying to get the best out of Delmon Young. With some guys, you need to massage their ego to get them on the right track. Leyland is making that move and is showing the guy some trust and confidence. DY has the potential to be the 2nd best hitter on the team and by next year, he will be.
there are 5-6 guys he doesn't have the potential to be better than
that is absurd , he doens’t even have the talent level to be better than Cabera or V-mart the guy has almost 3000 plate appearances, you aren’t going to improve if you take pride in swinging at everything. Peralta , Avila and Boesch all are significantly better than him and I think he has less than a 1% chance of passing any of those 5.
If he showed he wanted to improve I know he has some talent but if anything he has proved to me he has no intention of changing. It isn’t easy to have 0 walks in 75 plate apperances, you have to work at it. There is a much better chance Mags actually gets over his broken ankle and can work out all summer , I would be willing to be 2-1 Mags has a better year than Delmon next year, if he is healthly I would bet 25-1. Hell you could put Guillen in left field and let him hit 3rd and he would definetely be better in the 80 games he could play. I think you are missing the fact that currently Delmon pretty much sucks and is taking no steps to improve.
I think Keith has a point
although I think there is more to it than that. Looking at the other options, I believe that JL feels that Avila has enough on his plate with his catching duties, preparing the game plan for every pitcher for every game, without adding any more pressure on him by batting him third. After all, that IS, by far, Avila’s most important role on this team. Peralta would be a better 3 hitter than Delmon, but his knack is for driving in runs, not for getting on base, traditionally. Victor is protecting Cabrera perfectly. Why not Boesch? I’m not sure. Maybe JL just feels he needs a veteran there and there is some pressure that comes with that spot.
But in terms of the future, I think we need a No. 3, and Delmon is not it. He could go on a tear and be a monster in the heart of the order like he was for much of 2010, but his history is that he has limited power and limited ability to get on base- two key ingredients needed in that spot. If he magically one day stops being streaky, he’d be a better fit there, but he will always lack the ability to move runners and get on base, IMO.
Even the articles that are criticizing Leyland’s lineups, and I think they are valid, hasten to add that the order of the lineup is not all that important, as long as you have the right people in the lineup. By comparison with suckitude in the rotation, it’s a really minor issue on the Tigers this season. They’ve been able to run five guys out there every night in the top 30 in the league in OPS (at least they were). They could put Delmon at the end of that parade, but then they need at least two, if not three guys at the top of the order to get on base ahead of the best RBI man in the business.
The bottom line for me is that there is enough offense there. JL wants to see if he can catch lightning in a bottle with a guy that is an enormous talent, if he can just get it out of him. Either way, the lineups are not going to make or break the Tigers this year. Pitching will.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Here's an interesting view on the lineup
We keep talking about moving guys into the #3 spot that can get on base for Cabrera. You know who actually has a heck of an OBP? Miguel Cabrera.
One thing we might be losing sight of a little bit is that Miguel Cabrera is on base 43% of the time. When we talk about moving Peralta or Avila up to #3, we’d be taking away someone that bats 2 or 3 spots behind our 43% OBP man.
By having Cabrera, VMart, Peralta, and Avila at 4-7, it’s a nice run of production. It would be better to have that run get more plate appearances, but if Leyland is stuck on Cabrera batting #4, it’s certainly not bad to have some production guys behind him.
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But the idea with an RBI man
and Miggy is the best, is to get him up with guys on base. I’m totally opposed to him batting third, unless you have only two guys capable of putting up an excellent OBP. Victor is the ideal guy to hit behind Cabrera, IMO.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Delmon is a career .289 hitter.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he turns into a perennial 300 hitter. If he has a career type year, he could hit around .330 with 30 Hr’s. He’s got some untapped talent. I just hope we’re the ones that strike gold with him.
That's what the Tigers are hoping, obviously
But his career stat line is .289 .321 .425 .746. They’ll almost surely keep him for next year, but I’d like to keep him and then see if he can put it together next year. If not, take the comp pick(s) and go another direction. Not much to lose by trading Oliveros for him. Maybe a little opportunity cost if it doesn’t pan out.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I knew Rhymes would get the call.
I’d rather see worth because he plays more positions.
Also, Leyland will probably play Rhymes.
I guess Rhymes can’t be 6 games worse than Raburn/Santiago over 28 games so I’ll go back to worrying about flint results in the head-to-head match ups Detroit has with Cleveland and Chicago.
You know I'm right about this.
by HighOPS on Sep 1, 2011 10:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yes
Does anyone care?
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by David Tokarz on Sep 1, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Fu-Te Ni was awesome as a starter at Toledo, check the stats
don’t know why the tigers would throw away starting depth. He is not making that much money.
Did you see Phil Nevin and the Trainer from Toledo are joining the tigers too? What is that all about? Is he the leading internal candidate to replace JL in 2013?
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Two names not mentioned above
Andy Oliver and Brayan Villarreal. Any reason for mentioning Wilk but not these two? Wilk would be my first pick as a good control pitcher and a lefty capable of eating innings, and maybe even a spot start, but I could see any of them being called up.
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