Tigers flex muscles, beat Orioles 10-6
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 25, 2011 4:36 PM EDT
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KEY STAT
HR, HR, HR, HR Miguel Cabrera, Don Kelly, Victor Martinez, Jhonny Peralta. DK and VM hit three-run homers. Cabrera's was of the two-run form after Austin Jackson got thrown out at home a play earlier. Peralta's was solo.
KEY PLAY
We'll give V-Mart the key play for his tie-breaking home run. But maybe the real key play is Al Alburquerque getting a strikeout. He pitched on back-to-back days and appears to be healthy enough for Jim Leyland to put him on the post-season roster with confidence.
KEY THOUGHTS
Good news: The Tigers won. Bad news: The Rangers are winning. Thanks, Seattle.
It wasn't always pretty, but Brad Penny allowed 3 runs in 5 1/3 innings and received credit for the win. So that's 11 on the year. It was probably his last game in the Tigers' uniform, but you never know until you know.
Speaking of postseason posturing, David Pauley did not help his cause. He gave up a single, walk and home run in the eighth inning. The latter two results were after he recorded two outs. Not that Ryan Perry was a think of beauty yesterday or any one day's results are going to push the Tigers to decide one way or the other. But Pauley didn't help his cause, while Perry did work out of trouble on Saturday.
Nice to see the power surge in Detroit today. Even nicer to observe the race for the batting title has a smiling Miguel Cabrera face sitting at No. 1. He went 2-for-3 to improve to .341 on the year.
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Despite out record
versus the Rays compared to the Bombers, I would rather face the Yanks AWAY than the Rays at home. I don’t think the Red Sox will make the post-season. Yeah, it’s a pretty crazy thought, but I don’t see the Tigs winning a short series vs. the Rays pitching.
I do
We swept them in TB not long ago. But it doesn’t matter… because I don’t think they get in. I’d rather play a struggling Red Sox anyways
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We took 3 of 4
but I don’t think you can really look at that and say “yeah, we’ve got these guys,” much like you can’t look at our 1-5 record against Boston and say “oh hell, we’re screwed.”
by Rob Rogacki on Sep 25, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thanks
forgot it was a 4 game series. you know what I mean though. I just don’t think the Rays are that overwhelmingly more of a threat than anyone else
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I'd be more concerned about having home field in the ALCS
Either way, it’s a 50/50 shot, provided we win our first series.
by Rob Rogacki on Sep 25, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Rays pitching isn't as great as everyone says it is.
They have a great 1-2 punch, sure. But so do the Tigers. Obviously Verlander is the best of the teams’ top 2 pitchers. Fister, Shields, and Price all have exactly 5.1 WAR.
After that, it’s Scherzer vs. Hellickson (not a grand-slam advantage for us, but Hellickson’s ERA doesn’t come close to matching his peripherals) and Porcello vs. Niemann (nearly identical FIPs for these guys… Niemann probably wins because he has a better defense behind him)
Do I need to point out how much better the Tigers’ lineup is? The Rays have a big advantage with the gloves, but the Tigers would have to be clear favorites in that series.
by thepartybird on Sep 25, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
WAR is a bad way to evaluate pitchers
Their WAR are so far apart because they’ve pitched less innings. Go take a look at FIP and xFIP.
Also, defense and pitching tend to win championships.
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by David Tokarz on Sep 25, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
... and timely multi run homers
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Rather face
The TB Lineup. Boston Lineup is still loaded and can become hot at any time.
"I would rather face the Yanks AWAY than the Rays at home"
what have you been drinking.?We are 6-1 against the Rays this year. Really, we have won 91 games with 3 to go and you do not think we can beat the rays.
The Rays are 14-10 in September. It is not like they are on a tear with the great pitching.We can handle anyone right now. I am not going to be sad, in a fetal position if we have to face the Rays. BRING IT ON!!!
It's all about the "now"
Those 91 wins and 6 wins against the Rays don’t carry into the playoffs. If the Rays get into the playoffs, it’s because they’re riding a hot streak and that’s not a team you want to see in the first round.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
I know another team that was riding a hot streak
funny thing about hot streaks, you never know when they’ll end
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 25, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
How about not
riding a hot streak, but more like Boston sucking ass right now!
