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Chalk Up Jacque Jones to Detroit

I'm glad I published my post about left field candidates when I did, because it was about a half hour away from becoming officially irrelevant.  Confirming the rumors that were leaking out late this morning (and ticking a clock over my head), the Detroit Tigers have indeed acquired outfielder Jacque Jones from the Chicago Cubs for infielder Omar Infante.

The question is whether Jones will be expected to be the Tigers' full-time left fielder or if he'll be the left-hand side of a platoon with Marcus Thames.  He seems ideally suited for that, but $5.5 million is a pretty hefty price tag for a platoon player.  But the Cubs will reportedly pay part of that salary, which should indicate how much they wanted to make this deal.  Also giving the Tigers more value for their dollar (presumably) is Jones' ability to play all three outfield spots, so he can spell Curtis Granderson in center or Magglio Ordonez in right.

Last season with the Cubs, Jones hit .285/.335/.400 with five home runs and 66 RBI in 453 at-bats.  Defensively, his zone rating in left field was .667, but that was just for two games.  In right field, his RZR was .938, and .925 in center, where he played the majority of his innings.  His best year was 2002, during which he hit .300/.341/.511 with 27 homers and 85 RBI with the Minnesota Twins.

As I said to Mike McClary over IM when the deal was close to done, I might be delusional, but I always thought Omar Infante was a good player who never seemed to get a decent shot in Detroit.  Obviously, the Tigers' braintrust knows more than I do, but at times, Infante looked as if he could be a starting-caliber player for the team.  And if not that, then certainly an extremely valuable utility player.

But Jim Leyland never seemed to think much of his defense (otherwise, why were Neifi Perez and Ramon Santiago on the team?), and though Infante showed some occasional pop with the bat (16 home runs in 2004), he could never put together a consistent string of success at the plate.  I don't know if the Cubs are the right team for him, but Infante might benefit from the proverbial change of scenery.  (And I'll have to scrap another set of t-shirts at the BYB Gear store.)

So how are you feeling about this one?  Was getting a serviceable left fielder for a player who may not have even been on next season's roster a good move?  Or does Jones's salary and production concern you?  And what about Dave Dombrowski making two major off-season moves before baseball's winter meetings?  Might he have jumped a bit too soon or is it better perhaps to go into those meetings totally focused on getting some bullpen help?

For what it's worth, the Cubs fans don't seem to like this deal.  Check out what they're saying at Bleed Cubbie Blue.

[updated at 3:00 p.m.]

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... "Also giving the Tigers more value for their dollar (presumably) is Jones' ability to play all three outfield spots, so he can spell Curtis Granderson in center or Magglio Ordonez in right."

Well, as a Cubs fan I can tell you that the Cubs did play Jones in all three OF positions. Whether or not he actually has "ability" to play them is another story.

As Tigers fans, you'll enjoy Jones' enthusiasm and hard work. You'll hate the throws he airmails 50 feet over the catcher's head, or throws into the ground ten feet in front of him, and his inability to hit LHP, and his constant flailing at pitches he has no business swinging at, and his apparent loss of power (only 5 HR in 2007).

Good luck with him. He's a good guy, just not a real good baseball player.

And I suspect the Cubs may non-tender Infante, so if you guys want him back, you might be able to have him.

by Al on Nov 12, 2007 3:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm fine with the trade
As with any trade, only time will tell. But my knee-jerk reaction was in finding a 1 season placeholder for Maybin, Jacque Jones is a decent solution.

Infante was expendable, with no future in Detroit, so it's a low risk trade. Jones is essentially playing for his next contract with another team, and should fill the need for a left hand hitting corner outfielder.

My only fear is that his 5 home run 2007 was not an aberration, but the start of a Craig Monroe-like decline. Or Leyland will give him 500 AB's anyway...

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by Big Al on Nov 12, 2007 4:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

cash
Yahoo is reporting that the extra cash part of the deal is headed from Detroit to Chicago not the other way around...

by EricV on Nov 12, 2007 5:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jonesy
Oh and Todd Jones is back. $7 million wow.

by EricV on Nov 12, 2007 5:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great Deal
The lefty half of the platoon gets 75% of the plate appearances, so that's not a big concern.  Do you guys have a bunch of righty bats off the bench to cover for Jones and Granderson next season?

Jones played a very good outfield last year according to most metrics.  Dave Pinto's PMR puts him as the fifth-best CENTER-fielder, even.  That doesn't include arm, however.

