Further speculating on the Tigers' playoff roster
I spent a lot of time last week writing about the Tigers' playoff roster. I gave you 22 players who I think are locks or near locks, and 7 players who I think are up for competition. And I let everyone vote their feelings on the matter. While I gave a bit of "in or out?" opinion, I never took the time to figure out if I actually added up to 25 or anything.
So here's an update on where things stand.
Our original 22 still look pretty good. So I still like LHP Daniel Schlereth's chances. I like OF Andy Dirks' chances. RHP Al Alburquerque proved his health is fine, so he's made it. And 2B Carlos Guillen does not appear to be healthy enough to play, so he'll miss out for that reason. One issue is Wilson Betemit. He has not played since injuring his knee against Oakland on Sept. 16, though MLB.com's Jason Beck reported he is on track to return today.
UPDATE: Leyland told MLB.com about Betemit: "He's not right." Which could make an extra roster spot available.
So that leaves two spots for pitchers, and one for a position player.
I think RHP Ryan Perry gets one of those. Not always enjoyable to watch, he seemed the closest thing to a lock without actually being one. Jim Leyland uses him regularly, and he has approximated fine. He'll be more of a sixth inning reliever.
The second one is harder to predict. Here's the issue. RHP Brad Penny isn't very good. I think he did pitch his way off the roster. RHP David Pauley has not been very good while in Detroit. He seems to allow runs every time he takes the mound. In September, that's four out of six games. And LHP Duane Below just isn't used all that often by Leyland. Below has been used just three times in September, the most recent Sept. 20. In two of the three appearances this month, he gave up runs. In three of his last four appearances, he gave up multiple runs. Thickening this pudding is that Pauley has a career-long reverse split of being harder on left-handers than right-handers. That is especially true in 2011 -- we're talking a difference of about .320 OPS. His line against lefty batters is .194 avg, .235 OBP, .248 SLG. That's the kind of number Leyland might notice.
Ultimately, it might be a toss up. But I think Pauley makes it because Leyland just doesn't seem to be preparing Below for the playoffs.
That brings us to the position battle.
It appears to be down to INF Danny Worth and 2B Will Rhymes competing for the last spot. C Omir Santos cannot be ruled out either, though he seems like a long shot. Both Worth and Rhymes are slated for the Arizona Fall League, but the playoffs take priority.
Worth has played in five of the past six games. He has been used as a pinch runner several times without mishap. He's came in as a defensive replacement at third base as well. As we said, he can play every infield position, allowing Leyland more flexibility in late games and with Ramon Santiago. Rhymes has pinch run twice in the past week and hasn't spent any time in the field.
I do not rule Rhymes out, but I think Worth is clearly the favorite to get that 25th spot. So Worth, who was not on the Tigers' roster the last day in August, will use one of the available wildcard spots made available by having three players on the DL. Andy Dirks uses another.
So there you have it. If Betemit is healthy, I'll make no changes to my original 22, and add Perry, Pauley and Worth to round out the list.
Just to make it easier for you, here's my complete 25:
Pitching (11 total)
1. SP Justin Verlander
2. SP Doug Fister
3. SP Max Scherzer
4. SP Rick Porcello
5. CL Jose Valverde
6. SU Joaquin Benoit
7. LHP Phil Coke
8. RHP Al Alburquerque
9 LHP. Daniel Schlereth
10. RHP Ryan Perry
11. RHP David Pauley
Position players (14 total)
12. C Alex Avila
13. 1B Miguel Cabrera
14. 2B/SS Ramon Santiago
15. SS Jhonny Peralta
16. 3B Wilson Betemit
17. OF Delmon Young
18. OF Austin Jackson
19. OF Magglio Ordonez
20. DH Victor Martinez
21. UTIL Don Kelly
22. OF Ryan Raburn
23. OF Andy Dirks*
24. 3B Brandon Inge
25. INF Danny Worth*
* For playoff eligibility purposes, takes the place of a player on the DL
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Penny
While I don’t disagree with your reasoning, it’s not what I think the Tigers will do. I think the Tigers will remain loyal with Brad Penny and he along with Penny and Worth will make the post season roster. I don’t think Penny should, nor deserves to make it, it’s just what I think the Tigers will do.
Penny
I agree. I think he makes the roster in place of Pauley
by Mark Osbourne on Sep 26, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So you put Pauley in the mix for the long relief spot along with Penny and Below?
I thought that JLmight do that, since Pauley was a starting pitcher until they moved him to the pen this year. He has been seeing some action recently- as much as anyone not cast in a late inning role.