I would argue some of our players will play better indoors this time of year too.
by playoffbeard on Sep 25, 2011 5:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That is an outstanding point
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You want to face Shields and Price?
Are you insane?
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by David Tokarz on Sep 25, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to face Boston's pitching
and honestly, the Yankees rotation doesn’t scare me, either.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I don't mind the pitching matchups with New York either.
Verlander doesn’t care if he starts home or away, and Fister seems level-headed as hell. This team is a lot less crappy on the road than in previous seasons, to say the least, and there might (despite visiting the Yankees) be a little less pressure than starting off at home. Scotty Bowman often said he’d prefer to start a playoff series on the road because the players were more focused on just playing a solid game than trying to “get the crowd into it.” I’m not sure it makes too much difference either way, but it is something to think about.
I don’t like the jetstream in Yankee Stadium, and their lineup is formidable to say the least, but the Tigers offense is capable of taking advantage of the same aspects of the stadium as the Yankees are.
I don’t like the idea of facing the Tampa pitching the way I don’t like a hockey team going against the “scrappy underdog hard-working determined team that doesn’t make many mistakes” when heavily favored in the first round of the playoffs. It just SCREAMS “upset” all over it. : /
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
The whole "just squeaked into the playoffs" thing scares me
If the Tigers end up playing either the Rays or Angels, they’ll be facing a team that already has their hair on fire. On the other hand, facing the BoSox they’ll be playing a team with a “we aren’t supposed to win so let’s let it all hang out” mentality.
Could be the best thing for the Tigers is indeed starting in New York, against the favorite. Knock the Yankees off, and then get whoever is left thinking they are better than they are.
Kinda like ’06.
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I'm not thrilled about playing the Yankees in New York
But I don’t think it is the worst option. At the very least, it is about the same, if not better for the Tigers.
Whoever they play it’s going to be tough, and they will have to play at their best. At least I don’t think any of the potential playoff matchups carry any “oh, no, we have a long history with this team and it isn’t a good one for us!” kind of feel. They will all be tough in different ways, but there isn’t any extra baggage.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
I'd take the Yankees for several reasons
1) Their rotation is garbage.
2) I think JV will be much more focused for Game 1 if he has to pitch on the road. Last night’s game made me wonder if he got too amped up, and I wonder if this would happen if we started the playoffs at home.
3) Tampa’s rotation is scary, and something tells me that Boston will wake up if they get in
4) With Scherzer starting Game 3, I want that to be at the CoPa
5) ’06 repeated: Yankees in the ALDS, AL West team in the ALCS. This time, the World Series goes differently.
by Rob Rogacki on Sep 25, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't get to watch today
but great to see us play some long ball and BP pitch well enough to get the W. still fightin hard for that home field in the ALDS… love it
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The Rays do have good pitching.
If they could hit, too, they’d be a team to fear.
You know I'm right about this.
by HighOPS on Sep 25, 2011 6:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The Rays are 60- 7 when they score 5 runs or more
Rays broadcasters said that today.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Angels implode too
Jordan Walden in for the save with a three run lead, puts two on and gets a comebacker for an easy DP, chucks the ball into right field. He then gives up a double down the RF line to tie the game. Huge blown save- something the Tigers haven’t seen all year from our closer. Walden out with the bases loaded now.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Yanks already up 3- 0 on Lackey in game 2.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Oakland beat the Angels
That’s gonna leave a mark. Meanwhile, Yankees 3 BoSox 0 in the 1st inning.
Talk about imploding. The Red Sox resemble the Astros at this point.
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Angels v Rangers
Monday; CJ Wilson v Dan Haren
Tuesday Colby Lewis v Ervin Santana
Weds Harrison v Weaver
The Angels have three excellent pitchers going in this series, their three best. If they can muster any runs, for a change, they’ll give the Tigers a fighting chance to reclaim home field advantage.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Fun Fact!
Verlander won the AL Triple Crown. His ERA=2.40. Weaver’s=2.41. Weaver nor Verlander have any remaining starts. ::fist pump::
As T-Dog detailed above ... isn't Weaver starting on Wed?
