Brandon Inge to compete for second base job
by Kurt Mensching on Feb 16, 2012 7:08 PM EST
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I take one little nap -- one little nap. -- and Brandon Inge news explodes across my social media feeds. Inge asked Jim Leyland for permission to give second base a try this spring. Leyland granted it. Inge will be working with former Cardinals manager Tony La Russa in non-official, non-uniform capacity for two weeks, the Detroit News' Tom Gage reports. (whoops, combined two topics in my sleep haze. sorry)
MLB.com beat writer Jason Beck first reported the News on Twitter:
Leyland: Inge has asked for chance to compete for 2nd base job. He'll get his shot. More to come on the site.
— Jason Beck (@beckjason) February 16, 2012
Gage followed up with a quote from Tigers manager Jim Leyland:
"don't know how he will handle the pivot, plus he has to hit" - #Tigers Leyland about Inge
— Tom Gage (@Tom_Gage) February 16, 2012
The two big issues are how Inge takes to second base defensively, and I think that's the lesser issue, and how Inge hits, and that's an issue anywhere. Inge has never played at second base before, but he is athletic and I would expect to see him take to the footwork of the position.
The biggest issue with Inge is always how he performs at the plate. Coming off a season where he hit .197 -- and we won't even discuss his on-base percentage or slugging average for fear of scaring the kids who might read BYB -- Inge hit his way right off the team last July. If Inge can get his average up a bit and if he finds a return of his power to 2009 or 2010 levels, that might be enough. Let's also remember that Inge hits left-handed pitchers much better than right.
The worry is, well, Leyland finding the right places to put everyone. Delmon Young should not start in left field. He will anyway. Raburn should not start at second base. He might anyway. If Leyland tries too hard to get Inge into his lineup, well, it could be ugly. However, if Inge plays in a platoon with Ramon Santiago (splits), who doesn't hit particularly well anyway, and Leyland shifts Raburn out of the infield entirely, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, would it? Just talking out loud here though.
By now, Twitter has turned into a typical Inge-versation. Half the people hate giving Inge any chance at all, half the people hate the haters. The comment thread on this story may go in that direction as well if I ever wake up enough to post this in any coherent fashion. (I'm not just dreaming this Inge thing, am I?)
But, like everything else, taking a wait and see approach seems prudent here.
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more competition the better
the odds of finding a player, to have a good year, increases the more players you have to pick from. doesnt it??? man i hope so.
Avoided the slammer, I see.
Or do they offer wireless access there?
by knucklescarbone on Feb 16, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Tigerdog was on the other side of the court case you're referring to
by Rob Rogacki on Feb 16, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
If he needs a good appellate lawyer . . .
. . . he can email me!
Inge platoons with Santiago at 2nd, Kelly as a supersub, Raburn in left, Delmon Young a near-full-time DH. I’d take that.
Wait til October...
again, look beyond the latest year's split
splits by nature are going to be small sample sizes.
by Kurt Mensching on Feb 16, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
More splits
Santiago- 3 years
as RHB 305 .351 .403 .754
as LHB .254 .317 .353 .670
Inge- 3 year
vs LHP .247 .345 .460 .805
vs RHP .223 .292 .346 .638
Still looks like they both hit far better vs lefties, no?
The ideal platoon partner for Santiago would be a lefty hitter. Using him only against righties is playing against his strength.
"King of Minutiae"
by Tigerdog1 on Feb 16, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm
I agree with that statement, but I am more concerned with getting Raburn out of the infield and Young off the field entirely. Min/maxing is good and all, but its hard to get excited about those hitters we know exist in the cloud of mediocre to bad hitters. Obviously mediocre is better than below-average is better than bad, but also when you get to that point there’s room for a little creativity rather than sticking to the numbers. This is assuming Inge can play 2B reasonably well and not have a repeat of his abysmal 2011.
Wait til October...
I've never seen Inge take a hard slide at 2nd
… or pull a side-ways throwing double play. Not happening.
by H2OPoloPunk on Feb 16, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
At least Inge is trying to be useful to the club
I’ll take that rather than him pouting and sitting on the bench all season playing 3rd
I Like Pie
The more versatile Inge is the better
If he’s going to take up a roster spot, then I’d like to see him in a role like Don Kelly’s, as a back-up at several positions.
I really like the fact that LaRussa will be around
even though it’s in no official capacity, he knows the game and can be a big help for those few weeks… loved hearing that
Did we really just sign Prince Fielder? Holllllllllly sh*t.
