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Flashback of Miguel Cabera at 3b

Here's a glimpse back at Miguel Cabrera in the 2008 season. But 1st lets get all the stupid excuses out of the way.

  • New team, new teammates, new fans, new league, new cities, new ballparks. Everything was new to Cabrera in Detroit. It took him some time to acclimate.
  • It was March/April, so we were dealing with some cold weather also. Being that he played in Florida, he might not of been used to the chill in the air and the extra layers of clothes. 50F Degree weather might be warm to Michiganders, but to a Floridian that's bone chilling cold.
  • On the 10th game of the season Cabrera played his 1st game ever at 1B. At that point, he's probably spending most of his practice time learning a new position, instead of honing his skills at 3B.
  • At that time, Cabrera's batting average was .182. So it wasn't just his fielding that was off.
  • Carlos Guillen was terrible at fielding balls thrown to him at 1B. So if somebody's throw was just a little off, there would probably be an error charged to someone. Prince Fielder knows hows to play 1B, so maybe he can prevent some of those throwing errors.

Star-divide

Now to the play-by-play in which Cabrera committed an error:


Error #1, Game 1, March 31st:
Opening day at Comerica Park vs Royals. Temperature 51 F degrees.

Kansas City - Top of 1st SCORE
Justin Verlander pitching for Detroit KC DET
D DeJesus grounded out to first. 0 0
M Grudzielanek safe at first on throwing error by third baseman M Cabrera. 0 0
M Grudzielanek stole second. 0 0
A Gordon struck out looking. 0 0
J Guillen popped out to second. 0 0
0 Runs, 0 Hits, 1 Errors

Error #2, Game 7, April 8th: 46 F degrees. @ Boston

Boston - Bottom of 4th SCORE
Kenny Rogers pitching for Detroit DET BOS
C Crisp grounded out to pitcher. 0 2
J Lugo reached on infield single to third, J Lugo to second on throwing error by third baseman M Cabrera. 0 2
D Pedroia singled to center, J Lugo to third. 0 2
K Youkilis hit sacrifice fly to center, J Lugo scored. 0 3
D Ortiz flied out to left. 0 3
1 Runs, 2 Hits, 1 Errors


Error #3, Game 8, April 9: 50 F Degrees @ Boston

Boston - Bottom of 3rd SCORE
Jeremy Bonderman pitching for Detroit DET BOS
K Youkilis safe at first on throwing error by third baseman M Cabrera. 0 2
D Ortiz popped out to second. 0 2
M Ramirez flied out to center. 0 2
S Casey doubled to right, K Youkilis to third. 0 2
J Drew grounded out to pitcher. 0 2
0 Runs, 1 Hits, 1 Errors

Error #4, Game April 14th: 48 F Degrees vs Minnesota

Minnesota - Top of 5th SCORE
Jeremy Bonderman pitching for Detroit MIN DET
M Lamb safe at first on throwing error by third baseman M Cabrera. 2 0
A Everett flied out to center. 2 0
C Gomez grounded into fielder's choice to third, M Lamb out at second. 2 0
C Gomez stole second. 2 0
D Span grounded out to shortstop. 2 0
0 Runs, 0 Hits, 1 Errors

Error #5, Game 17 April 19th: 59F Degrees @ Toronto

Toronto - Bottom of 5th SCORE
Jeremy Bonderman pitching for Detroit DET TOR
A Hill doubled to deep center. 1 2
A Rios struck out swinging. 1 2
V Wells safe at second on error by third baseman M Cabrera, A Hill scored. 1 3
M Stairs intentionally walked. 1 3
R Barajas grounded into fielder's choice to shortstop, M Stairs out at second, V Wells to third. 1 3
L Overbay flied out to left. 1 3
1 Runs, 1 Hits, 1 Errors

That's it. Cabrera hasn't played a game at 3B since.

He played just 14 games, 116 innings, made 5 errors, 4 which were throwing errors, and cost the team 2 unearned runs. Prorated over a full-162 game season that would be 22 unearned runs. If we can channel half the blame to Carlos Guillen's lack of experience at 1B, then it's only 11 unearned runs per season. ( Last season, the Tigers gave up 64 unearned runs). So maybe fielding ground balls isn't Cabrera's main concern, it's throwing the balls accurately to 1st base. Hopefully Prince Fielder gives him a bigger target to throw at.

How many runs did Cabrera's lack of range cost us is the other part of the equation. His lifetime UZR/150 at 3B is -4.5 runs, in 3273.2 innings. That's below average, but not terrible by any means. What that means to the Tigers this season, I don't know. He's not the same player he was back then.

What I do know is that last season, we got just 63 runs and 54 RBI's from our combination of 3B's (Inge/Betemit/Kelly/ect). Cabrera had 111 runs and 105 RBI's. Miggy had almost double the offensive production that we got at 3B. Miggy is also significantly better at hitting than any other 3B in either the AL or NL league.

Another advantage of moving Miggy to 3B is that we won't have to worry about who sits when we play in NL ballparks. How much better are the Tigers now? At worst, we should be able to win 95 games again. At best, we play like 2nd half Tigers, that went 46-24, with a .657 winning pct after the All-Star break. If that is sustainable we could be a 106 win team. That's if Fielder makes up for VMart, Betemit, and Ordonez.

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if you look at the stats

he was just an ordinary bad third baseman. He wasn’t like historically awful or anything. I think the extraordinarily lofty heights of being a bad third baseman are attainable for Miguel. And combined with his hitting, he would EASILY be the best third baseman in all of baseball. His bat, after all, was worth triple the runs of any third baseman last year. Triple! I’m not worried about it. And hell, technically speaking, he was one of the worst 1st basemen in all of baseball defensively last year, but we didn’t even notice. His bat made everything better. As long as he’s not historically awful, I’ll be just fine with it.

by Trysdor on Jan 28, 2012 5:54 AM EST reply actions  

Just a thought....

Certainly, I have the same concerns most everyone else does with Cabrera at third. But the Miguel Cabrera at third back in 2008 was a younger, somewhat immature and surly, but terrific offensive player back then, that also we can ‘probably’ conclude had a drinking problem….Cabrera has not only grown up and matured in front of our eyes as a player, but also as a person. He has embraced playing for the Tigers, in his role as a leader on the team and also the team comes first and what he can do to help in any way he can.

by KalineCountry on Jan 28, 2012 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

Miggy and the "1000 run offense" that the Tigers were supposed to have in 2008

were like a bunch of deer caught in the headlights. That season started with Granderson on the DL because he got hit on the finger by a pitch in spring training. It was all downhill from there. I just write off that whole season. A payroll that was second highest in the majors, yet the club finished in last place. Pudge was unloaded before it was all over.

"King of Minutiae"

by Tigerdog1 on Jan 28, 2012 6:02 PM EST reply actions  

Can we just strike it from the books completely?

Kind of like a 13th floor sort of thing?

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Jan 31, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Look for the bunt.

I hope they drill alot for the bunt during spring training. With this first and third combination, along with a possible Raburn at second, I think opposing managers will try to kill us with small ball.

by benyodel on Feb 3, 2012 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

That sounds great for us

I’d rather see the ball kept in the infield, than pounded into the outfield.

by Keith-Allen on Feb 3, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

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