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Brandon Inge or Danny Worth: Which makes more sense as a backup?

Who would you rather have: Danny Worth or Brandon Inge?

As with any topic that involves Inge, I suspect a lot of people snapped right to a judgment on that question.

"ANYONE BUT INGE!!!"

But is it really that simple?

Lynn Henning asked and answered the Worth or Inge dilemma at the Detroit News. While money may play a part of it - Inge is owed $5.5 million and will likely be given every opportunity to earn it during spring training - a key factor is versatility. Worth has it; Inge does not.

Henning writes:

For all his flexibility, Inge offers value only as a third baseman. And that value isn't what it once was due to his age and relative decline in defensive skills. In short, he isn't the One Man Infield Left Side he was five years ago.

Here, Worth has a significant edge. He can play third base almost as well as he plays shortstop and second base, which is very well indeed.

Inge, the king of making outs, does have an ace up his sleeve with his past history of power. He showed that in force during the first half of 2009. It has been missing since. Worth will never be confused with a hitter, let alone a guy who can hit 15 or 20 home runs. So it seems fair to give Inge anywhere from a slight edge here to a bit bigger advantage.

However, as Henning pointed out, Inge is not the same player he used to be. You don't need me to make a fancy graph to show you the direction Inge's defense has gone: down. The slick-fielding, should-have-won-a-Gold-Glove fielder from six seasons ago just hasn't returned to being the player he was before the knee problems of late 2009. So Inge's best selling point - his defense - is quickly moving toward "average."

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Brandon Inge's UZR/150 and DRS (defensive runs saved)

Year

UZR/150

DRS

2006

15.2

21

2007

10.0

17

2008

6.2

1

2009

6.9

10

2010

3.5

1

2011

3.3

-1

Source: Fangraphs

Worth's versatility replacing Inge's could be a good thing for the Tigers. At least, in an ideal world. Ideally, Ramon Santiago and Worth would hold down second base, while Ryan Raburn would sell all his infield gloves for charity and bide most of his time in left field. Meanwhile, Delmon Young would come as close as the Tigers get to a regular DH, because nobody, I mean nobody, wants to see him playing defense on a regular basis. Worth could also be used to spell Jhonny Peralta or Miguel Cabrera at third.

(And hey, while we're at it, if Cabrera plays acceptable at third base maybe we could find a way to replace Don Kelly with Andy Dirks. I haven't thought everything through yet or drawn up a depth chart to see just how far we can take things.)

I really hope the Tigers leave this question open to be answered in spring training. Some of it will be up to Cabrera. Some might be up to Worth. But Inge's own play this spring is going to go a long way to figuring out the answer to the Worth-or-Inge question.

How do you think it will turn out?

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Contract shouldn't have anything to do with it.

That money is gone either way. Just pick the best player.

The player that makes it could give an indication of how serious the organization is about Miguel sticking at third. If Inge makes the team it COULD be a sign that they’re looking for a ‘steady’ option in case it doesn’t work out.

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by Matt Snyder on Feb 8, 2012 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

Well, technically...

Worth would cost roughly 500K more since he’d make league minimum. Of course, professional sports are the one area where 500K doesn’t seem like it matters.

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by momotigers on Feb 8, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

we all know about sunk costs

but if you’ve got one guy earning 5.5 million whether or not he plays, you’re sure as heck going to give him every chance to actually contribute rather than saying “sunk costs, it doesn’t matter.”

by Kurt Mensching on Feb 8, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You're going to give him every chance..

but when it comes time to make a decision the contract shouldn’t be a factor. Any contract consideration is only about public perception, not wins and losses. I’d rather my managers be rational and maximize wins rather be concerned with perception or a foolish hang-up over sunk costs.

by BayesLaw on Feb 8, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Brewers fan here (closet Tigers fan)

Sounds like the same thing that happened to the Crew in 2010 with Jeff Suppan. As a pitcher making 10mill a season, management couldn’t envision removing the guy from the rotation, or later from the pen, regardless of his less-than-Penny-esque numbers. Big contracts have a way of earning players playing time they don’t deserve.

