Larkin IN - Tramell and Morris miss out AGAIN
by Jim Bunn on Jan 9, 2012 4:03 PM EST
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PrintThe Baseball Writers of America have done it again.
I really believe that Major League Baseball needs to take over the Baseball Hall of Fame. The current system does not work and it's not just because of Morris and Trammell. I propose a committee of announcers, writers, team officials and FANS. Back in the day the writers were the ones that saw all the ball players. Today with some teams televising 162 games and with inter league play we know longer have to rely on bitter scribes that are sanctimonious and self righteous.
What the writers did to Ron Santo was pathetic. If I was his family I would attend the ceremony and then tell the writers to stuff the plaque. Writers KNEW that the veteran's committee would probably let Santo, in so they refused to elect him and the beloved Chicago Cub third basement and broadcaster DIED before getting enshrined.
Jack Morris was simply the BEST starting pitcher of his time and deserves to be in the Hall of Fame
Alan Trammell's career was superior some areas and equal in most to that of Barry Larkin.
It's a shame both may have to wait for the verterans committee to get in to the Hall of Fame.
Guess I can cancel that trip to Cooperstown I had planned to watch Jack Morris get inducted this summer.
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Raise your hand if you're surprised
No one? Yeah, me neither.
by Rob Rogacki on Jan 9, 2012 4:08 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I'm surprised people are pulling for Morris.
Trammell, I’m just annoyed and will bitch about forever.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
Exactly
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It was the 1980's.
He was the winningest pitcher of an entire decade.
If you don’t think winning games and championships matter, then you probably won’t care for Morris.
Teams win games – pitcher wins are an accounting fiction.
by D.Szymborski on Jan 17, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'll gladly rage forever about Trammell (and Whitaker, for that matter) being excluded from the Hall,
but Morris was only a little better than average. If it weren’t for the fact that he played for some good teams (thus inflating his win totals) and pitched that ONE great game in the WS, he would look like a pretty mediocre pitcher.
Take Morris' numbers, and don't change a single one
But make it so every IP, Morris threw for the Tigers. That means that 10 inning masterpiece to beat Smoltz would have been for the Tigers. That means the WS he helped the Jays win, would have been with the Tigers. Just for arguments sake, every accomplishment Morris had would have been for the Tigers. All 254 wins with the OED on his cap.
Woud the Tiger fans who are so non-chalant about Morris being a HOF remain so?
Picture Morris helping the Tigers win 3 WS. Not one career number for Morris changes in this scenario.
I have a feeling the people who can’t “see” Morris belonging in the HOF would have a change of heart?
Justin can now let the fungus grow back on his shower shoes.
He was still a Tiger in my heart
When Kirk Gibson hit that historic homer off of Dennis Eckersley in the World Series, in my mind it was a win for the Tigers.
don't be so sure
a lot of the opposition to Morris is that his career numbers just don’t compare real favorably to Hall candidates. This is the argument put forth by saberists. I think you’ll find saberists try to look at things intellectually to find the best answer.
I think a lot of non-saber Tigers fans want to see Morris in anyway, as he certainly fits the “fame” requirement.
by Kurt Mensching on Jan 9, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't think of Morris as a Tiger in this situation.
Just a pitcher who was pretty good but doesn’t measure up.
I have a grand idea: let's win a game.
I think the "saberists" argument is BS
Sabermetrics has been around for about a decade. They’ve been voting players into the HOF for MUCH longer than that. Using these new fandangled fancy metrics are nice ways of evaluating players, but there are a lot of guys who got in without the advanced statistical BS.
I guess that’s what the veterans’ committee is for.
by H2OPoloPunk on Jan 16, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I have nothing against Morris – he’s just way down the list of best starting pitchers not in the Hall.
Trammell and Whitaker, I’d induct in a second if I could.
by D.Szymborski on Jan 17, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. I never really thought of Morris as a HOF pitcher. He was good and at times could have been dominant but he was never consistently dominant and I think that he needed to be.
Tram I think was never a first ballot type of guy but I always pictured him as being a guy that would get in a few years after he first got on the ballot.
Whitaker, there is just no excuse for the complete ignorance displayed by everyone on the BBWA that ignored him. I think I remember looking at one point and statistically he would have been one of the top 5 or so offensive 2B in the hall (I think this was before Sandburg was inducted)
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