I promise my concern about inactivity is not simply boredom
As far as the argument that the Central is so weak, I would say that there are always surprises in a season, who is to say that some don't come from this division? Remember it took a long time and a real hot streak from Detroit combined with a Cleveland collapse before the Tigers made it a runaway. I don't remember feeling super comfortable in August that it was going to be easy. I even remember many looking at that last series against Cleveland in late September as what it would come down to. So what if KC matures faster than we think? What if Cleveland stays healthy and gets a great year from Ubaldo? What if Mauer and Morneau stay healthy and carry the Twins? I'm not necessarily saying any of these are likely, but can't we agree that crazier things have happened?
Also- are we prepared to completely count on Peralta, Avila, Boesch, Young, and Jackson having the same kinds of seasons, or improving on them? I like these players, but I wouldn't be shocked if any one of them takes a step back. As it stands now, we are counting on major contributions from each of them. On the pitching side, as great as Fister was, does his track record prior to the stretch run indicate future dominance? Is he a definitive #2? Are we convinced Max and Porcello continue improving, or are they basically the pitchers we have seen going forward? What about Valverde? Do we think he is bound to be as effective? (And I don't just mean no blown saves. I know that stat is misleading) Are we comfortable with our lefties out of the pen?
I say all of this not to be a downer, because I love the Tigers and actually do like their chances to win the division in 2012 quite a bit. But to think they are a shoo-in seems a little too confident to me. I also understand that deals can be made during the season. However, I just think that sites should be set beyond just the division anyway, with a World Series of course being the goal.
So I hate to make this gigantic ramble boil down to one simple point, but I wanted to give background to my thinking: Considering all the other factors I just mentioned, it is pretty important it seems to me to continue the improvement of the club, and not just to satisfy our collective off-season boredom. A third base platoon of Inge/Kelly is simply not acceptable. I'm not thrilled with 2nd base, but I can live with it. I am not thrilled with a piece-meal 5th starter spot, but I can live with it I guess. (Although I don't think it is a great idea. Actually I think another starter better than a 5th spot guy is the preferred option) 3rd base is not something I am prepared to be ok with. There are to many other "what ifs" in my brain to be ok with throwing away 4 at bats a game from that spot. I don't hate Inge or Kelly at all, but I do not want them starting for my favorite team.
So here is a plea from a big fan who is not simply bored with this off-season, but has actual concerns amount the state of the team as it enters the 2012 season. I really do belive more often than not, a team not improving is bound to regress. And probably sooner than expected. (By the way, on the outside chance anyone actually read this whole thing, hey thanks!)
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Our pre-season roster right now is better than it was in 2006 and 2011.
I think setting standards too high is a huge mistake, especially in a game like baseball. Where the line between winning and losing isn’t that great. We’re probably going to win 60 games and lose 60 games no matter what. What happens in those other 42 games is what makes or breaks the season. It’s a long long season. It’s a marathon of marathons.
The Free Agent season is even close to being over either. The Yoenis Cespedes lottery hasn’t started yet. If we get him, there could be more moves on the way. Roy Oswalt is still available too. There is no reason to start freaking out right now.
3B should work itself out too.
Inge is actually decent against Lefties. So for those 50 or so games against southpaws we’ll be at least OK. Once the inter-league games are done with, that be June 24, we’ll probably acquire a rental at 3B, like we did last season. I think the Tigers will be creative at 3B during those 9 inter-league games with no DH, in which we might see Cabrera at 3B. After that we’ll be 72 games into the season, with 90 games left to play.
Then we can start thinking about shaping the roster for the home stretch and a play-off run. Who knows, we might have bigger problems than 3B at that time to solve. Something freak could happen. Verlander, Cabrera, or VMart and Avila could get hurt, and we might even have to punt the season. We should never ever play all our cards and go all in. We need to have Patience. Even if we fail this year, which is very doubtful, we still need to keep the organization strong for 2013 and beyond.
i tried to keep my tone measured
i agree, we should be just fine, and have earned the right to be prohibitive favorites in the central. i also know mid season acquisitions may be the way to go. my main point is we are counting on a lot of players to reproduce seasons or improve on seasons that might not be a given just yet. and you have way more confidence in inge than i do at this point. i think consistent at bats will expose him quickly, even in a platoon role. i’m really not a doomsdayer, i promise, and i don’t advocate trading turner and castellanos for any random pitcher. i just really think there is work yet to be done. (by the way, i think work will be done. i trust dd. i just felt like writing i guess.)
