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Tigers' defense better than you think with Miguel Cabrera at third

Much attention has been given to the Tigers’ decision to begin the 2012 season with Miguel Cabrera returning to his former position at third base to make room for Prince Fielder at first base. There seems to be a consensus in the national media, and among unnamed baseball executives that the national press talks to, that there is no way Miggy can pull it off at the hot corner. I disagree.

I’ve done a little math and my calculations say that the Tigers will be better off defensively with Miguel Cabrera at third base, Delmon Young at DH, Ramon Santiago at second base and Ryan Raburn in left field, than they would be if Cabrera were to DH. Feel free to poke holes in this theory, or the math, and I won’t take offense, but I submit that reports of Cabrera’s demise as a third baseman have been greatly exaggerated.

Let's run a comparison of the alternatives that the Tigers have using the players on their current roster. In the first scenario, Cabrera is at third base, Santiago at second, Raburn in left, and Delmon is the DH. Call that scenario "Team Miggy". In the alternative scenario, Cabrera is the DH, Brandon Inge is at third, Young is in left field, and Raburn is at second base. Call that alignment "Team Inge." We're not even considering offense in this analysis. We’re just talking about the overall team defense right now.

I’m going to use UZR/ 150 for comparison purposes. No defensive metrics are perfect, but I think this is the most reliable measure that can be used, that takes into account the impact of a player’s defense in terms of runs saved or allowed over the course of a season. UZR by itself won’t work because it is a cumulative statistic that is dependent upon varying number of innings played. When doing comparisons between players with different inning totals, UZR/ 150 is the only way to go because it equalizes out when projected over 150 games.

A complete explanation of UZR can be found at Fangraphs.com. To summarize, a player with a UZR/ 150 of plus 6.0 would allow six fewer runs than the average player at his position over 150 games of play, while a player with a negative 3.0 allows three more runs at his position than the average player. The larger the number of innings in the sample size, the more accurate the result will be, so I have taken two seasons of work, from 2010 and 2011, and combined them using Fangraphs' tools.

These are the numbers used for our comparison, from fangraphs.com:
3B -- Inge + 3.3, Cabrera TBD (we’ll come back to him), (Kelly + 7.1)
2B -- Santiago + 9.2, Raburn - 18.8
LF -- Young -7.8, Raburn + 9.1, (Boesch - 2.8)

Now, let’s add them up. Team Miggy has Santiago plus 9.2, plus Raburn at positive 9.1, plus Cabrera to be determined. That’s a total of plus 18.3 without Cabrera’s number, which is certain to be a negative something. Team Inge has Inge + 3.3, Raburn - 18.8, and Young - 7.8. That’s a total of negative 23.3. Swap Kelly for Inge at third base and the negative falls to 19.5 runs..

Star-divide

Now for Cabrera’s number. The truth is that we don’t know how well, or how poorly Cabrera will play defensively at third base. He hasn’t played the position in four years. We can’t assume that he will be the same guy defensively, but it’s a starting point. Lee Panas broke down Cabrera's numbers here, using the various advanced metrics from Cabrera’s two full seasons at third base. These numbers show Cabrera's defense to range from three runs to sixteen runs below average for a season, and four to twelve runs below average over two years averaged.

Taking Cabrera’s UZR numbers from his time at third base previously in 2006 and 2007, he posted a negative 3.4 UZR/ 150 in 2006, and negative 4.4 in 2007. Over those two years, he averaged out at minus 4.0. By comparison, Inge was putting up a plus 12.2 for the Tigers over the same period, and Guillen posted a negative 8.1. Inge is no longer the same player defensively, as shown in his current numbers, but his defense is still above average.

This is an imperfect science, using UZR/150, but I think it’s the best we’ve got. You can cry "small samples" for some of the numbers, and you'd have a valid point. You can assume that Raburn will improve his defense in the infield, but know that his defense from 2010 to 2011 actually declined slightly (-21.0 in 2011), and his error rates have been horrid going back to his days in the minor leagues. You can replace Inge with Don Kelly, and narrow the gap by a few points more. You can say that Delmon improved a bit in 2011, which is also true. You can assume that Inge is better, or Santiago is worse than their numbers show for the past two seasons. Have at it, but let’s set some parameters.