Below was a dual lefty/ late inning guy. It helps to be a lefty in that role on this team, because all the starting pitchers are righties, and opponents will have their lineups stacked on the left side of the plate. He’d be the third lefty in the pen to go with Coke and Schlereth. I don’t get the feeling that reverse splits do much for Jim Leyland. I think he’s much more pavlovian than that, both with pitchers and hitters. Hopefully, it won’t matter. If we have to use one of these guys in the playoffs, it’s not a good sign. I fear that Penny will get the nod, but hopefully common sense will prevail.
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
I was with you guys on the loyalty to penny thing up until the past week
but I just don’t see how they can afford to waste a spot on a guy who’s obviously ran smack dab into his wall and sputtering.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 26, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
The Tigers will probably say that “he has been on the team all year, it was never a question of whether Brad Penny would be on the playoff roster, he’s a member of this team” or some other nonsense that we’ll never understand. I hope you’re right Kurt, just don’t be too surprised if you’re not.
I'm always surprised when I"m not
because it just doesn’t happen :P
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 26, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm, how do you search for past posts on this website?
I clearly remember arguing with you about the Angels contending in the West and you said you’d be shocked if they finished .500.
Speaking of which, MAN have they gagged that away! What really pisses me off is that if they were even a game or so closer, chances are they would be trying harder and pitching their best these next 3 games against the Rangers. Now, I doubt Weaver will even start on Wednesday. Bums!
"i think it will be mostly feast the rest of the year,"
Maybe because the alternatives, Below, Pauley, and Marte, aren't that compelling...
I don't care what the Chinese say, 2011 is the Year of the Tiger!
So Is Leyland Going To Give Verlander Another Five Days Off Between Starts?
It appears so.
We saw in the last start and previously as was posted here in an article how poorly Verlander does with five days between starts.
Leyland could have and should have handled these extra two days, one allotted to each start in a lot better way that it appears he is handling it.
I hate to say but if Verlander starts the opening post-season game with five days rest and loses because of a sub-par performance and the Tigers lose the first post-season series then we will know where the blame lies.
actually Verlander does best on 5 days
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 26, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks about the same, really.
The only hugely different figure between 4 and 5 days rest is SO/BB. He’s still allowed fewer total bases per start on 4 days rest.
if I only get to choose one set of stats for the whole season
I’m going 5-day.
Obviously you’re going to end up with small sample size problems with this data. But at the least it shows he’s not worse on 5 days rest.
by Kurt Mensching on Sep 26, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If you really wanted to mess things up
have Verlander pitch an inning or two on Tuesday instead of his bullpen session to pad his ERA lead.
by HawkeyeEdward on Sep 26, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Bring him in in the fifth inning
Hopefully, with a five-run lead. Then he’d get the “W” and win 25 games.
"i think it will be mostly feast the rest of the year,"
That's like Stephen Jackson taking a shot at his own bucket
so that he could get a rebound to complete a triple-double. It would immediately change the press narrative on Verlander for the worse.
4 Days vs.5 Days
I don’t think Leyland is basing his decision on stats. It is more about keeping him fresh. JV has pitched more innings than anyone else in baseball this year, and more than he ever has in the past. If all goes well, unless Tigers pull off a couple of sweeps, one would want him available for 6 more starts (I suppose you could theoretically have him starting 7 more times assuming 18 or 19 games of playoff baseball). Not that it is obvious, but JV is still human, and Leyland recognizes that.
by knucklescarbone on Sep 27, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
For 2011
However for his career he has been better with four days rest.
A higher, Whip, ERA and HR’s per nine innings over his career with five days rest. The HRs allowed per nine innings is about 10% more and his ERA is about .5 run higher on five days rest over his career
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=verlaju01&year=Career&t=p
2010 He Was A Lot Better With Four Days Rest
to the tune of allowing over one run less per nine innings with four days rest.
In 2010 he 11 – 4 with four days rest and only 7 – 5 with five days rest
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=verlaju01&year=2010&t=p
Of course this is 2011 and not 2010 LOL
We shall see. I hope that I am wrong about this, however I remained concerned.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=verlaju01&year=2010&t=p
Totally disagree
It seems like someone is just combing the beach looking for tiny little things to throw blame at Leyland.
CC Sabathia hasn’t pitched since September 21st and he’ll be pitching the Yankees opener with 8 EIGHT days off between starts.
Worth and Rhymes
just might make it the postseason after all. I’m glad we called them up when we did. It would of stunk if we sent them home after the Mudhens season was over.

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