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by brewersfanatic on Feb 10, 2012 12:12 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

There's a difference between being given a chance and actually contributing

If the Tigers keep giving Inge chances, and in the end they’d have been better off having someone else out there — assuming you’re going to pay Inge and Worth anyway, which they are — then there’s a certain amount of wisdom in cutting one’s losses. The Tigers did that about 10 years ago with Damion Easley, because he was just stinkin’ up the joint too badly.

by frisbeepilot on Feb 8, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It shouldnt but it has

Leyland seems to through second chance after second chance to Inge. It feels like it’s cause of the contract.

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by The.Lions on Feb 8, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know, but...

Don’t you only get one second chance by definition?

by thepartybird on Feb 8, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Inge will be on the team

The Cabrera experiment is still that – an experiment. Until we are sure that having Cabrera at 3B is the best thing for this team, I think Inge is a nice insurance policy.

The guy does a lot of good in the community and the average fan (not us) likes Brandon Inge. It’s the last year on his contract and I doubt that he will garner much interest from other teams if he continues to hit under .220 with little power and diminishing range. We’re talking about the 25 man, in a sense, and I think the Tigers will play the popular PR move as well.

Plus, they don’t seem to like Danny Worth too much.

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by momotigers on Feb 8, 2012 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

If they keep Inge on the team

They need to find 162 sick kids who want him to hit home runs.

by Rob Rogacki on Feb 8, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Can I vote for none of the above?

I know- how about getting a legitimate second baseman that is capable of moving over to 3B if the Cabrera move to third was a total disaster? Just a thought.

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by Tigerdog1 on Feb 8, 2012 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

I think it will be considered

but they’re not pressed to make a move right now. DD is nothing if he’s not thorough, and he knows exactly what is available and how much other clubs want.

DD figures that, while a move right now could improve the team, the asking prices for good players are too high at the moment and will come down in July. There are a few things that they want to monitor and see how they’re working out, so we go forward with some flaws, but still a pretty good team in place. I’d give it a greater urgency than that, but it seems pretty clear that’s the plan right now.

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by Tigerdog1 on Feb 8, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Polanco?

For nastolgia’s sake…

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by DetroitTigersGeek on Feb 8, 2012 6:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I wonder if Raburn could play 3rd...

Theoretically, he should be better than as a 2nd baseman at least. Do the increased arm strength and reaction time demands of 3rd outweigh the decreased demands on range in his case?

by thepartybird on Feb 8, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends.

How many third basemen do we need?

by knucklescarbone on Feb 8, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

As bad as Raburn is at second base, he's twice as bad at third.

He just doesn’t react quickly enough to make the plays. He gets eaten up. Statistically, his best position has been center field, but he hasn’t played it a whole lot.

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by Tigerdog1 on Feb 9, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok. I wasn't sure about that and was too lazy to look at the UZRs.

I figured he had below average reaction time, but it was offset by his below average quickness and double play turning too. >_> Guy’s just not cut out to be an infielder.

by thepartybird on Feb 9, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking up the UZR's shouldn't help

In my opinion, defensive metrics aren’t terribly reliable and I don’t believe Raburn has a big enough sample in any area (aside from perhaps LF) to make any legit conclusions based on stats. Despite what some might say and whatever defensive stats might get tossed around, I firmly believe the eyeball test is the best way to judge Raburn’s defense at any particular position.

FWIW, My eyeballs tell me he stinks at 2B, but could be better at 3B than he is a 2B.

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by momotigers on Feb 10, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Give me Worth

I like Inge as a human being, but he’s a shell of his former self.

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by David Tokarz on Feb 8, 2012 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t even like him as a human

by m3smth on Feb 8, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I get that he's kind of whiny when he's moved from 3B

But, you know, volunteer work?

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by David Tokarz on Feb 9, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

What is Inge Worth?