So far, we have a positive 18.3 runs for Team Miggy vs a negative 23.3 runs for team Inge, a difference of 41.6 runs. That’s quite a gap. Cabrera would have to be just about the worst third baseman in the history of the game to even it up. So, let’s look for the worst case scenario. The worst third baseman in MLB last year with a minimum of 500 innings was the AstrosChris Johnson at negative 20.1 runs. Wilson Betemit was the worst in the AL with a negative 18.1.

If Cabrera was a negative 20, equal to the worst in MLB the last two years, with a minimum of 500 innings, that would cut the gap down to 21.6 runs in favor of Team Miggy. The worst qualified third baseman was Mark Reynolds with a negative 12.5 over those two seasons, and negative 30.3 in just 2011. His team just signed Betemit, so Mark might move to first base. Even using Reynolds worst case scenario, the Tigers are still 11.3 runs to the good with Cabrera at third base.This really isn't a close call.

A big part of the gap here is Ryan Raburn in left field vs Raburn at second base. As we all know, Raburn is either very good or very bad at the plate. If he hits, his bat needs to be in the lineup. If not, he needs to be elsewhere, and certainly not at second base. Just pulling Raburn from the lineup completely would begin to narrow the gap defensively, as his - 18.8 UZR/ 150 is taken out of the equation. However, you would still lose Raburn’s plus 9 in the outfield and take on Delmon’s negative defense, which together would almost offset that gain. There is a swing of 27.8 runs by moving Raburn from the infield to the outfield. To do that, Delmon needs to DH.

Assuming that Raburn hits like second half Raburn and not like he has in the first half of the past two seasons, the obvious solution is to leave Cabrera at third base, put Delmon Young at DH, and Raburn in left field. There may be a temptation to put both Raburn and Delmon in the outfield against lefties, but let’s not forget that Brennan Boesch has hit lefties even better than he has hit righties in his first two years with Detroit. Team Miggy's lineup is not the greatest defensive team, but it's the best alternative that the Tigers have using current personnel.

The Tigers were prepared to put Cabrera at third if they made it to the World Series last fall. They will put Cabrera at third base to start the 2012 season. Unless he is a total disaster at the position, expect him to play the vast majority of games at the hot corner. When Victor Martinez returns in 2013, he will fit right into the DH position where he was. That is not to say that Cabrera won’t occasionally DH or play first base, but the point here is that the Tigers are doing the right thing by starting Cabrera out at third base. Give it some time, even if it doesn’t start out well.

It’s a long season and we are sure to see many lineups used by Jim Leyland over the course of 162 games. Many fans will have many problems with these many lineups. But before complaining about Cabrera’s defense at third base, let’s just realize exactly how bad he would have to be in order to justify an alignment with Raburn in the infield and Delmon Young in the outfield.

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I still don't see anyone outside of Detroit and Tigers fans

predicting that he’ll play a “vast majority” of his games at 3B. I know they are committed to this, and trust me I hope it works. I just think realistically looking at the situation 50-70, maybe upwards of 90 games is what we’re looking at. I’ve seen some people predict he’ll be at 3rd for 150 games this year… highly, highly unlikely. Especially considering the flexibility of rotating the DH spot, he can DH and play 1B while Prince gets a “day off” from the field and moves to the DH role.

And really, its nice to look at things like this… but we just won’t know how good/bad he might be until we get in to spring training games and see him play 3rd on a daily basis.

Did we really just sign Prince Fielder? Holllllllllly sh*t.

by tigers22 on Feb 7, 2012 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

I'm never too concerned over what everyone predicts

The Tigers were supposed to finish in third last year, they were supposed to be worst after trading Granderson. The Phillies and Red Sox were supposed to be easy favorites to get to the World Series. Etc. Etc. Etc.

by Kurt Mensching on Feb 7, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand that

but predicting a record or division is different than evaluating the talent of an individual at a position. And this isn’t coming from the same people who make record predictions either. It’s scouts and executives… not some ESPN or SI writer who think they can predict the future.

Did we really just sign Prince Fielder? Holllllllllly sh*t.

by tigers22 on Feb 7, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

if they were better at actually evaluating talent they'd be a lot better at predicting things

Unfortunately, they’re not very good at evaluating anything, and they love to quote anonymous scouts who turn up incorrect on their thoughts constantly. Can’t say I disagree with their decision to remain anonymous. I’d want to stay anonymous too if I was planting false info or just plain wrong.

by Kurt Mensching on Feb 7, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

How many anonymous scouts said Matt Anderson was can’t miss? Or better yet, Todd Van Poppel?

by wilsonm24 on Feb 7, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

while that may be true

I’d tend to trust the the opinion of a talent evaluator in the industry as opposed to fan opinion. They think based on his skills, he won’t be a full time 3B. isn’t this the exact reason why in the future Castellanos might end up in a corner OF spot and not 3rd?