As long as LaRussa doesn't offer anyone a ride home...
"All aboard! There is plenty of room."
Brennan Boesch Bandwagon Conductor
I think Inge is looking at the 2B position and thinkingg
“Why not? No one really wants Rayburn there. Santiago won’t be allowed to go full time. Hey I could DO this! Who else can hit home runs for the children’s hospital? Jim will do this for THE CHILDREN! He HAS to let me try this! "
In all seriousness he will be given a chance to earn a job. DD and Illitch owe him that.
Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.
by murrajo on Feb 16, 2012 7:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
In fairness, DD and Illitch don't owe him anything
besides the money left on his contract. we do seem rather loyal, especially to guys like Inge… but they don’t owe him a thing.
Did we really just sign Prince Fielder? Holllllllllly sh*t.
Did LaRussa lose a bet or something?
Can’t figure why else he’d be there to work with Inge.
there was actually past talk about him joining the Tigers' front office
there’s some connection there — especially with Leyland.
by Kurt Mensching on Feb 16, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
It seems unlikely his only role is going to be
working with Inge on his footwork at 2nd. In fact, I imaging there are a lot of guys out there that are better equipped than LaRussa for that. Maybe Tony will be a kind of shadow coach for the Tigers, the way Phil Garner is apparently helping out in Oakland.
by knucklescarbone on Feb 16, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Duncan is on sabbatical
His wife has cancer
by TartanElk on Feb 16, 2012 8:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cardinals are also discussing his successor too
They don expect him back it seems.
by TartanElk on Feb 16, 2012 8:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Derek Lilliquist has already been named their full-time pitching coach
and they don’t expect Duncan to ever return in full capacity
Did we really just sign Prince Fielder? Holllllllllly sh*t.
don't think he's there specifically to work with Inge
I think it’s more the Leyland connection Kurt mentioned. Even though he’s retired, I’m sure he’s getting that itch as spring training camps are starting to open. While he might not be in charge of his own team anymore, this will keep him involved.
Did we really just sign Prince Fielder? Holllllllllly sh*t.
yeah I think I combined two different topics in my sleep haze
by Kurt Mensching on Feb 16, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt we will see LaRussa posing in the dugout in a Tigers uniform,
like Garner last year in Oakland.
I wonder how much Phil paid FSD for that shot.
by knucklescarbone on Feb 16, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
The itch would explain it too
He’ll get his baseball fix during the day and then have the nights to spend with his friends. He probably misses telling all his Chitown fart jokes to Leyland.
If Inge is platooning with Ramon
at second, and maybe sharing backup duties with Kelly at third, I would say that is an upgrade over having Raburn platooning at second and limiting Inge to the 3b backup role.
One thing about Inge last season, I do not think the mono thing was concocted. If he had mono, that would partially explain his poor season. I am sure that is factoring into the decision to give him every opportunity to contribute this year.
by knucklescarbone on Feb 16, 2012 7:40 PM EST reply actions
I think there's 5.5 million reasons they're giving Inge an opportunity to contribute
"Virtually all tactical ploys—the sacrifice bunt, the stolen base, the hit-and-run—operate on average to reduce run scoring." -- Eric Walker
No no no no no no no no no no no no no
There are at least three better 2B options ahead of Inge. Raburn is a notorious slow starter who’s going to be an everyday player either at 2B or LF, so we should start getting him his reps early and often. Santiago is a switch hitter who hit both righties and lefties 75 points better than Inge did last year. Even Danny Worth is an arguable offensive upgrade at this point in Inge’s career, and from what minor league stats I can find seems to be a reasonably solid defensive second baseman.
Inge’s role in any rational regime would be late-inning defensive sub and occasional PH against LHP. He’s 34 with two knees that were operated on to address a health issue that makes roughly half the people who suffer from it quit sports.
Oh, and mono doesn’t make you hit .170 against righties but .245 against lefties.
"Virtually all tactical ploys—the sacrifice bunt, the stolen base, the hit-and-run—operate on average to reduce run scoring." -- Eric Walker
Raburn is what, 30, 31?
His chances to morph into a useful full-time player are dwindling.
Wait til October...
Raburn's had three seasons of more than 110 GP
And he posted an OPS of .891, .814 and .729 in them. Inge hasn’t had an OPS over .720 since 2006.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not sending in my membership papers to the Ryan Raburn Fan Club, but going to a Tigers game in 2012 and expecting to see the difference-making Inge of 2004-2006 is like when I went to see Smokey Robinson a few years ago and his backup singers had to hit the high notes for him. He isn’t what he used to be and we1 need to accept that and move on.