Good article, Kurt. I would like to see some creative thinking from the team on this point too… it all starts with Cabrera (can he field?) and Inge (is he going to hit at all?). Inge is no longer the super sub he was even in 2008 (remember CF on opening day?!) And there is no sign he is going to get any power back. Worth makes more sense since he can play any IF position. Raburn should BURN his infield gloves; giving them to charity might damage some future kids fielding ability…
So, assuming Cabrera can hold down 3rd and Raburn LF; put Inge (and maybe even Kelly) out of the picture and keep Dirks.

Disclaimer: I think Brandon Inge is a fine person and have nothing against him. I just want to see the Tigs win.

by texastigerfan on Feb 8, 2012 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

hey, I said sell them for charity

I don’t want some poor kid to get a glove with a hole in the middle of it either ;)

by Kurt Mensching on Feb 8, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Inge still has value.

He still sells jerseys to girls. I’d start the season with Inge on the roster and, if Cabrera works out at third, there is plenty of time for Inge to come down with another case of mono or anxiety disorder.

I’ve always liked Inge for his decisions to live here and do charity work. I even liked his defense for a few years. I’d hate for his career to end on a sour note but the team needs to put the best personnel on the roster.

by grath on Feb 8, 2012 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

Remember Maroth?

Mike Maroth was an okay player for the Tigers awhile ago. His career didn’t pan out and he tried to come back a few times. Now he is a coach in the minor league system. As much as I am opposed to seeing Inge bat like he did last year, I’d hate to see him leave Detroit on a rail. If at all possible, I’d like him to stay.

On Saturday before the Suberbowl, the Patriots dumped a backup in favor of another backup. Pretty cold-hearted. I don’t want Inge to cost us the pennant, but I also think he deserves the respect of riding out his contract.

by ottisfranklin on Feb 8, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The Patriots cut a backup for a backup who was more likely to see gametime

by m3smth on Feb 8, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Worth might make the team, even if they hang on to Inge

With AJax, Boesch, Delmon, Kelly and Raburn already on the roster, Dirks would have very little role left to play. Inge is only good at third, and Raburn/ Santiago are the only back infielders (whomever isn’t starting).

JL has almost always carried a second backup middle infielder on his roster. In the World Series, he carried three of them- Neifi, Santiago, and Infante.

I’d rather have Dirks for his bat, but he has a limited role with the current cast, IMO, so they may give the job to Worth and hang onto Inge for insurance, although they’d never admit that’s why he is there.

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by Tigerdog1 on Feb 8, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

Kelly over Dirks?

I don’t see why that would be advantageous if they were also keeping Inge.

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by Matt Snyder on Feb 8, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Leyland doesn't believe Santiago is capable of being an everyday player...

He has said it on multiple occasions. Also, he has shown that he doesn’t mind sticking Raburn at second, for whatever reason. Further, he has had the opportunity to bring up Worth multiple times to use him as infield utility player and has not-I don’t see this being any different. In the meantime, Dirks is the type of all-american, plays the game the right way and does everything right, kind of player that he likes to give playing time to. And, I would imagine that both Delmon and Boesch will see a lot of combined time at DH. With that in mind, Dirks-especially if he has a good spring-will have a bigger role on this team than many think. Obviously, it will come almost exclusively against RHP. But, because Leyland does not believe Ramon is an everyday second baseman, Raburn will be playing a lot of 2b. In which case, with presumably Delmon or Boesch DHing, Dirks will be playing if a righty is on the mound quite a bit.

Is this necessarily what I want? No. I think Worth deserves a spot on this team because of his glove-I have thought so for awhile. But, i think Leyland is generally pretty predictable and stubborn when it comes to playing certain players in certain spots, like or not, and, as a result, I think Worth will miss out and Dirks/Kelly will have a bigger role than a lot of us might like, as Raburn will play a lot at 2b. Hopefully, he surprises me and Worth takes Inge’s spot. But, I’ll be quite shocked if Dirks, without a very bad spring, is swapped with Worth.

by Sparten21 on Feb 8, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're right in a lot of ways

I don’t think Boesch will DH too often, especially with so many worse gloves on the team. I do agree that Worth has been passed over many times before with essentially the same blockers in front of him (and actually, with Cabrera moving to 3B, that’s one more blocker).