We had guys that had terrible 1st half slumps also
Ordonez, Raburn, AJax, Inge, and Santiago were all hitting well under their career averages. So maybe Raburn, AJax, Santiago, and Inge have bounce back years As long as Cabrera and VMart do their thing, we’ll score plenty of runs. I think we got 8 solid hitters in the everyday line-up. I say just let Leyland work his magic with those platoons.
When it comes to Don Kelly’s playing time, if he’s going to play somewhere, 3B is probably the best position for him. I really don’t like having his bat in a corner outfield spot at all. At 3B, I can stomach him much better. Don Kelly is about the only hitter though who can make me jump out of my seat when he hits a homerun. It’s a special moment.
I agree with you
We need to add another bat somewhere to account from regression from Avila and Peralta, and we still have a gaping black hole of suck at 3B (and in LF- but I won’t freak so much about that until I can say I told you so). Getting Boesch back for RF will be nice, but we need another stick.
I think the rotation will be a bit better this year, if only because Scherzer got unlucky on homers last year. But we do need a #5 that’s at least a bit better than Brad Penny.
That said, I don’t think DD is going to stand still. I doubt there’ll be a big move, but he’ll make a move.
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Agree with all of this
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by DetroitSports on Jan 7, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
agree with both of you
shocking (that I agree with David!), yet expected (that I agree with DetroitSports, it’s happened a lot recently!)
by Kurt Mensching on Jan 7, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Not that I'm super insecure and needy or anything...
but don’t you mean all 3 of us? :)
by atlantatiger on Jan 8, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'll say this
I think if the Tigers acquire Cespedes that they have a completed roster. While I don’t like the platoon situation at 2nd and 3rd, I understand that the Tigers can’t have two $12-15 million dollar guys at those positions. I’m real big on Cespedes, if he were to come to Detroit and hit .270/20/80 or so, his defense and speed on the bases would be a massive upgrade over what Delmon provides for us.
With that Atlantatiger I do understand what you’re saying. There are certainly players due for a some regression, Avila probably won’t hit .300 again but look for something closer to .280 with a tremendous OBP and that still puts him as one of the best offensive cathcers in the league, similarly Peralta isn’t going to be a .300 hitter but with good hands and another 20-25 HR season I’d be okay if he regressed back to his career avg of .270 and Fister won’t be able to maintain the 1.70 ERA he had when he came over in the trade but since becoming an established starter he has an ERA of around 3.00 so anything close to that and he should win around 15 games next year. If you combine that with another 20 win season from Verlander, 14 wins from Scherzer and Porcello and 9-12 wins from the 5th starter in addition to what Cabrera and Martinez bring and regular contributions from the rest of the pack and the Tigers would be in prime position to win the division and make a run in the playoffs.
Take off your white wig, put down your gavel and stop judging...
While I think there are some improvements that can be made...
It’s not like there are 3Bs and 2Bs growing on trees. We can yell for DD to sign Roy Oswalt/random pitcher until we pass out, but ultimately it’s Oswalt/random pitcher’s decision. Maybe he simply doesn’t want to play in Detroit. I applaud the Tigers’ brass for staying patient and not making moves just for the sake of making a move. If the right opportunity isn’t there, then I’m OK with going into the season with the roster as it currently is.
I'm not going to automatically assume that Peralta declines.
One thing that is extremely obvious is that he strikes out much less now than what he did for Cleveland. He’s become more selective at the plate. He’s swinging at 1st pitch strikes more often, instead of taking pitches for the sake of taking pitches. Swinging at strikes and not swinging at balls is what good hitters do. I think Peralta has genuinely become a better hitter. If he keeps this approach, he’ll be about a .290 hitter because he won’t be giving up 40 AB’s a year to strike outs, just so that he can gain about 20 more walks. Remove that 0 – 40, from his batting average, and his .270 avg jumps up to .290 just like that.
It's just because he's soooooo happy to not be playing 3B any longer
//thick sarcasm to be noted in the subject and remainder of post
The Tigers made Peralta into a substantially better hitter by not doing anything with his batting stance, approach, mechanics. They simply said, “You can play SS, Jhonnny.”
In response, Jhonny said, “Well, by all means, I’ll quit tanking all my AB’s now and start actually trying. I’m so happy.”
//sarcasm ends
I just wanted a place to rant about how I often hear that Peralta has hitting poorly in Cleveland because he wasn’t happy at third.
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I do think he'll fall off a bit
Not much, but a bit.
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We're just used to Dombrowski being more active
After past off seasons that included blockbuster deals like the one that brought us Miguel Cabrera and Max Scherzer I gotta agree with AtlantaTiger. I expected a little more this off season than:
(1) Trading Ryan Perry for essentially Ryan Perry
(2) Signing a guy that has played for every team in baseball at least once
(3) Signing GERALD LAIRD!

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