1 – And by “we” I mean “he”
"Virtually all tactical ploys—the sacrifice bunt, the stolen base, the hit-and-run—operate on average to reduce run scoring." -- Eric Walker
If you ever decide to fill out that paperwork, let me know
As President of the Ryan Raburn Fanclub, I like to know when people join.
Oddly enough, membership tends to swell in August.
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by David Tokarz on Feb 16, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Imposter!
If you were truly a member, you’d know it is the Ryan RaYburn fan club.
If your parents didn't have any children, chances are you won't either
by Singledigit on Feb 16, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
that used to be my position!
As stated in my signature last year… but sadly, it became too much to handle and I gave up my duties
Did we really just sign Prince Fielder? Holllllllllly sh*t.
I don't think Raburn is as notorious of a slow starter as we say
Looking at the numbers, this is only a 2010-2011 trend. He actually hit pretty good his first full month in 2009. And really, he had decent — not great — Aprils the past two years before slumping.
by Kurt Mensching on Feb 16, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
he has had two horrid first halves
and they seem to be pretty much without rhyme or reason
followed by two tremendous second halves, and we’re like “who is that guy”?
"King of Minutiae"
Last year, I think it was about confidence
I did fanpost about it: The Curse and the Catch
No, you are right.
Mono does not explain his splits.
But his overall average was better after he came back from his rehab. Vs. both sides of the mound.
by knucklescarbone on Feb 16, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Best news for Inge lovers and haters
For the lovers: If they are right then he helps the team and they see him play on a regular basis.
For the haters: If they are right he flames out and there is no going back to third – MLB career over.
No more middle ground.
by Hungry Lion on Feb 16, 2012 8:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wantin' ain't gettin'
"Some guy told me I should walk with the Lord. I'd rather walk with the bases loaded" Ken Singleton
even though
he’s never actually played second in a big league game
@walkoffwoodward | www.walkoffwoodward.com
I think
The card meant metaphorically, in regards to how far his MLB career has gone.
by H2OPoloPunk on Feb 16, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There is no room at the Inge
On the 25, that is.
If your parents didn't have any children, chances are you won't either
Does this mean that Don Kelly is moving to the bullpen permanently?
by Rob Rogacki on Feb 16, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Well, Donny has the best ERA on the Tigers' staff.
But I am not sure about his “upside”.
by knucklescarbone on Feb 16, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
No, but it probably means that Danny Worth’s chin (and presumably the rest of him) start the season in Toledo.
Wait til October...
If Inge can show he can fill the spot,
you are almost certainly correct.
by knucklescarbone on Feb 16, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Inge should just platoon with the FSD girls and make more awkward spots.
That’s the closest thing he has to a full time job, unless he magically learns how to hit better.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
If he doesn't want to
I hereby volunteer. Those are two very pretty girls (don’t tell my wife).
by knucklescarbone on Feb 16, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
well they ARE interviewing for a 3rd one
Inge would fit the bill perfectly (haha jk!)
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Perhaps Inge could magically become third base coach.
Might be a fan consensus for full time there.
In all honesty, that would probably be enough for half of the Inge lovers...
They just love to see him on camera anyways.
President of the Tony Scheffler Fan Club
All I have to say about this is....
Can I have some of what he’s on? I mean seriously??
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Wow.
Christmas in February for Detroit bloggers.
3 BF was one of my favorite Detroit Tigers seasons- right until the end.
would have preferred if this news came out closer to 9 in the morning haha
by Kurt Mensching on Feb 16, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Or on a Monday?
"You, on the other hand, make Eeyore look like Rainbow Brite." -johnmoz
"I think of you more as the blue book style essay of sports journalism."-Kurt Mensching
by David Tokarz on Feb 17, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Waste of an arm
Guys gonna get 50 starts or so @ third vs lefties… if he hits .. I guess there is no way his def could be worse than raburns…thats if he hit…thats if he hits…if he hits … He hits?
by Wolverine119 on Feb 16, 2012 11:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He "hits"
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"I think of you more as the blue book style essay of sports journalism."-Kurt Mensching
by David Tokarz on Feb 17, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Could he have a swan song
season in him? Could it be possible that he platoons between 2nd & 3rd against lefties and hits .242 with 9 HR and 35 RBI in 270 AB’s as the Tigers roll to the ALCS? I suppose it’s possible, and IF he hits for a little power we will probably see him break with the big club at the conclusion of spring training. If it gets RaYburn out of the infield, then it’s a good thing…
Here I am!