Raburn is the wild card in predicting playing time and positions. If Raburn is hitting, his bat will always be in the lineup – at either 2B, LF, or DH. We see a little less Santiago, a little less Dirks, and a little less Kelly. If Raburn isn’t hitting, it makes Santiago nearly a full time player…ditto for Dirks.

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by momotigers on Feb 8, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Count Avila as one of the DH group.

Laird could see a lot of starts against LHP’s. They need to not have Avila so beat up by September and October this year. It was almost painful to watch him hobbling around and taking knock after knock behind the plate all season long.

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by Tigerdog1 on Feb 8, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

This is Dombrowski's call, not Leylands.

The way I understand it, Dombrowski is the one who decides who makes the 25 man roster, and once the roster is set then Leyland decides who plays where, and how often. I think these two are comfortable working together, and they consult with each other about personel, but as far as the 25 man roster goes, it’s ultimately DD’s call. I think Dave has a little less loyalty to individual players than Jim. I also know that Leyland plays his bench, and it has seemed to work pretty well. This means Peralta WILL get days off, and if Santiago is playing a lot of 2nd base then
Worth could become Jhonny’s primary backup at short & Santiago’s backup @ 2nd. Since Inge still hits ok against lefties i can see him starting @ 3rd in games against a left handed starter & moving Miguel to DH or 1B on those days. If Dirks & Raburn both make the team as outfield depth, my question would be can’t we keep Inge & Worth and say goodbye to Mr. Nice Guy (Don Kelly)? At least it would make Rogo happy.

by MotorCityCat on Feb 8, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I would argue that Jim has quite a bit of influence over this type of decision

For example, I would hope (hope!) that DD knows Don Kelly is probably not a player fit for an MLB roster, especially a contending one. But Jim likes him, and I think DD has a lot of respect for that, and he’s not going to go Brad Pitt on his Phillip Seymour Hoffman (sorry). Having said that, whether its DD’s or Leyland’s decision, Worth has been a candidate to come up to the team multiple times and, if it is exclusively DD’s decision, then its DD that has been, and probably will continue to be, unwilling to bring him up in favor of another player. Further, even when Worth has been in Detroit, Jim really hasn’t played him all that much—demonstrating that Jim prefers his other bench players that are currently on the roster as well. So, while I’d argue that Jim has a lot of say in this, I think Worth gets the short-end no matter whose making the decision; however, I hope he doesn’t. And, obviously its ultimately DD’s decision, but if Leyland wants one player over another, after spending an entire spring managing and watching these players, I would guess that DD will agree the vast majority of the time.

by Sparten21 on Feb 8, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Leyland picks the 25 guys

unless DD vetoes him. If they don’t want to call Turner up, or another prospect because they think he’s not ready, DD might step in but JL ususally gets whatever he wants from the guys that DD gives him to choose from

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by Tigerdog1 on Feb 8, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

My impression is that

it is a group decision involving at least DD, JL, and Al Avila. DD is ultimately the boss, and I suppose if he felt strongly enough about a decision his view would prevail. But as far as that goes, if Mr. I had a favorite granddaughter that thinks Brandon is hot and should make the team, his view would trump that of DD.

by knucklescarbone on Feb 8, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Leyland doesn't think Santiago is everyday?

I as you all know am not a Raburn fan at any position at all. Santiago is a better all around player. They need too play him everyday at 2nd until after the trade deadline and see what he does. If he doesn’t hold up to that everyday grind and the team is in contention then make a deal for a 2nd baseman. The only reason Inge might make the team is because of the Cabrera experiment at 3rd. I am one of the fans who thinks Cabrera will do fine there. Lets face facts Inge wasn’t exactly Brooks Robinson like at 3rd. The key position to me is LF. Oh well we can still hold out hope for Cespedis.

by LarryLive on Feb 9, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Inge or Worth

