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.304 Average for Austin Jackson?





OK, so I did a little number crunching. I wanted to see what kind of batting average we might expect out of Austin Jackson if he cuts down on his strike outs.

As we all know, Jackson had a .249 batting average in 2011. For at bats that he did not strike out in, he batted .359 (hits / (by total at bats - stikeouts)) which, I know, is a fictitous number but I needed something to work with. That came out to 147/(591-181) = .359.

I then took his total at bats and divided that into his 2011 hit total plus half of his strike out count (assuming that the adjustments he's making results in a 50% improvement) multiplied by that non-strike-out batting average (.359). That came out to =(147+0.5*181*(147/(591-181)))/591 = .304.

Is it reasonable to think that Austin may be able to reduce his strikeout total by half?

If so, is a .304 (or so) batting averate a reasonable expectation for him this season?

Even more important, if he gets to an average like that, with fewer strikouts, what do you think would be the likely impact on the Tiger's offense this year?

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i dont think aj is a .300 hitter to begin with.i also dont think hes going to improve across the board at a 50% level,however,i do think (hope) he will improve some this year.but,i do think that aj is closer to a .275-.290 hitter.as long as he can improve his obp i think hell be fine.

by tigerfaninboston on Feb 3, 2012 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

to answer your question
Is it reasonable to think that Austin may be able to reduce his strikeout total by half?

No. Not reasonable at all.

Did we really just sign Prince Fielder? Holllllllllly sh*t.

by tigers22 on Feb 3, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I agree

If anything you should be happy with a 10% reduction, that hopefully continues to trend so that eventually he gets to the 100-120 K per year range. Even that may be wishful thinking. Generally, you don’t see guys with those types of K numbers suddenly turn into non-K guys.

by wilsonm24 on Feb 3, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly

I was going to say a 10% to 20% decrease would be fantastic. Like you said, strikeout guys just don’t cut their strikeouts in half that easily.

Did we really just sign Prince Fielder? Holllllllllly sh*t.

by tigers22 on Feb 3, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a huge reduction in strikeouts.

but it’s fun to look at none the less. A more reasonable figure would be 5-10%.

Career wise Jackson has had a rediculous BABIP with it being .340 this past season. His speed probably has a lot to do with this because he can leg out soft grounders more efficiently.

He does need to walk more, which is the easier way to impact his strikeouts. If he can increase that and maintain an above average BABIP (which will probably continue to regress, but should remain above average) than he’s probably a .275 hitter at best with a ceiling of .290.

With his defense, that’s a pretty good player to have on your team.

by madpoopz on Feb 3, 2012 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

I just wanna see AJax

Hit about .280 this year. If he can do that I’d be happy.

While it’s certainly not reasonable for him to cut his strikeout total in half, I do think he could probably cut down about a third of his K’s, but even that is probably wishful thinking.

by JWurm on Feb 3, 2012 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

Nothing in Jackson's past suggests it remotely reasonable to expect a decrease by half

by the time you reach the ranks of the MLB, you generally are what you are. Some ballplayers — think Jose Bautista — burst through when they get older but it’s generally best to expect otherwise while hoping some coach will make a difference.

by Kurt Mensching on Feb 3, 2012 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

I don't think that's a reasonable assumption

Strikeouts are simply part of Jackson’s game. Always have, and always will.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -Rogers Hornsby

by InLeylandWeTrust on Feb 3, 2012 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

Jhonny Peralta cut his strike out rate by 32%

In 2006, 152 K’s / 24.1%.
in 2011, 95 K’s / 16.5 %.

It looked like it was a gradual process that happened over 6 seasons. You’ll also see that his walk rate went down also.

                            
Year Age Tm SO% BB%
2003 21 CLE 24.1% 7.4%
2004 22 CLE 21.4% 10.7%
2005 23 CLE 22.5% 10.2%
2006 24 CLE 24.1% 8.9%
2007 25 CLE 22.6% 9.4%
2008 26 CLE 19.0% 7.2%
2009 27 CLE 20.8% 7.9%
2010 28 TOT 16.8% 8.6%
2010 28 CLE 18.5% 8.6%
2010 28 DET 14.1% 8.7%
2011 29 DET 16.5% 6.9%
9 Seasons 20.6% 8.4%
MLB Averages 17.4% 8.5%

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/3/2012.

by Keith-Allen on Feb 3, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

Here's some number crunching...I made a spreadsheet

Click here for spreadsheet…not sure if you’ll be able to change data

Assuming PA’s go up a little bit because our overall offense is better, we’ll give him 680 PA’s. Take away about 20 SAC’s/HPB and 58BB’s (assuming a slight increase in BB% to 8.6%). That gives him about 601 AB’s. Assuming a drop to even just 24% in K% gives him 163K’s. Subtract K’s from AB’s and you essentially have Balls in Play of 438. Assuming a BABIP of .340 like last year, he’ll get about 149 hits. Divided by the 601 AB’s gives him a .248 AVG and .345 OBP. (Something is a little wrong in my math, but I can’t figure out what.) It’s pretty close though.

In order for Jackson to hit .300, it would probably be a combination of a lot of things going right. I don’t think that will happen, but I’m actually more concerned about OBP, which could become .350 if he can drop the K% to about 23% instead of 27% and/or raise the BB%.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Feb 3, 2012 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

I think your numbers (as far as average) are about right

Considering last year he had 591 AB’s (668 PA) and 147 hits you are probably spot on.