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I could see them not throwing him if the Angels are out of it, though.
Which seems likely after they blew it this afternoon.
I thought he might have another start
So I checked MLB stats for his upcoming starts. He wasn’t listed for the rest of the season. But If there’s a chance they could get in, I wouldn’t blame them for putting him out there.
Looks like Salty is catching both games of a double header today
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Saw Salty in a Minor League game in Montgomery Ala
Dominated the game from behind the plate. My brother lives close, and every time I visit we go see a couple of Mont. Buscuit games. Salty was the visiting catcher, and I’ve never seen a guy dominate a game from behind the plate like he did.
Throwing, shutting down the running game, blocking the plate. The guy was a man amongst boys. In the 3 games we watched in the set, he picked two guys off first base. From his knees, throwing in behind a RH batter. Truly, extraordinary stuff. And with a last name like his, you didn’t forget who he was…lol.
Before Avila, always hoped the Tigers would pick him up. It doesn’t appear Salty will be the starting catcher for the AL in many All-Star games, though.
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Okay, the official website shows Tek is catching
but my Yahoo stat tracker shows Salty in both games.
Nova v Lackey on the mound.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I'm watching the game on MLB Network
Vtek is still behind the plate.
Thanks Keith
My Yahoo thing that’s much more user friendly than jumping around gameday is outta whack today. They still haven’t recorded the Dodger win.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Salty eventually caught
in Game 2. Varitek pulled something running the bases
Rooting for Tiger stripes, not pinstripes
by JerseyTigerFan on Sep 25, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks Like The National League Wild Card Braves
Are going to be passed by the Cardinals. Braves play thier last three games against Phillies & Cards play Astro’s.
Could we have a 2006 Replay?
perhaps....
Our pitchers are better fielders this time though. Just with Verlander’s experience and the Fister addition alone.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
they are
Out of curiosity I went back and looked at the starting pitching staff from 2006 and the 2011 pitching rotation, just checking on their ages. I knew the 2006 rotation was young, but I hadn’t realized HOW young until I checked.
Bonderman 23
Robertson 28
Rogers 41
Verlander 23
Miner 24
While this year:
Verlander 28
Scherzer 26
Penny 33
Porcello 22
Fister 27
Only one real baby pitcher this time in Rick, but three kids the last time through. And inexperienced kids, too. Check out JV’s playoff stats for that year. I don’t see him going 1-2 with so many walks and wild pitches this time. He’s not a baby pitcher any more. Now he knows what the hell he’s doing on the mound in a way he didn’t when he was six five years younger.
They still might lose, but it won’t be nerves and inexperience this time.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
Yup
We will fair much better this time around no matter who we play.
by TigersFan1957 on Sep 25, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Redemption would be a beautiful thing
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depends if philly wakes up
lost what, 8 in a row before today?
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 25, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Red Sox are rising from the dead
Now tied 3-3, top of the 7th. Lackey is facing mostly AAA guys, but he’s settled down since the 1st.
As I write this, it’s now 4-3 Red Sox. I like it.
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Red Sox take the lead
4- 3 in the 7th.
Nova is done
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
i think the recap is going to have more comments than the game thread
which is fine. long as you’re commenting somewhere!
Sorry :(
I was working on other stuff during the game. Can’t do work and comment at the same time. Now I’m taking a break before studying so I have time to comment.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
I missed the game
Perhaps I’ll watch the replay at 3am.
Thanks Bard.
Schlereth looks even better now.
Yanks have the bases loaded, bottom of the ninth, two outs, game tied 4- 4, Papelbon coming in. Good television.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
and Girardi counters with..... Kevin Romine?
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
tough call,
but this is the 2nd game of double header
It will be interesting to see who Girardi sends out there against the Rays
Burnett ironically also picked up his 11th win today to finish at 11- 11. I think he’s had a poorer season than Penny has had- at quite a bit greater cost.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Could be a huge game.
I think it depends on if TB needs to win or not.
Maybe the Yankees would rather play the BoSox in the post season than either the Rays or Angels?