As far as I know they’ve never tried Inge as a shortstop. He played there in college. I feel he would be okay there for a few games as well as 3rd or left. Lets not forget that he was very good in left field in the past. But I think it all boils down to what Inge might or could deliver with the bat. I don’t really know what that might be but maybe spring training will give us some insight. As far as Cabrera failing at third I won’t worry about it and Inge and other current tigers shouldn’t be the answer to that possibility. Any solution to the possibility of Cabrera failing at third should be answered with the kid in the minors. Maybe this year he could be ready and if not next. For now I’m counting on Cabrera being a success and the Cuban or Dirks being the left fielder. The subs will be determined in Spring training with expected good results all up and down the lineup. Smiley for #5 and on to the championship run!

by cbobg on Feb 8, 2012 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

It'd be my guess

Inge makes the team out of ST, as DD and JL see how Miguel takes to 3B.

If Miguel doesn’t make a mockery of it, Worth will be on the 25 and Inge released soon enough.

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by Singledigit on Feb 8, 2012 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

I would bet(albeit a small amount)

that Worth gets more innings in the field than Inge this year.

More PAs as well.

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by Singledigit on Feb 8, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I would definitely take that bet

I think Inge will more than double up Worth in PAs.

by Rob Rogacki on Feb 8, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Gentlemans wager it is, then

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by Singledigit on Feb 8, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I cast my vote for Worth a week or two ago,

and of course we won’t know until April who will make the roster, but my guess is that it is going to be very difficult to leave Inge off the roster if he does not agree to a trade. If I have counted correctly, that leaves two roster spots for a combination of Kelly, Dirks and/or Worth.
I frankly think that, between the two of them, Worth and Dirks together provide more than enough versatility off the bench (especially with Laird backing up at catcher), but I would be shocked if Leyland left Kelly off the roster—he loves the guy at least as much as he loves Raburn, and you have to hand it to him, any player who can sub in at any spot, including catcher and pitcher as he did last year, is a pretty unique asset. As long as the roster includes Kelly, Inge and (ugh!) Raburn as potential backup or platooning infielders, Dirks is probably the choice, leaving Worth out of the mix. Not my preference, but that is how it looks to me. I would rather see all three make the roster.

by knucklescarbone on Feb 8, 2012 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

And to explain,

Dirks would be presumably the choice over Worth because he is clearly better at the plate and would be the only backup, other than Kelly, who could legitimately play all three outfield positions (and I would say he is probably preferable to Kelly as a backup to AJ in center).

by knucklescarbone on Feb 8, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course, according to JL,

Clete Thomas is also a candidate to make the roster. That would clearly have to be in lieu of Dirks.

by knucklescarbone on Feb 8, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Why spoil this historic infield . . .

. . . by adding someone who can field? It would be a desecration, like splashing black paint on the Mona Lisa.

by rea on Feb 8, 2012 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

More like putting a flower on top of a pile of dog$&*!

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by momotigers on Feb 8, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Worth

based off the fact that he’s more versatile (can be plugged into any IF position – probably could play LF as well) and you could argue that he’s a more consistent hitter (granted, based off a much smaller sample size). He also brings a little bit more to the table in terms of base running ability.

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by BrianCMU. on Feb 8, 2012 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

It's not really a decision

Inge is plan A. Worth is plan B. It can’t be the other way around either.

by Keith-Allen on Feb 8, 2012 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

And that's just the way it is

Short and sweet, Keith. But true.

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by momotigers on Feb 8, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Release Inge

…if for no other reason to end Tiger fan subjugation to endless columns, headlines & handwringing for an overpaid backup.

by rings on Feb 8, 2012 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

Overpaid Backup

What kind of team player is Inge going to be riding the bench behind Miguel.

by Tim 34 on Feb 8, 2012 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

Most importantly - Kurt, what is YOUR plan for next year

Inge’s contract will be up. Raburn’s contract will be up.

Kurt will no longer be able to generate a headline that includes Inge and/or Raburn and automatically generate 100 comments+.

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by momotigers on Feb 8, 2012 8:54 PM EST reply actions  

you know fans as well as I do -- that's fans of every team

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by Kurt Mensching on Feb 8, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it Schlereth?