Your problem with OBP is that you used AB’s instead of PA’s to calculate it. Plus you need to seperate out IBB and HBP and add those to since they are factored into OBP (SAC’s obviously are not and they actually hurt your OBP). Assuming that they stay the same as last year he would have a .315 OBP.

So basically, dropping his K% 10% (roughly) really doesn’t improve his BA and or OBP much, if at all. Even a drop to 20% K% would still only give you a 263 BA and a 328 OBP

by wilsonm24 on Feb 3, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

McClendon gushed about AJax's progress

over the off season, but a 50% K drop woud be an amazing adjustment, thats for sure. I agree with others projections of a .280 type hitter with maybe a season or two flirting with .300. He is still young and he works hard, he’s also a hell of an athlete so I wouldnt rule out that he tops out higher than that.

by MotorCityCat on Feb 3, 2012 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

Granderson did it

Always has been lots of comparison between Jackson and Granderson. Remember how many times Granderson struck out as a Tiger? Whatever the Yankee hitting coach saw and did sure changed his strikeouit rate. Makes one wonder if a new hitting coach might help Jackson, Raburn, Inge etc. with stike outs.

by benyodel on Feb 3, 2012 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

Well shut my mouth

Just hate it when I’m wrong. Nice check I would have sworn he had improved.

by benyodel on Feb 4, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

If he can cut down his strikeouts

Austin Jackson holds the all-time record for the highest overall BABIP after two big league seasons at .369. Wade Boggs is second at .368. AJ clinched the record with a clutch 4 hit, 8 strikeout performance over his last 14 ABs (.667 BABIP) last season.

by GWilson on Feb 3, 2012 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

Jackson's career is likely to look a lot closer to 2011 than 2010

I think pegging him for a .350 BABIP is fair. He’ll be higher some years, lower some years.

by Kurt Mensching on Feb 3, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

jackson

still has a ton of room for growth, i don’t think it is fair to say he is going to be the same player he was in his second year for the rest of his career. Jackson is developing more power and is one of the best atheletes in the game. I think he has star written all over him and he is only going to get better when his contact rates improve.

by Benzy Ferrari on Feb 3, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

The optimists and pessimists both present valid points

the reality will most likely occur at the midpoint of those 2 extremes

Wait til October...

by NoVaVolt on Feb 3, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Seeing a different Jackson at the plate

Legendary Lloyd mentioned at the Tigers caravan that Jackson’s mechanics will change in spring training. His leg lift of the past will be toned down considerably, allowing Austin to go inside-out easier and start punching balls to RF more. Hopefully his lift to generate power last season gets shelved also. I liked Austin’s level swing of 2010 over what we saw in 2011.

by TheeMotownWebGuy on Feb 4, 2012 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

More reasonable to suggest that he stays stagnant in Ks and picks up a little more power - maybe 20 homers.

This is a bit of a stretch for him, but it’s definitely not unheard of for an athletic player like AJax to develop that kind of modest power. Then he’s basically Mike Cameron with a bit less power and a bit more speed, which would be tremendous for the Tigers. He’ll never be an archetypal leadoff guy, but he’ll probably be in that spot for most of his career, unfortunately.

by thepartybird on Feb 4, 2012 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

Should reiterate that this isn't really a likely outcome.

But it’s more likely than a 50% decrease in Ks at least.

by thepartybird on Feb 4, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

we’re likely to see some power increase, and his strikeout rate could possibly drop but I can’t imagine it would be less than 20% consistently and 22-23% seems more likely to me.

by Kurt Mensching on Feb 5, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

He should be bunting 500 times a a day.

We are stuck with him as leadoff. He is supposed to have great speed but doesn’t utilize it at the plate. His job is to get on base PERIOD! Tigers need to hire someone who lived on bunting. His strikeouts are unacceptable as leadoff. He could easily be a .300 hitter if he got 1 bunt single a week added in the mix. He needs to concentrate on hitting the ball down and hard. 3 plays have to be made when you do that..field it, throw it and catch it. Swinging and missing by a foot..barely any play has to be made. Learn to bunt..Learn to bunt.

by harley5571 on Feb 5, 2012 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

No way this is a good idea.

Telling anyone but Ichiro (with his combination of elite speed, left-handedness, and that weird already-running-to-first swing) to intentionally hit grounders is a recipe for a below-average hitter, no matter where you’re hitting in the lineup.

The better way for him to use that speed is to hit the ball into the gap for a double or maybe even a triple in our very triples-friendly home park. All those career bunters and slap hitters like Juan Pierre and Erick Aybar have one thing in common: they do(did) not have the potential to be a 20 homer, 40 double player like Jackson does.

by thepartybird on Feb 5, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

^This

All day

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Feb 6, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

AJ

the problem with him using the gaps is, hes gotta hit it first!! bunting once in a while is something he SHOULD be doing.he should also be working on steals this winter.i cant count how many times i watched him at first base last season and he looked flat out confused.he also tried stealing a few times when he shouldnt have and got thrown out just to have the guy at the plate get a knock.i think working on stealing more will make a huge impact for us when he eventually gets on base.

by tigerfaninboston on Feb 11, 2012 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

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