Saying it’s false info or just plain wrong seems to be a little biased… which is pretty much the point I’m getting at. Miggy is hands down my favorite player in the game and trust me, I really want him to succeed. I’m just trying to look at it objectively and realistically, that’s all.

Did we really just sign Prince Fielder? Holllllllllly sh*t.

by tigers22 on Feb 7, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Whoa, Kurt

One of your best posts ever. This needs to be BRIGHT green!!!

by TigerTom on Feb 7, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Follow the money. We know that we can’t trust a word DD says when it comes to players1, but we can certainly trust that the Tigers think they’re not going to be throwing tens of millions of dollars a year away by putting Miggy at a position in which he’ll be unable to succeed.

1 – Not in an evil way, just in a “I’m not going to tell you my plans” sort of way

"Virtually all tactical ploys—the sacrifice bunt, the stolen base, the hit-and-run—operate on average to reduce run scoring." -- Eric Walker

by johnmoz on Feb 7, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

the factors are
Cabrera getting time at 1B when Prince needs a break.

Cabrera at the DH some of the games when Fister or Porcello (i.e. groundball pitchers) are on the mound, particularly against lineups that look dangerous to the hot corner: fast, good hitting, teams that bunt, small ballers, etc.

If Miggy just plays 3B when JV and Scherzer start, that’s 60-65 games. So somewhere in the 50-90 range is right.

Infield defense can be be pretty mediocre when Verlander is on the mound throwing Ks without significantly affecting the game. JV will be less likely to throw a no-no this year, but they’ll win games.

by thesiberian on Feb 7, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

2 me...

Having Raburn play any position, weakens the defense & in my opinion doesn’t add 2 much 2 the offense either. And I hear this all the time from powers that be say well he can play almost every position, but he can’t play any of them well. I watch virtually every game & he’s a jack of all trade, a master of none. I’d rather see them rotate Santiago & Inge @ 2nd, I bet Inge could play 2nd, or Worth 4 that matter, anybody but Raburn, he’s like having a monopoly with the purple properties & not the 1’s w/ Charleston&Virgianis, etc.

by LTownDown on Feb 7, 2012 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

Raburn plays adequate defense in the outfield

The problem is when he fails he fails spectacularly (ex. Ball hits off his glove for a home run) but isn’t remembered when he does something good (saved the game with an outfield assist in game 163). Keep him away from second and Delmon out of left field and its an upgrade.

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by rock n rye on Feb 7, 2012 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

raburn's dives

His outfield d would improve if he played out there everyday, a lot of his ugly errors are on plays he has no business diving for which is a feel play and the only way to improve is with reps

by syper17 on Feb 7, 2012 11:39 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I've always felt like he's too aggressive, for whatever reason.

Just an impression I get from watching him. He seems to have good range and a good arm, though.

by ivantopumpyouup on Feb 7, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I agree...

Anyplayer’s performance is gonna improve w/ increased reps, he’s just so eradict & inconsistent, sometimes he just makes outstanding plays, where you’re like “who r u & what have u done w/ Raburn” & then other times he’s droppin routine flyballs, or jugglin routine grounders, line drives etc. & there’ss times he comes thru w/ a clutch HR or a RBI, but even that’s farely inconsistant. I’d just feel more comfy w/ Young & Boesch playin OF, & AJ of course. But, ya he’s a good utility guy.2 come in when some1 needs a rest or injury. I’m just not convinced he’s an every day dude. Look @ Santiago 4 his lack of playingtime, he comes off the bench & is more balanced, maybe not quite the power Raburn displays, @ times, but as Rod always says “he’s got sneaky power!” & his D is usually way better than Ryan’s, I think he could be an every day guy.

by LTownDown on Feb 7, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

AMEN

I’ve been saying this forever.

by Bone7958 on Feb 7, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree about Raburn

