Minor League Ball: 2012 Baseball Farm System Rankings
The Tigers come in at 23. John Sickels wrote: "Thins out very quickly after Jacob Turner and Nick Castellanos."
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“Why any other team isn’t going to do a trade for prospects not named Turner or Castellanos, so stop it.”
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by rock n rye on Jan 23, 2012 4:02 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
And end of thread
Nothing more needs to be said
by Rob Rogacki on Jan 23, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We got Fister and Pauley for prospects not named Turner or Castellanos
and the beat goes on….
"King of Minutiae"
I don't think that's much of a concern at this point.
If we can get an every day player, or even a solid platoon guy, any prospects not named JT or NC should be on the table.
"King of Minutiae"
Maybe not
throw him in the mix with the gang. If he does for us what he did for Seattle in the pen, he’ll be an asset.
"King of Minutiae"
From what has been written about Pauley, that if is most likely a not likely.
I trust Lookout Landing and no, I am not digging back into their archives to find the stuff about Pauley.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
Might be able to pull something off with our trinity of mediocre lefty prospects
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by David Tokarz on Jan 23, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone considered
Whether or not the Padres would trade Headley for Josue Carreno, Bruce Rondon and filler? Padres need all the arms they can get.
by TartanElk on Jan 23, 2012 4:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It seems that most people are high on Crosby
Just want to see him stay healthy first.
by TartanElk on Jan 23, 2012 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Shot in the dark
If he stays healthy AND if he gets control he’ll be good.
Needless to say, I think JS is way too optimistic on him.
"You, on the other hand, make Eeyore look like Rainbow Brite." -johnmoz
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by David Tokarz on Jan 23, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
I never worry about prospect rankings.
It is like worrying about what is the weather going to be on April 13, 2015.
"But the point is, finger-pointing is just what sports fans do when something doesn't go right." -- Kurt Mensching
by RealityIsOptionable on Jan 23, 2012 7:02 PM EST reply actions
probably going to snow
but you already knew that
by Kurt Mensching on Jan 24, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Why does our farm system suck?
Aren’t they putting enough money into it? Are they just bad at scouting?
For a while, the excuse was that the Dombrowski regime needed time to repair a trashed system, and that was fair enough for a while, but how many decades do they need to fix things?
We haven't played the "sell" game like some of the good systems
Some of those teams above us trade every decent player they develop when they start to get expensive. They haul in 3 or 4 strong prospects and that helps the system a lot. We haven’t been sellers in a while.
Other teams also play the arbitration game a lot better than DD did while arbitration offered top picks for losing free agents.
Beyond that, we seem a little inept at drafting below the first couple of rounds and/or developing some of the really young kids that we sign from places such as Venezuela.
That being said, we’ve had decent success lately in developing some of our own players like Avila and Boesch that were never really highly ranked as prospects but have seen MLB success in their limited time. If a couple of the toolsy kids have good years (Fields, Av. Garcia, Crosby, Gibson) we might see a nice bump on this list.
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Avila and Boesch prove a point
Good points all around. Biggest answer is that we use prospects as trade trips to win now, while small market teams hoard prospects in a “wait till next year” approach.
but more importantly, Boesch and Avila prove this is all a joke. When they were in the minors, did anyone talk about how they were major leaguers in waiting or did they get great rankings that helped the tigers overall rankings? I don’t recall either one of them ever being touted as the next great thing, the way Turner and Castellanos are now or Fields, Crosby, and others were in the past. They were more afterthoughts, nice “depth” guys, but not highly ranked studs. Anytime anyone mentioned Avila it was only in relation to spending a high draft pick on him due to nepotism.
So if the two most recent homegrown major leaguers weren’t lighting up lists prior to their call ups, why get bent out of shape that the same “experts” don’t like our current crop?
Well
John Sickles did rate Avila a B+ after his first pro-season so that would have put him in the top 10.
For Boesch, he never seemed to break the top prospects list, but according to Scouts.com he was pretty well thought of coming out of the draft.
That's an excellent question
Several possible answers:
- many prospects have been traded away
- lack of prospects coming in from trades
- lack of supplemental picks coming from compensation
- poor drafting especially with higher picks
- rapid promotion of successful prospects
I think there’s a little of each in recent Tiger history.
Definitely more prospects going out than coming in from trades. Guess that means we’re usually “buyers”, and that would be a good thing overall.
Seems like very few successful Tigers depart in trades or via free agency. Only Granderson and Jackson come to mind.
Doesn’t really matter, for this discussion, that guys like Miller and Maybin didn’t reach their full potential, but Wilkin and Matt Anderson were total busts also.
Porcello, Avila, Verlander, Zumaya, Granderson were all promoted PDQ, while Coke, Schlereth, and AJax were immediately promoted when we finally did trade some real talent.
So, I guess a combination of the above?
And we’re still rated higher than Chicago or Cleveland.
"King of Minutiae"
It's a crime that Cleveland hasn't done more
They’ve let just about every decent player in the last 10 year go via trade or free agency. They should have a vault full of prospects.
Not that I mind.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Not the best place, but...
Anry Dirks with a leadoff single in the 8th and scored the game winning run on Game 3 of Dominican League finals.
He's playing in the Dominican Republic . . .
. . . are you quite sure that’s his real name?
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