I vote Schlereth

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by rock n rye on Feb 8, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Good choice, but

unless he a) makes this year’s roster (not at all a certainty, given who is nipping at his heels) and b) significantly improves on his past performance, Daniel will not be around post-Inge.

by knucklescarbone on Feb 8, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Screw that guy

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by David Tokarz on Feb 9, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Schlereth

I hope somebody throws him in a pit of wolves. Or Rogo.

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by David Tokarz on Feb 9, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

If it makes you feel better,

I would say there is a very good chance Schlereth does not make the opening day roster. There are a lot of very talented prospects knocking on the door. Wilk probably has as good a chance as Daniel at making the roster.

by knucklescarbone on Feb 9, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Inge

From all reports, Inge is a great guy off the field. I tip my cap to him for that.

But I don’t think he’s a great guy in the clubhouse. Inge believes he’s a superstar and has cried about his role more than once. Hey, Brandon: You’re a flawed player who is paid millions. Just do whatever you’re told, son. Remember that trip to the minors last season?

In my 37 years as a Detroit fan, I’ve never disliked a Tiger more for his on-field performance than Inge. He’s been coddled by the media and fans (and often by management), and it’s ridiculous.

This team had great chemistry in 2011, and a sulking Inge can’t be allowed to ruin it. At spring training, Leyland should tell Inge to hush up and do what he’s told. If Inge doesn’t like it, he’s gone. The first time Inge whines, he should be gone. The Fielder signing shows that the Tigers want to win it all now. No time for a me-first crybaby like Inge.

If I was running the team, Inge would already be gone. Some fans act as if Inge was a three-time MVP instead of an overrated defensive player and a selfish hitter who demonstrated little understanding of situational hitting over the years. He would say stuff about how strikeouts don’t really matter because an out is an out. No so, Inge, as any real baseball fan knows.

by Kaline on Feb 8, 2012 11:20 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Inge can hit left handed pitchers

He’d be OK in a platoon/bench/DH role vs LHP. I have no problem with him playing 50 – 60 games this year. Against right handed pitchers though he’s worth less than Danny Worth, that would make him worthless.

by Keith-Allen on Feb 8, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, kudos on not pulling your punches,

but your assessment is perhaps a bit harsh. After all, Inge was on the roster most of last year, accepted a DFA he did not have to accept, and did not seem to be a distraction in the dugout. I do not know you are mistaken about his attitude, but you might be. And by the way, you can hardly blame a guy for wanting to make the most of what is necessarily a very short career playing baseball for most players.
My beef is just that he is probably taking up a roster spot that would be better used by a guy like Worth. Not a knock on Brandon, just on the unfortunate dilemma the Tigers find themselves in.

by knucklescarbone on Feb 8, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Brandon Inge actually has "hushed up"

To be honest, the silence is deafening. People are calling Inge a baby because of one brief quote from Leyland about Inge not being the happiest camper. To my knowledge (and I read way too much Tigers news) Inge hasn’t publicly said anything since the acquisition of fielder. He hasn’t been quoted as saying he’s upset. He hasn’t tweeted a bunch of smack. He’s literally just hushed up.

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by momotigers on Feb 9, 2012 7:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Inge is a blank canvas

on which people paint whatever picture they choose.

by Kurt Mensching on Feb 9, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Profound

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by momotigers on Feb 9, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Well,

I’ll go along with the ‘blank’ part.

by TigerTom on Feb 9, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Inge

You know why he accepted his trip to the minors? Because he knew he’d never have a shot at the majors again if he didn’t. For a millionaire who never has to work again, that’s no heroic act. I wonder how many big-league teams have interest in Inge? Zero, aside from the Tigers. It seems management feels pressured to keep this selfish player. The day he’s cut, there will be some whining. But is any true Tigers fan going to quit on the team because Inge is gone? No. The sooner he is gone, the better. Let the winning continue without me-first Inge. Let’s see what Worth and other young players (who don’t have a sense of entitlement) can do.