A mere five homeruns is a concern, but his OBP was still average, and his SLG in 2005 and 2006 was above average.  A corner outfielder with an average bat and above-average glove for $5 million and Omar Infante?  That's a win for the Tigers.  Geoff Jenkins would have cost a lot more.

by Sky Kalkman on Nov 12, 2007 5:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

An above-average glove?
You haven't watched Jones play much, have you?

Just wait till his first airmailed throw, or the first time he misjudges a fly ball... you'll be screaming.

Trust me on this one.

by Al on Nov 12, 2007 7:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes
No offense, but I think I'd rather trust the numbers than you personally, BCB.  I mean, do you have any reason to trust me?

Looking at the Fans Scouting Report, though, you definitely have a point about Jones' arm.

http://www.tangotiger.net/scouting/scoutResults2007_CHN.html

His "catching" abilities (instincts, first step, speed): 62, 66, 63

His "throwing" abilities (release, strength, accuracy): 32, 25, 6.

Yes, 6.  Ouch.

by Sky Kalkman on Nov 13, 2007 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another project for Andy VanSlyke
That's how I look at it.  If Jones has any deficiencies, you can be sure Andy will help rid him of them.  All of our outfielders only seem to get better under the tutelage of VanSlyke.

by densogirl on Nov 12, 2007 5:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If Andy Van Slyke can do that...
... set him out to cure cancer. There hasn't been a major league batting coach yet who could fix what was wrong with Jones.

Good luck to him, though.

by Al on Nov 12, 2007 7:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm fine with this trade, too
like Big Al wrote above, only time will tell. Since the All Star break he's batting a healthy 0.332. Although his power number are really declined, I hope he will bounce back in this category.

And, this deal can't get so worse than the last one with the cubs

by Germantiger on Nov 12, 2007 8:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I like this
The drop-off in homers for Jones does worry me a bit, but he'll be a viable option out there in left, and we definitely need a lefty left fielder more than a very average backup infielder. And as Billfer points out, it's not like we get stuck with a long-term contract.

My dad sent me an email predicting Jones would platoon with Thames in left. I hadn't heard about this deal yet, and I thought, "Todd?"

by Ben on Nov 12, 2007 8:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nice trade for depth...
Jones probably can't hold down LF full-time for a whole season, but he does have a decent platoon bat and provides some flexibility.

Is he the vaunted "Left-Handed Power Bat" that the Tigers have coveted since the beginning of time? No, but I'm not going to choke when I see JJ in the 7th spot in the lineup. The power loss is a concern, but his '07 season looks to me to be more of a sign of general declining power than a warning that a total outage is imminent.

Omar was on his way out of town, anyways. I thought he might be included in a package deal of some kind, but this trade gives us an acceptable return on his value.

by Brian8603 on Nov 12, 2007 10:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

From an "anti-Jones" Cub fan
Here are some of the things that you have to look forward to with Jones.
  1.  Baserunning mistakes.  Jones has speed, but makes up for that with getting doubled off and making other silly mistakes while on base.  Just watch, you'll see what I mean!
  2.  Poor defense.  Have you seen his great plays on the highlight reel?  Most of those plays should have been far more routine.  What you don't see is the three steps Jones took in the wrong direction on contact only to have to dive to save the routine catch.  
  3.  Average offense (at best).  That great second half is not the Jones you should expect.  Lets face it, the NL central is the worst division in baseball.  I highly doubt Jones will come anywhere close to his 2007 second half numbers against the tough pitching of the Twins and Indians.  There were times he would put together a pretty good at bat.  But at other times, he'd take three wild hacks at three awful pitches.
  4.  Poor attitude.  I'm sure many (Jones supporters)  would disagree with this, and you may as well.  However, Jones did quite a bit of complaining when things were not going his way.  Then, in the second half, he transformed into this annoying happy-go-lucky guy.  It was quite phony in my opinion.  He would get thrown out at first, and would return to the dugout with a big grin on his face.  I am not sure if this was an attempt to improve his image or not.  I don't know about you, but I want to see my teams players at least a little bit disgusted with themselves after grounding to short on a 3-0 pitch.  
Yes, as you can tell, I couldn't stand Jones.  I know that he has ability.  I know that he does (at times) try hard.  I just wouldn't expect too much from him.  He may drive in 70 or so runs for you (minus about 15-20 that he costs you on the bases and in the outfield).

I do, however, wish him and the Tigers the best (especially agains the White Sox).

 

by cubfan1984 on Nov 13, 2007 4:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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