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it was the other way around..." Jim Bouton
by JimWalewander on Feb 17, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
In reality, this comes down to whether you trust management to do the right thing if it doesn't work
Some folks are tired of Inge, no matter what, and want him gone- not me
Some folks are in love with Inge, and want to find him a place to play- not me
Some folks blindly trust management to make the right decision- not me
Some folks think it can’t be a bad idea in theory, but don’t trust management- getting warmer
Some folks think it’s not a bad idea in theory, and they can’t screw up second base much worse than it is- getting hot
Some folks are just all Inged out and want to get on with baseball already- winner!
"King of Minutiae"
Agree..Agree..Agree
Jus let Inge platoon @. Third..he can,pinch hit vs. lefties some & maybe roam the outfield in his swansong season
by Wolverine119 on Feb 17, 2012 1:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Roam the outfield maybe a dozen times#
by Wolverine119 on Feb 17, 2012 1:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What are the chances someone dangles a lefty reliever and DD trades him, paying salary?
We all know lefty relievers are Kryptonite to DD.
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by JimWalewander on Feb 17, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Brandon Inge
It certainly can’t hurt to give Inge a look at second base. Over time it will become clear who fits where. I have never understood why people have such extreme feelings about Inge. He’s a hard working guy who has proven himself over the years to be an average big leaguer. I feel sorry for the guy because he’s never quite lived up to hopes fans have for him, but I don’t think it’s fair to question his work ethic. I’d like him more if he didn’t try to pull outside pitches only to end up with his head aimed at the third base dugout. When he takes those pitches to right field he does better.
As mad as I was when I first heard this
I wouldn’t mind if he platooned with Santiago. Both will play above average defense, and it keeps Raburn away from the infield and hopefully pushes Delmon to a near full time DH role.
Jackson, Boesch, Cabrera, Fielder, Delmon (dh), Avila, Peralta, Raburn (lf), Inge/Santiago (2B) looks good to me.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -Rogers Hornsby
by InLeylandWeTrust on Feb 17, 2012 2:07 AM EST reply actions
Along with 2B . . .
. . . I wonder of Inge could bat left-handed this spring, to help the platoon work?
I'm fine with this.
Heck, the Tigers are paying him the money, might as well see if he can be useful somewhere. It hardly is going to hurt the development of all the tons of excellent second base prospects they have in the system.
Random nonsense at @Baroque97
"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
this is it exactly
in my opinion. if there was a prospect that needed to be seen or something, then MAYBE it would be more annoying to me. i can take or leave inge at this point, it’ll all be about production for me. but we know what santiago, raburn, and worth can do, and it’s not like hernan perez or anyone else is knocking on the door yet. it’ll just give people something to talk about this spring, which is good, because i already really miss the stories about how great zumaya feels.
by atlantatiger on Feb 17, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Inge
Inge first and foremost is an athelete. I think he has lost a step or two but he won’t embarrass himself at second either. The thing about Raburn is there is no real position on the field where you can hide him. Yes he is a second half hitter who is to good to be in the minors but defensively he is too bad to be in the majors. I don’t see much improvment with Raburn in LF over Young. In fact I think DD is looking for another LF as we speak. Somebody who doesn’t cost much but can hit in the bottom of the order and play an above average outfield. Not sure where that leaves Raburn except as a PH or a platoon player to give someone else a break. Not a big Inge fan but if he can play a decent 2b and hit .250 I guess it would be a wash.
To quote John Kruk
“I’m not an athlete, I’m a baseball player.”
by HawkeyeEdward on Feb 17, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
John Kruk vs. Randy Johnson
is similar to Brandon Inge vs. every pitcher.
by Rob Rogacki on Feb 17, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I read Andy Van Slyke's book on the 2008 season
And in it he said that Brandon Inge was the best athlete he’d ever seen in any sport.
I think that’s hyperbole (Uh, Andy, you played at the same time as Bo Jackson?) but probably sincerely meant.
"Virtually all tactical ploys—the sacrifice bunt, the stolen base, the hit-and-run—operate on average to reduce run scoring." -- Eric Walker
Why not?
It Pushes Raburn and Delmon into a DH/LF split. It brings Dirks or Thomas into that LF mix if Raburn starts slow or if there’s an especially tough righty on the mound. I think he’ll be a better 2b than Raburn…no harm.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Groundhog Day
2004: Tigers sign somebody better to play Inge’s position (catcher). He camps unhappily until he’s given 3B.