I too watch every game. First of all he doesn’t hit before the all star game..yet gets start after start. Him being in LF isn’t much of an improvement over DYoung. If you watch the games..Raburn takes horrible routes to balls..gets burnt and nobody in the Tiger organization says anything..not even Mario and Rod and Rod usually has an opinion about EVERYTHING. Oh sure he throws a guy out every blue moon, but it’s a “ut oh” every time ball is hit Raburn’s way. He has to be polishing somebody’s shoes. I’m sure the other Tiger players wonder the same thing about Raburn..“Just how does he keeps starting after killing rally after rally”. If he EVER hits early in season then we can put up with his liabilities, if not then he needs to ride the pine like everybody else who is slumping badly. One thing I hate about Leyland is that a player will be on a hot streak and JL will giive him a game break. I will NEVER understand this type of managing. If Raburn is in one of his 1 for 20 slumps..spare the fans PLEASE!

by harley5571 on Feb 7, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Pardon the rant...

But can we stop prefacing comments with “I watch every game…”? I think we’re all pretty much die hard fans here, no need to try to out-do someone else to prove a point.

/rant

by Rob Rogacki on Feb 7, 2012 2:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, well I watch like twenty games a year.

Because I live in Florida and don’t pay for MLB.tv. Beat that.

by thepartybird on Feb 7, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't have TV right now and haven't for a while,

so I haven’t seen a game for a couple of years. Beat that, Poopz!

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by 77bestrookieclassever on Feb 8, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

We always talk about buying it every year

but i know if i did buy, watching the games would consume my life. It’s all i would do. my wife would leave me and i’d be stuck eating spaghetios watching every game. Yeah, I don’t buy it.

by ottisfranklin on Feb 8, 2012 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

i’d be stuck eating spaghetios watching every game.

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

by Rob Rogacki on Feb 8, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Team does improve with Miggy at 3B with overall stats, Kelly at 2B

I would definitely move Raburn to LF and put Kelly to platoon with Santiago. Santiago has a better stick from the right side than the left side. Kelly has played over 120 games at 2B in the minors. Better yet let’s do a trade for a 2B for one of our outfielders except Boesch and Jackson and one of our lefties except Coke.

by Barry2 on Feb 7, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

Find a 2nd baseman worth trading for

And then suggest a trade. Until then, work with what we’ve got.

by Rob Rogacki on Feb 7, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

O Dog!

Since we’re in the over paying business…..
Orlando Hudson the perfect platoon partner for Ramon at 2B.
.246 .329 .352 .681 overall- meh
.224 .263 .328 .591 as RHB- terrible
.256 .356 .363 .719 as LHB- that’s top of the order stuff!

.271 .354 .375 .729 3 years as LHB

- 3.5 UZR/ 150 not the greatest.

The problem- $ 5.5 million with a club option for $ 8 million next year, and a $ 2 mil buyout

"King of Minutiae"

by Tigerdog1 on Feb 7, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said

I’ve contended since the beginning that solid leather in LF and especially 2B is FAAAARRRR more important than 3B (or 1B for that matter).

by rings on Feb 7, 2012 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

Very true, but one caveat

Miggy needs to guard the line. Balls that go past 3B on that side are doubles. No more “cheating” to the left to compensate for Jhonny’s weakness going to his right. There’s just going to be a bad gap there, and our pitchers won’t like it.

"King of Minutiae"

by Tigerdog1 on Feb 7, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

What do Dirks' defensive numbers look like?

I imagine he’ll get substantial playing time in left against right-handed pitching, especially if he has a good spring.

by Sparten21 on Feb 7, 2012 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

sample is too small

but he was above average in the corners, below in center. Decent range, slightly below average arm.

by Kurt Mensching on Feb 7, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

definitely good for a LF

but average OFers often look good in LF because there are plenty of aging players and weak defenders put in that position

"King of Minutiae"

by Tigerdog1 on Feb 7, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The funny part is

How much attention the MSM is giving ‘Miggy to 3B’ when the real story, as this fine analysis shows, should be getting Raburn’s glove out of 2B and Delmon out of LF.

sabrtoothtigers.blogspot.com

by Matt Snyder on Feb 7, 2012 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

This assumes that Jim Leyland will actually do this

Remember, he still had Delmon pegged as the LF when asked during the Prince Fielder press conference.

by Rob Rogacki on Feb 7, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Right

But little to no attention has been given to how atrocious this combo is by the MSM members.

sabrtoothtigers.blogspot.com

by Matt Snyder on Feb 7, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

That's the right thing to say at that juncture.