by Kaline on Feb 8, 2012 11:49 PM EST reply actions  

Here is a thought--

I believe I am safe in assuming Inge would like to prolong his career at least a couple of years. If the Tigers could swing a trade to another team, maybe in-division so he would not have to uproot his family, even if it were for minimal consideration, would he accept the trade as a chance to play beyond this year?
Wouldn’t this likely be a win-win?

by knucklescarbone on Feb 8, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Brandon's best chance at productivity might be the current situation

He’s not going to put up big counting numbers, but if he’s in Detroit playing against LHP only, he might bat .250 and show decent OBP/SLG numbers. With a reputation for good defense (even if it might be declining) and a line of .250/.350/.430, he should be able to get another contract next year.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Feb 9, 2012 7:53 AM EST up reply actions  

And no,

I doubt any fan that is paying attention will shed more than a single, sentimental tear if Brandon is released.

by knucklescarbone on Feb 8, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Inge

I don’t think any team would trade a bucket of baseballs for him.
Inge really riled me during the Fielder signing, when the Tigers said Miguel was moving to third. Inge complained, enough so that Leyland and Dombrowski both had to address it to the national media during the Fielder hoopla. Are you kidding me, Inge? He acted like he was Greenberg or Kaline or Gibson or Maggs. This team is trying to get better, and it was clear in the ALCS that our Tigers didn’t have the bats to keep pace with the Rangers. Detroit signs a slugger, and Inge cries about his role? How selfish can one be? The fact that spoiled Inge became a sidebar during Ilitch’s gutsy signing of Prince was ridiculous.

by Kaline on Feb 9, 2012 12:28 AM EST reply actions  

Well, maybe he has no trade value.

I do not know that for a fact, although I doubt he has much. Honestly, even if some team would take him on for a part of his salary and perhaps a low draft choice, the Tigers would come out ahead. I just think it will be very tough for a number of reasons to cut him outright, and I am wishing he might be amenable to a trade, if DD can patch one together.

by knucklescarbone on Feb 9, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I haven't heard any instance of Inge talking to the media about Fielder

It sounds like he voiced his concerns privately to his boss. Which is totally what you’re supposed to do in any work environment.

by lesmanalim on Feb 9, 2012 1:58 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

^This, 1000 times

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Feb 9, 2012 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

^This, 1001 times.

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by 77bestrookieclassever on Feb 9, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn...I knew I should have went 1001.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Feb 9, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Does Kaline Sound Like The Whiner?

Uh… I have loved Inge for 10 years. In ‘08, he was upset about Cabrera, but zealous, hateful people like Kaline up there blew the situation out of proportion. Just like he’s trying to do now. Inge isn’t whining about a thing. All I see is Kaline whining. And whining. And whining.

by ottisfranklin on Feb 9, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Tigers should eat the Inge contract

Whether he makes the team or not Inge will have a future role in Detroit. Despite how many of us do not want to see him at the plate anymore we still want the guy to have a role in the Tigers organization. I would cut him and when no other team picks him up start priming him to take over on the radio when Jim Price FINALLY retires.

My problem with keeping Inge on the team is his presence on the bench just about gurrantees a late inning substitution for Cabrera in any relatively close game, and I don’t think that will go over so well. Cabrera IS the third baseman and I hope he plays 162 games there. Having Inge around is simply too big of a temptation for Crusty.

Remove the temptation, cut Brandon Inge.

Maybe even have a Brandon Inge / Magglio Ordonez / Carlos Guillen day when all are out of baseball by July.

by Jim Bunn on Feb 9, 2012 8:34 AM EST reply actions  

Leyland is on record saying he won't defense Cabrera

I can see Inge playing 3B while Cabrera DH’s vs. LHP, but I don’t see any normal situation where Inge replaces Cabrera in the field. Even in a 1-run game, bottom of the 9th…you don’t pull the best hitter in baseball from the game because if you surrender one run, you’ll probably miss a valuable AB or two from Cabrera.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Feb 9, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you don’t pull the best hitter in baseball from the game because if you surrender one run …

While this is a statement I agree 100% with, a lot of baseball managers don’t seem to take it to heart.