2007: Tigers sign somebody better to play Inge’s position (3B). He camps unhappily until he’s given CF.
2011: Tigers sign somebody better1 to play Inge’s position (3B). He camps unhappily until he’s sent to Toledo.
2012: Tigers move somebody better to Inge’s position (3B). He camps unhappily until he’s allowed to compete for 2B.
And yet he’s somehow got this reputation as a great team player and loyal son of the franchise. He’s been “I want to play every day, trade me someplace I can start” more than once and more than I can remember from any other Tiger in recent memory.
I will absolutely give Inge respect for everything he does in the community, but that should earn him a nice Lucite statuette or something, not a 25-man roster spot.
1 – Well, at least they thought so at the time.
"Virtually all tactical ploys—the sacrifice bunt, the stolen base, the hit-and-run—operate on average to reduce run scoring." -- Eric Walker
Huh?
Tell me, exactly, how much complaining did Brandon do this off season after losing 3rd. All we know is that Leland said “he isn’t the happiest camper.” Does that sound like a lot of complaining to you?
Oh, and of course you remember Inge longer than any other player in recent history, because he’s been around longer than any other player in recent history. I think you should consider your sample size there.
by ottisfranklin on Feb 17, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
“I’ve played baseball my whole life. I’ve started my whole life. I’m a baseball player. I don’t want to platoon.”
— Inge to Free Press reporter this offseason, before Fielder signing. So, he was mouthing off to reporters even before losing the job officially, when it was going to be a competition between him and Betemit and/or Kelly and/or Worth.
It reminded me of:
“I think I’m just as good, if not better, than Pudge defensively. That’s the way I feel. And if I didn’t feel that way, I’d probably quit the game, because my strong side is defense.”
— Inge to Jason Beck in 2004 when dealing with Rodriguez coming in to take the starting catcher job
So, yeah.
By “recent memory,” I mean the 30 years I’ve been watching the Tigers. Others who go back farther into the ‘70s or ’60s or whatever may have other candidates. If I’m forgetting somebody, I’d love to know — even somebody as notoriously difficult as Sheffield kept his muttering pretty much in-house when he became a DH against his wishes.
You’ve got a batting champion and MVP candidate happily doing the “Oh, I’d love to move out of the position I just got done learning to make room for this guy who’ll probably mean I won’t get re-signed here” game and saying all the right things to support the team, and Mendoza Line-hitting Inge is the one who’s let the “he’s unhappy, what will that mean in the clubhouse?” narrative continue in the media without even a statement saying something trite like “I’m willing to do whatever’s best for the team, I just want us to win a World Series for the fans and Mr. Ilitch.”
I don’t blame Inge for being unhappy. I don’t blame him for wanting to compete at any position in which he thinks he can win a starting job. I think both of those are natural and healthy reactions for a professional athlete. What I do blame him for is the emo drama that he’s either causing or allowing to happen in the public eye, even when given Cabrera’s simultaneous example of how to handle such a situation with grace and positivity for the benefit of the team.
"Virtually all tactical ploys—the sacrifice bunt, the stolen base, the hit-and-run—operate on average to reduce run scoring." -- Eric Walker
So basically
You are saying you prefer apathetic players that are not competitive and could care less if they play or not?
There is nothing wrong with Inge saying he wants to start, that is called competitiveness. If anything Inge should be kind of praised for how he has handled these situations throughout his Tiger career. He has changed his position three times in the time he has been here, and is about to try and change it a 4th time. How would you feel if your company came to you and said, hey we know we hired you as a salesman, and that is what you have done for us for the last few years, but we just hired a better salesman so we are going to cut your hours by 3/4 of what they used to be, or you can keep working the same amount of hours and go be a secretary even though you have never been a secretary and you will have to compete with secretaries that have 10 years of experience to see if you can even be a secretary. Then a couple years later they do the same thing only this time they are going to make you a janitor. I am sure you would just smile and be completely happy about it.
What “emo drama” has Inge spread in the media or anywhere else? He just said that he wants to start and not platoon. That isn’t drama, that is just stating the obvious.
I am not an Inge lover, I am actually fairly apathetic about him. I think if he can play 2B defensively then he would be an offensive upgrade over Santiago (if he can get back to about his career numbers),.
Lemonade from lemons
They’re already tossing around moving Castellanos. Why not move Inge? Many of us wanted Inge to try shortstop in the past. Would he have been worse than Everett? If he can handle second, who in the minors could displace him, in the succeeding years?
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