At this point, we have no idea how DH will work out. Until Leyland needs to commit to his DH plan, there’s no reason to sour a player by suggesting he DH.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Feb 7, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

in an ideal world

Tigerdog1’s post shows why Cabrera moving to third could work.

In a Jim Leyland world … well… remains to be seen.

by Kurt Mensching on Feb 7, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

great post...

When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 7, 2012 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

If we're talking about defense on "Team Inge"

then shouldn’t Ramon be at second and Dirks be in left? If we could leave Raburn in Lakeland, I’d be happy.

by Bone7958 on Feb 7, 2012 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

Totally agree

But be careful what you say about Raburn..I have been scolded on this site for telling the truth about him.

by harley5571 on Feb 7, 2012 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

You said he was a bad fielder ...

Which makes him a mediocre left fielder?

Keep Delmon in the dugout in the top halves of the innings!!!!

3 BF was one of my favorite Detroit Tigers seasons- right until the end.

by HighOPS on Feb 12, 2012 8:57 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Dombrowski comments

Matthew B Mowery is relaying some comments from DD on Twitter this morning:
Paraphrasing here….

- Miguel will be OK at third defensively

- We don’t have a full time DH, We see Delmon as our LF

- We can be pretty solid up the middle defensively at C, 2B, CF (taking that to mean Ramon at 2B)

- "There is no “i” in Tigers- that was from Rogo.

- DD was a little worried about Rick Porcello early in the season but later’ “that was the old Rick Porcello”

- Some in the org think Smyly is ready for MLB, won’t know about Turner til spring, but others don’t have the same upside.

A few interesting things to follow this spring.

"King of Minutiae"

by Tigerdog1 on Feb 7, 2012 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

It will be interesting to see if JL positions the infielders differently

with Miggy and the Prince at the corners. For instance, I could foresee not moving the infield in to “double-play” depth in normal dp situations, to decrease the likelihood of a ball getting through. I could also see playing Jhonny and Ramon playing a little deeper in obvious bunt situations, to compensate for the extra gap created when Miggy and/or the Prince are pulled in tight. I do not know how much of this kind of adjustment JL would be likely to make, considering his “old school” tendencies, but it might be worth experimenting with.

by knucklescarbone on Feb 7, 2012 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

Kurt! Keith-Allen!! Somebody!!!

If I’m reading his post correctly, I think this guy is implying that the lack of range of Cabrera and Fielder will leave larger than normal gaps. I’m pretty sure talk like that is not allowed on this site. He’s banned, right?

by Dergunna Wavimin on Feb 7, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It's true

I’ve called that 5.5 hole between Cabrera and Peralta, the Grand Canyon. If I’m the opposition, I’d try to expose those infield holes, so I wouldn’t be bunting. Most bunts are fielded by pitcher or catcher.

by Keith-Allen on Feb 7, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

one thing we haven't talked much about

The Tigers have some pretty good right-handed pitching. So adding too many right-handers to the lineup to try to get the ball between third and short might not pay off real well.

by Kurt Mensching on Feb 7, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That's true also

Against Lefty hitters, Cabrera should be able to play off the 3B line a little more.

by Keith-Allen on Feb 7, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just thinking that

How many of the nine lefties in Cleveland’s lineup can shoot one through the hole on the left side off our RHP’s? Mauer could have a field day, but if they’re stacking up with lefties, I’d be more concerned with what’s on second.

"King of Minutiae"

by Tigerdog1 on Feb 7, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

However....old Jim will have a different lineup

Leyland already said hes not going to dh delmon, hes to younh and in his contract year. That would make raburn the primary 2b going by his lineup, I love the optimism, but a team with cabs @ 3rd, delmon in left, and raburn @ second is gonna be 50-80 runsbelow average

by Wolverine119 on Feb 7, 2012 4:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Or they could DH Raburn

Someone has to DH. I find it difficult to see Delmon in LF with Dirks or Kelly as the DH. Or Laird. Or Inge.

"King of Minutiae"

by Tigerdog1 on Feb 7, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I put up a comment earlier if we are goin w this defense we should sign Matsui and send dirks to toledo…any day w dirks or kelly @ dh is just giving runs back that cabs is picking up @ 3rd

by Wolverine119 on Feb 7, 2012 4:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nice Piece Tigerdog

On paper, all that is very sound reasoning. I agree with most of it also, if baseball were a simulation run by numbers. Problem with the game of baseball is that even the best plans fail. You always need to have a plan B’s.