Also, Leyland has been on record with a lot of things that don’t turn out like he said, I’ve taken to treating him with a grain of salt.

by Kurt Mensching on Feb 9, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Leyland

It wouldn’t benefit the Tigers at all for Leyland to say that he does plan on defensing Cabrera even if he did plan on it. The Tigers want Miggy to believe that they believe in him. They don’t want to say anything that gives him any doubt. The MSM is taking care of that. Point is, that even if the Tigers did plan on sporadically pulling Cabrera in the 9th, there is no way they would be saying it in February.

So yes, add a grain of salt to that statement.

by ottisfranklin on Feb 9, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't you switch him to DH and put Inge in at 3B?

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by David Tokarz on Feb 9, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

as far as I know from the rules

that would be illegal because the DH is a set spot in the lineup and Cabrera would already be elsewhere in the lineup.

by Kurt Mensching on Feb 10, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure you're right

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Feb 10, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

You can move the DH to a position

but that ends the DH for the game.
Example: Victor is DH. Avila is C. Avila stubs his toe and leaves game. Victor can Catch, and the pitcher bats in Avila’s spot.

by manic in Detroit on Feb 10, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Maggs

I know I would be in the minority here but I would like the Tigers to bring back Maggs on a 1 year deal. I would much rather see him in LF than any of the names mentioned. Bat him in the 8 hole and play him in LF. I don’t see him embarrassing himself there as he is better than Young, Raburn, or even Dirks. Maggs may have lost his power numbers but he still is very capable of slapping singles and doubles at the bottome of the line up.

by LarryLive on Feb 10, 2012 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

I'm wondering if Maggs will get signed

My guess is that he might end up taking a minor league contract since he won’t be baseball ready until after the season begins. Not many teams are willing to use a 40-man spot on a guy with that many questions. He might not sign anywhere until mid-season when teams determine their needs and he is ready to contribute. He could be worth a flyer if we can wait a bit before signing and re-evaluate our roster in, perhaps, mid-May.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by momotigers on Feb 10, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure he'd come back

toward the end of last year he was talking about how he thought about retiring because he couldn’t get his ankle right, and then he re-broke it in the playoffs. My guess is he’s decided to hang ’em up unless there have been reports to the contrary.

As for Inge, I’ve always liked the guy. You want a guy who wants to start. Just because he’s disappointed at losing his starting job doesn’t make him a bad player or a distraction in the clubhouse. I guarantee you he’s not the only guy to complain when he’s lost a starting gig or been sent down. It’s only an issue because he’s a fan favorite so the media seeks him out for a comment every time he gets demoted. That doesn’t happen to Santiago or any of the other part-time starters – or the other guys who are optioned to the minors.

When he’s asked the question he gives an honest answer, which I find refreshing compared to all the cliches you hear from a lot of guys. I would be surprised if anyone else in the clubhouse is bothered by it, because they probably all can relate and know they’d feel the same way if they were in his shoes. He could, I’ll admit, be a little more accepting of the fact that his best years are behind him. He’s not the player he once was in the field, or at the plate, and he was never a great hitter.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 10, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

there are reports to the contrary

As early as a few months ago news filtered out that he decided not to retire. He’s working out in Miami with Cabrera and a number of other MLB players. And recently, reports say he’s spoken with the A’s.

by Kurt Mensching on Feb 11, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

re the inge stuff

what’s ticking me off now is that Inge wasn’t even asked a question. Leyland just said “he’s not the cappiest camper” and some people have run wild when the fact is, we do not know one iota of what was said.

by Kurt Mensching on Feb 11, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

A roster spot for a player to play only third every fourth day would be hard to defend.

Can Inge still play the outfield? Serve as an emergency catcher?
If both the above are yes I might take Inge over Worth.

3 BF was one of my favorite Detroit Tigers seasons- right until the end.

by HighOPS on Feb 12, 2012 8:51 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

oh sure now I am going to have nightmares!

Avila gets hurt and we’re stuck with Laird and Inge as the starting catchers.

by ScioTiger on Feb 21, 2012 2:39 AM EST reply actions  

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