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Question
Has a player ever NOT won the MVP Award, where they got the most first place votes?
A player gets the most first place votes, but is left off enough ballots that he didn’t win?
Has that ever happened?
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Wow
Thank you Kurt. Pretty good example, right there.
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or pretty bad example, if you will
hope the voters have grown a bit.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 25, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Errrrrr..... well there ya go
just one more year back. :)
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Interesting question
http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/mvp_cya.shtml
Click on the V next to a given player that won
I checked the AL real quick since 2000, and the guy with the most votes has always won, even if he didn’t get a majority of votes.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I find myself rooting for Boston here
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
It's the first time this year that I semi- care about a Yanks v Boston game, though
I just hate being force fed those games by ESPN
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I said that to ian
on my own accord, I have put yankees-red sox on out of interest in the drama.
still usually enjoying hating red sox nation though.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 25, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren't you rooting for their despair though?
still usually enjoying hating red sox nation though.
by Rob Rogacki on Sep 25, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
well i'm divided this year
because the rays kind of scare me in the playoffs as much as I’d like to see red sox nation despair.
but after that espn magazine cover either way is enjoyable.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 25, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care about them one way or the other
I have greater disdain for the Yankers, but I’d love to tear into Boston’s rotation the way they’ve been pitching lately.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Fun game to watch
Boston battling the Yankees call-ups, with a few regulars sprinkled in.
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by Singledigit on Sep 25, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
it is
It’s even been at a decent pace, for a change.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
I can't root for Boston
Ever since that Youkilis / Porcello fight I can’t even remotely like them. I sometimes think that 1 game suspension prevented us from making the playoffs. That and the rainout, and Cabrera’s drinking problem, and the Minnesota Twins. Perfect freaking storm.
by Keith-Allen on Sep 25, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
2 of the worst bunts I've ever seen in this game
These guys are terrible at small ball.
I was just thinking "this game has diminishing returns"
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 25, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong!
ESPN says this is an instant classic! It’s Red Sawx vs Yankeesssss!!11 Awesum!!11 lols kurt
by playoffbeard on Sep 25, 2011 10:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I smoked 3.5 lbs of salmon and finished a trial brief during this game.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
those are two seemingly unrelated things
by playoffbeard on Sep 25, 2011 11:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
related to how long this game is taking
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
Salty has been the catcher these past 7 innings also
by Keith-Allen on Sep 25, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Vtek started game 2
then Salty replaced him
by Keith-Allen on Sep 25, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Raburn could make that diving play
but not the throw
he'd have been my vote anyway, to be honest
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 25, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If I'm not being a homer, it's Bautista.
But I guess it depends on if you believe the MVP has to be in the playoff hunt.
Hunt has nothing to do with it
If a team doesn’t make the playoffs, there’s only so much value to go around on that team. The objective in the regular season in baseball is to win a division and get to the playoffs. Players that contribute toward that achievment have greater value. Simply being in the hunt isn’t the question.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I just don't subscribe to that theory for the MVP award.
But that’s what makes it fun, I guess. I’d rather just vote for the best player/best season.
Bautista faded big time in the 2nd half
.261 AVG with just 12 homers.
by Keith-Allen on Sep 25, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, JV's September did him in
For a pitcher to win the award, he’d better be uniquely good. Verlander just wasn’t unique, and allowing 4, 4 and 5 runs during his final 6 starts didn’t help. Had he did something like 300 srikeouts and an ERA head and shoulders better than the league, maybe.
Ellsbury is an above average center fielder and among the top of the AL in OPS. It’s no surprise he leads Fangraphs in WAR. And while the rest of his team faded he has an OPS above 1.000 in September. He’s a great candidate.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 25, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Or that the MVP has to be a Yankee or a Red Sock.
The sports media makes me want to vomit.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
Kinda wanted the Sox to lose.
So that the Angels would keep trying against the Rangers. Technically they’re still in it, but could be out of it after one more dya.
I remember Scott Proctor
He gave up a go-ahead home run to Craig Monroe at Yankee stadium in ’06. The Tigers were sliding during a pennant, and it was a huge win for them. Good times, good times :D
Scott Proctor, lol
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