What if Peralta gets hurt at SS? and if Santiago gets hurt at 2B? Right now, Raburn is an important part of that answer. Has Raburn ever been to Spring Training as a 2B? I don’t think he has. It’s always been Polanco, Santiago, Infante, Rhymes, Sizemore, ect.. We never gave Raburn a chance to slowly fit in at 2B. It was trial by fire for the most part.

Do you let Delmon Young get rusty in LF? He’s already poor defensively, but do you want him to be rusty too? That’s a double dose of suck. If you want our players to be at their best defensively, then you got to use them regularly. Delmon’s best isn’t good, but it’s still his best. If you want to see his worst, then he’ll be at DH most of the time and in LF occasionally. The more repetitions he gets, the better he should be. If he works with Al Kaline this Spring, he may even improve.

I think it’s about what Young, Raburn, and Cabrera can do, not what they can’t do. Leyland usually goes with the best offensive option 1st. When that’s debatable, then he’ll go with the better defensive option. If the pitcher is inducing routine outs, like pop-ups, one hoppers, and cans of corn then those guys will do just fine defensively. It’s the line-drives, the dribblers, and moonshots over the fence that will hurt pitchers the most, not the defense.

I’m willing to give Leyland some slack here. If his plan A’s don’t work, the fall back plan is quite easy. It’s pretty much what you outlined above. Only difference is that your plan A is Leyland’s plan B, and vice versa.

by Keith-Allen on Feb 7, 2012 5:06 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Defensive WAR

Cabrera at 1B

2008 Minus 0.3
2009 Minus 0.2
2010 Minus 0.2
2011 Minus 0.7

Cabrera at 3B
2007 Minus 1.1

Fielder at IB
2006 Minus 1.4
2007 Minus 1.1
2008 Minus 0.3
2009 MInus 0.3
2010 Minus 0.8
2011 Minus 0.7

Based just the dWAR it looks like a push at best for the Tigers at 1B by replacing Cabrera with Fielder

Inge 3B
2009 0.1
2010 1.1
2011 0.2

Of course replacing Inge at 3B with Cabrera picks up a ton of oWAR.

by Buddahfan on Feb 7, 2012 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

nice job TDog

I’d like to Dirks start fast and slide into the leadoff spot while waiting for Raburn to start hitting and keep Delman at DH as much as possible

by Robeartoe on Feb 7, 2012 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

I just wonder...

how much Leyland will actually juggle the lineup? Rotating players through the DH role is just a bad idea. Tom Gage speculates that they could see 10 different DH’s this year. I’d think anything over 5 is simply ridiculous, and even that is too many.

I love the comparison of Team Might and Team Inge. I love the comment on how most Tigers starters are RH so a team stacking RHB is not exactly a good idea-another thought on that is the poor defense of Fielder, who is even worse than Miggy at first. Santiago may be NEEDED…not just because Raburn is better in LF.

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by joshuaworn on Feb 7, 2012 8:52 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Of course Leyland will juggle the lineup

He always has, and now he has the DH spot to play with. This is not a bad thing, as someone with a nagging injury can still bat. Also I don’t think it should be written in stone that both Delmon and Raburn have to play every day. The defensive lineup only has to be horrible some of the time. It should work itself out.

by manic in Detroit on Feb 7, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Hard to really gauge what the lineup will do in games that count.

However, I am not too concerned with the concept of Cabrera and Fielder at the corners, if Santiago is at 2nd. With Raburn, the infield, other than Peralta, is potentially a sieve. I hope JL gets it that you can get away with 2 sub-average infielders. With 3, and another who is capable but without a lot of range, you are looking at enough of a problem to cost you more than a game or two.
Solution is clearly to not play Raburn with Miggy and the Prince at the corners. (Better yet, do not force Raburn into the 2b slot, where he does not belong, EVER.) Best lineup clearly has Raburn(or Dirks) in left, with Delmon as DH, most games.

by knucklescarbone on Feb 7, 2012 9:55 PM EST reply actions  

Although Cabrera actually does appear to be in...

“The Best Shape Of His Life”™, and it’s not just some reporter throwing crap out there, judging by those pictures of him and Hanley.

by thepartybird on Feb 7, 2012 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

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